Mega Thread Brett Ratten

[Madblue]

Re: Respect for brett ratten

I am consistent in my ops is all. Where are the posts by the spanners on here bagging Ratts, that praise him after we thumped Collingwood? Find me one from someone that has previously bagged him. There are plenty of well coached posts but none, repeat none from the agenda driven nongs on here (its always the coaches fault when we lose but never anything to do with him when we win according to them). Are you one of them?

I think Ratts is a great Carlton man who was a fantastic player for us and i have no doubt that his heart is in the right place and that he's doing his best however i'm not confident that he's the right man to take us to our next premiership. I hope i'm wrong though and he does take us to that 17th flag, time will tell i guess.

A huge game for all this weekend !!!

 

[pumped]

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I absolutely agree but how long must it take for the Carlton faithful to realise this guy is honest,hardworking and best of all bleeds Blue blood!

Agree with all you say here 100%. However these qualities do not necessarily make him a great head coach. Whilst I really hope he makes it I still wonder if his personality is more suited to being a great assistant coach.

 

[40yearBLUE]

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The premership team typically sets the trend in terms of game style and plan.

- Swans 2006 , man on man
- Hawks 2008 , midefield press
- Cats 2007/2009, down the guts lots of handball
- Pies 2010, fwd press

So what we all want is to see our coaching staff come up with something new and proactive.

I feel dirty even responding to your rubbish...... By the way Yarran says hi, he is over his disdain over being forced back onto the ground v Ess but says it was well reported by you.......yep anyway back to reality.......

The team that wins the gf does not set the trend in game style, the footy media does that by giving the style of the winning team a label. It wasnt anything up until the media label it, then all of a sudden its what people believe was there and what other teams are emulating. Just for the fun of it, how bout you tell us what style our 95 winning team was....anyone....anyone....Bueller.....crickets.

The hilarious thing is there are no such things as any of these styles mentioned, there are just 2 styles defensive or offensive and there are variations of the level of priority given to either or both. All the rest are just made up terms to make the media sound like they know what they are talking about (the same media I might add that have now had 7 different favourites to win the flag this year, Essendon being the latest, 2 articles this week extolling them and making the sheeple believe the media because they know), to give them something more to talk about (not because there isnt already enough for them to discuss but because there are now more footy correspondents than there are footballers) and to feed the chickens as JoBP (including a hand motion in front of the groin, use your imagination) used to put it, in other words a load of old coblers specifically designed for the audience in mind.

I saw a tv show once that took the piss out of advertising execs that went something along the lines of in order to keep selling more tooth brushes we got them to brush their teeth with a flexi head brush to fight bacteria, then we combined soft and hard bristles to fight plaque, then we got them to do this, then we got them to do that but I bet you cant get them to brush their tongue........then they showed a new add for an oral b brush with a serated top for brushing, yep you guessed it, the tongue.......footy terminology is a bit like that. Each one more silly than the last, I mean I even heard Malthouse talking about Roman legions.....oh yeah I get it, swords and shit.......please.

And now its all....we got em to beileve there was such a thing as a rolling zone, then we got them to believe there was such a thing as a press, what are they gonna get the people that are easily manipulated to believe next. I guess its whatever label they put on Ratts coaching style when he holds 17 up.

 

[40yearBLUE]

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Oh and one more thing, lets put this plan b bullshit to rest too shall we. No team has a successful plan b if they lose. If they had a successful plan b, they would not have lost would they. All coaches when their side is losing try different things, move players, etc. If it works and they get up they are a genius, if they dont work, they have no plan b. There is no plan b because there is no plan a. All teams have strategies to beat team a or team b, they have the appearance of a game style based on the type of players that predominate. We look like our game plan is fast break because we have quick players. West Coast looks like their plan revolves around talls all over the park because that is what they have........but this plan b bullshit......is just that. Bullshit.

 

[Sector 7G]

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Not sure why Ratten hasn't been able to develop a game plan that gets you four points when you kick at 50 % efficiency, drop 3 easy marks 20 m from goal, give way 2 ridiculous frees in front of goal, miss targets in the middle of the ground when you have split you opposition open, spoil your teammates taking chest marks. He has had 4 years after all.

 

[Malifice]

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Not sure why Ratten hasn't been able to develop a game plan that gets you four points when you kick at 50 % efficiency, drop 3 easy marks 20 m from goal, give way 2 ridiculous frees in front of goal, miss targets in the middle of the ground when you have split you opposition open, spoil your teammates taking chest marks. He has had 4 years after all.

I see what you did there.

 

[SBYM]

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Just for the fun of it, how bout you tell us what style our 95 winning team was....anyone....anyone....Bueller.....crickets.

Easy. Back six led by SOS and Sexton squeeze the shit out of opposition forwards, Harry dominates, feeding Diesel, Braddles and Ratts, who pump it in to Sticks, Pierce and the Duke. We kick a shitload of goals. Baggers by plenty.

 

[40yearBLUE]

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Easy. Back six led by SOS and Sexton squeeze the shit out of opposition forwards, Harry dominates, feeding Diesel, Braddles and Ratts, who pump it in to Sticks, Pierce and the Duke. We kick a shitload of goals. Baggers by plenty.

So we call it the squeeze?

Did Nth adopt the squeeze for 96 or Adelaide adopt that style for 97/98?

Ah no, the media had not yet hit upon the idea of giving teams silly game style names. What used to happen in the 90's is that the best team that year won. Thats all. But now that we have $billion rights deals we have to justify all that money spent with Jargon. It sure is catchy though.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

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Motivation won it in 1995.

A bunch of 30 year olds on their last chance who ****ed it sideways the year before. They had beaten the eventual winners WC by 14 goals a couple of weeks before the finals that year, and stuffed it up at Waverley aginst Geelong on that horrid, horrid day.

Parkin apparently let the team coach itself in 1995.

Gameplan my arse.

 

[40yearBLUE]

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Motivation won it in 1995.

A bunch of 30 year olds on their last chance who ****ed it sideways the year before. They had beaten the eventual winners WC by 14 goals a couple of weeks before the finals that year, and stuffed it up at Waverley aginst Geelong on that horrid, horrid day.

Parkin apparently let the team coach itself in 1995.

Gameplan my arse.

Pretty accurate summation. Speaks for itself really.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

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You kick a pumped up pigs arse through 2 lumps of wood more than the other lot and you win.

And that is that.

 

[SBYM]

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Ah no, the media had not yet hit upon the idea of giving teams silly game style names. What used to happen in the 90's is that the best team that year won. Thats all. But now that we have $billion rights deals we have to justify all that money spent with Jargon. It sure is catchy though.

I see where you're coming from. A great deal of the footy analysis available every day serves no purpose other than keeping people employed, but the voracious public appetite for it has turned it into a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy (in case you can't tell the tripe that often stands as 'expert analysis' is a bit of a bug-bear of mine).

However, I still think we can discern certain styles and tendencies in particular teams. Cwood hugging the boundary in recent years, the flood back in the day etc. They did and still do happen, so we can't completely dismiss them, but I agree with you that they are not the be-all-and-end-all of winning football matches.

 

[Malifice]

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You kick a pumped up pigs arse through 2 lumps of wood more than the other lot and you win.

And that is that.

Team meetings are short unter the Stig coaching regime.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

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Team meetings are short unter the Stig coaching regime.

That's why they keep score.

If they took out the goalposts we'd all be Einstein.

 

[Malifice]

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If they took out the goalposts we'd all be Einstein.

Dont tell Richo.

#skinnygoalpoststheory

 

[Sector 7G]

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Dont tell Richo.

#skinnygoalpoststheory

But he was still just as crap kick at goal in the days of short goal post. #richois acompleteidiot

 

[40yearBLUE]

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I see where you're coming from. A great deal of the footy analysis available every day serves no purpose other than keeping people employed, but the voracious public appetite for it has turned it into a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy (in case you can't tell the tripe that often stands as 'expert analysis' is a bit of a bug-bear of mine).

However, I still think we can discern certain styles and tendencies in particular teams. Cwood hugging the boundary in recent years, the flood back in the day etc. They did and still do happen, so we can't completely dismiss them, but I agree with you that they are not the be-all-and-end-all of winning football matches.

I have no doubt at all that different teams employ different tactics and often it revolves around the skill sets that reside in the personnel they have at the time.

Ultimately though, there are 2 ways to play our game and only 2. You are either an attacking prioritised side or a defensive prioritised side or somewhere in between. But having said that, much of the decision to be one or the other is dictated by the direction the game takes. For example Sydney played a low scoring defensive lock down style for much of the last decade. But if the opportunity from the first bounce opens for a tap to a running mid to a leading forward for goal and then it happens again and again and again, do they suddenly say to themselves, well we are not really an attacking team so we better not win the next tap and goal and had better revert to trend?

Same with the pies use of the boundary line. But this is not a "game plan". No team wins the ball in the centre then heads directly for the boundary line if they have control. They take the boundary line when they lose control, but if plan A was to keep control of the ball and it is inevitable that at times you would lose control of the ball then their plan is to use the boundary line as part of a plan to transition from back to forward. But if the boundary line is closed with opponents and the middle is open with loose players and no opponents then they take it, of course they do. So in effect they take the boundary because its the path of least danger. But again, this is not a game plan, it is a tactic and very much dependant on what else is happening on the ground at the time. Next week it all starts again and a completely different "game plan" may evolve from the way the game goes.

Third and final example is the loose man in defence or the new term for it "behind the ball" please. Again I have yet to see a team send the spare man directly to the back line, they drift there after the bounce. If they win control of the pill that player does not go back unless it is to take a player out of their forward line to keep it open, but they dont concede the ball use just so they can win it back in their own defensive half with their "man behind the ball".

I spurn even the use of the term game plan, it simply does not exist. In the 90's the term did not exist (but minus the term game plan the game still existed, how does that work? I guess there was no planning at all back then), from memory we used the term brand of football. As in "they play and exciting brand of football". But in reality, only teams that were winning were playing exciting brands, the rest not so much. And the teams that were winning had the best team. Go figure.

The plan is to win the contest, starting by winning the centre breaks, then by winning the contests around the ground and by winning on the scoreboard. All the rest, the jargon if you will, are just tactics for getting the job done, one way or another and something different for us all to talk about in between actual games.

 

[mediumsizered]

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You kick a pumped up pigs arse through 2 lumps of wood more than the other lot and you win.

And that is that.

Don't forget what comes before that. We've got the ball, they've got the ball, the ball is in dispute. It's not "rocket surgery."

 

[Stig O'Hara]

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Don't forget what comes before that. We've got the ball, they've got the ball, the ball is in dispute. It's not "rocket surgery."

They keep score for the end of the game.

Just to make sure.

Okey dokey.

 

[Big Red is back]

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Massive test today, everyone in the media knows what the blues need to do today:

Open up the stoppages, which is easy to do as you just send a few people into dangerous space away from the stoppages dragging their opponents with them

Stop overcommitting on the press and ensuring we don't get exposed on the counter attack.

Given we are a 5 goal better side we should win even if don't do these things, what I will be impressed with is can our box react to these two easy to fix weaknesses.

 

[ESKIE]

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Massive test today, everyone in the media knows what the blues need to do today:

Open up the stoppages, which is easy to do as you just send a few people into dangerous space away from the stoppages dragging their opponents with them

Stop overcommitting on the press and ensuring we don't get exposed on the counter attack.

Given we are a 5 goal better side we should win even if don't do these things, what I will be impressed with is can our box react to these two easy to fix weaknesses.

wow too easy

 

[Claypigeon]

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Massive test today, everyone in the media knows what the blues need to do today:

Open up the stoppages, which is easy to do as you just send a few people into dangerous space away from the stoppages dragging their opponents with them

Stop overcommitting on the press and ensuring we don't get exposed on the counter attack.

Given we are a 5 goal better side we should win even if don't do these things, what I will be impressed with is can our box react to these two easy to fix weaknesses.

You're assuming that Adelaide will copy the Saints/Dons game style and wont stick to the style that sees them in cracking form. .. If the opposition is that predictable then it is simple, however there are two coaches and adjustments are made by both. .. In the end if the players don't execute, you play badly. ..

 

[Jabba73]

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You kick a pumped up pigs arse through 2 lumps of wood more than the other lot and you win.

And that is that.

Good work screwing up the economy Numb3rs.

Now we will have 483,967 football "journalists" joining the Collingwood faithful at the local unemployment office and the little paper will be even smaller.

Sheesh, some people.

 

[Big Red is back]

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Guys it's time the vocal minority of posters read through the posts of our less one eyed supporters and you will see today was no surprise.

In summary we copied the pies 2010 game play by poaching there support staff, that game style is now obsolete.

Ratts and his crew are devoid of ideas, which is now culminating in not only a complete failure of an obsolete game plan but a complete loss of confidence.

We should be a top 2 side and on current form won't make the 8.

All is not lost, we have the players to win the flag but the game plan needs an urgent overhaul.

The definition of insanity is... Making the same mistake over and over again.

 

[Big Red is back]

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You're assuming that Adelaide will copy the Saints/Dons game style and wont stick to the style that sees them in cracking form. .. If the opposition is that predictable then it is simple, however there are two coaches and adjustments are made by both. .. In the end if the players don't execute, you play badly. ..

FYI crows players interviewed post game confirmed game plan was to copy saints.