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TheLoris said:
Surely anything above 30 in the draft is a bit of a lottery.
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If this is the case then we definietly were underpaid by the Gold Coast for a player who will step into their starting side for a few years to come.

As I said before, second round and on is where recruiting managers earn their salaries.
 
sabre_ac said:
If this is the case then we definietly were underpaid by the Gold Coast for a player who will step into their starting side for a few years to come.

As I said before, second round and on is where recruiting managers earn their salaries.
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Actually you are right and because I'm bored tonight I thought I'd check...from the team that beat Geelong we had the following:

Picked between 1 & 10 - 2 players (9% of the team)
Picked between 10 & 20 - 2 players (9% of the team)
Picked between 20 & 30 - 3 players (14% of the team)
Picked between 30 & 40 - 2 players (9% of the team)
Picked between 50 & 60 - 3 players (14% of the team - I included Mz here)
Picked PSD - 3 players (14% of the team)
Picked RD - 7 players (32% of the team)

So 68% of our side were picked up later than pick 30 .......it's getting late on a Friday night and I forget what I'm arguing but I think that our drafters have done well picking up talent late in the draft. So maybe they might be earning their keep after all?

But yeah.....Bond....terrible list manager.........burn the witch.....didn't trade buddy for pick 60......yada yada yada
 
TheLoris said:
Actually you are right and because I'm bored tonight I thought I'd check...from the team that beat Geelong we had the following:

Picked between 1 & 10 - 2 players (9% of the team)
Picked between 10 & 20 - 2 players (9% of the team)
Picked between 20 & 30 - 3 players (14% of the team)
Picked between 30 & 40 - 2 players (9% of the team)
Picked between 50 & 60 - 3 players (14% of the team - I included Mz here)
Picked PSD - 3 players (14% of the team)
Picked RD - 7 players (32% of the team)

So 68% of our side were picked up later than pick 30 .......it's getting late on a Friday night and I forget what I'm arguing but I think that our drafters have done well picking up talent late in the draft. So maybe they might be earning their keep after all?

But yeah.....Bond....terrible list manager.........burn the witch.....didn't trade buddy for pick 60......yada yada yada
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That's a good job for a Friday night.

The RD selections while we have done well are almost a win win senario, if you hit a good player well done and if you don't well your not going to be hung out to dry. PSD you could almost exclude as well because thats less about drafting and more about salary or contract on offer.

As mentioned our list is naturally going to be made up of players from later picks due to the compromised draft, trading philopsohy of prior management and position on the ladder, this doesnt strengthen your position either.

Any chance you can produce stats on the proportion of players taken pick 20-60 (The range I am talking about) that have established themselves in the side and who we could speculate will be part of the team in the next couple of years? That's where I am arguing guys like Bond earn their salary (Clearly a number of blunders before them will cost them their job as well). I'm happy to have a crack at it later in the weekend if need be.

Better yet how about we compare the drafting success of teams like Sydney, Adelaide, West Coast and Collingwood who consistently are strong or at the very least rarely bottom out.

I'm not saying Bond is a terrible list manager or to burn the witch, perhaps that is the late night getting to you after all. I'm saying that he's probably held in higher regard amongst the faithful than he should be on the back picks like Fyfe.
 
sabre_ac said:
Better yet how about we compare the drafting success of teams like Sydney, Adelaide, West Coast and Collingwood who consistently are strong or at the very least rarely bottom out.
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Sydney aren't a huge drafting success team. Everyone knows that, they rely on recycled players in trades or drafts.

Adelaide on the other hand have a high number of late or RD picks. 10 of their PF losing team were rookies. Then there are the later picks in Sloane, McKay, Otten and Tippett. There is Walker who was a NSW scholarship player and the trades of Jacobs and Thompson. The rest are first-second rounders (Douglas, Dangerfield, Smith, Van Berlo, Reilly). They have generally been a club that has relied on their RD picks and not their first rounders because their first rounders have generally stunk it up. Lately they have got better at drafting them, but compared to some of the other stars who come around them, they still are pretty average.
 

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Now we can only hope that Adelaide lose their first rounder and someone picks Jacobs to shuffle us up a couple of spots in the draft.......35 and 38 sound better than 37 and 40.[/quote]

With Essendon and Melb already committed to Father/son picks the shuffle is on

17 goes into 16

37 into 35

40 into 38

already starts looking better without jacobs, tippet etc being a distraction for others.
 
Gypsy tears said:
Now we can only hope that Adelaide lose their first rounder and someone picks Jacobs to shuffle us up a couple of spots in the draft.......35 and 38 sound better than 37 and 40.
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With Essendon and Melb already committed to Father/son picks the shuffle is on

17 goes into 16

37 into 35

40 into 38

already starts looking better without jacobs, tippet etc being a distraction for others.[/quote]

Who is this Jacobs fellow everyone is talking about?
 
rgauci said:
With Essendon and Melb already committed to Father/son picks the shuffle is on

17 goes into 16

37 into 35

40 into 38

already starts looking better without jacobs, tippet etc being a distraction for others.
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Who is this Jacobs fellow everyone is talking about?[/quote]


he's some young mid out of Port Adelaide that wanted to go to Nrth Melb, didn't happen during trade week and will probably put himself in the draft!!
 
sabre_ac said:
I used to agree with this, but of late I'm starting to think our drafting isn't ahead of the pack at all. Fyfe was a stroke of genuis granted.

But Pitt (20), Michie (44), Houghton (38), Crichton (48), Suban (24) not so much. Are we really that good at identifying young talent?

I realize we have done well in the Rookie drafts but does that cover for struggling in the middle rounds? It shouldn't.
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This is exactly what I have been saying for over a year now. Add those names to bollenhagen, Jordan wilsonking, ruffles (although I truly rated tim), the drafting of Anthony, faulks.... The list is long and unimpressive.... I think fyfe was a fluke, I've never rated morabito as a pick 4, and we haven't looked at our kpp stocks..... I like the way we have gone down the path of youth, for that he needs to be commended, but Lloyd and bond don't seem to be that good at identifying it. And when it comes to trading the word clueless is all that comes to mind
 
Moo said:
Most recruiting in the late rounds is generally unimpressive
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That I true, but I want to know why every other team has a success story ala drew Petrie... I know we have had some reasonable success with the rookie list, but we just don't seem to get anything really of value past the second round

Which is why I'm so upset about broughton for pick37.... History shows that the pick will be worthless for us
 

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Man, some people here are just hopeless. We're at the most organised and effective part of our history and because we didn't fight GC for a pick they didn't have, then the rest of our list and its administration is shit. **** me dead.
 
Said by Shane on DL:

What were the horrendous drafting decisions we were legendary for? Pav? Hasleby? Longmuir?

The bloke who picked them, and Ballantyne, Fyfe and Hill, was moved on by Bond for the bloke who picked Pitt.
 
Kickett Punches Read said:
That I true, but I want to know why every other team has a success story ala drew Petrie... I know we have had some reasonable success with the rookie list, but we just don't seem to get anything really of value past the second round

Which is why I'm so upset about broughton for pick37.... History shows that the pick will be worthless for us
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I don't get this comment when TheLoris in this post:
TheLoris said:
Actually you are right and because I'm bored tonight I thought I'd check...from the team that beat Geelong we had the following:
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has highlighted that we had 23% of our team from the final from picks after the 2nd round (and before the RD and PSD). What percentage of the team should be coming from the 3rd round on?

If anything, it highlights how poor we have been with our first round picks (or lack thereof) over the last 10 years.
 

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You dont mind 3rd round picks being speculative, the Drum, Hinkely, picks are the ones who should be in their prime now. At least we
got Ballentyne over Swift.
Not giving Lee a chance as a rookie, then watching his value skyrocket hurts too.
 

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