Bryce Gibbs for Andy Otten and Patrick Dangerfield ???

[Sin City]

He now goes for Brisbane lol as Being Idle how obvious is that on bay 13.I wonder if he changes to the other team also.

How can you go from Geelong to Carlton to Brisbane now and then to Gold Coast probably next.

It's not him champ, it's someone setting him up, probably Axel or some other boring prick.

 

[jarmanagic]

Doesn't say much for your team, does it.
We won by 8 goals yesterday after dropping Waite and Thornton, missing Bower, and two players that had a total of 3 games under their belts. Carlton may not be the best side in the AFL, but on your performance yesterday, the Crows could very well be the worst.

agreed. I think we might be better than Richmond curently but that would be it

Don't get me wrong, Carlton did a great job yesterday, A Grade midfield and very good small forwards. Still the last time we played about 7 real matched ago we won by 50 points. I'd say the vast bulk of that change is our decline

 

[Blues_Man]

agreed. I think we might be better than Richmond curently but that would be it

Don't get me wrong, Carlton did a great job yesterday, A Grade midfield and very good small forwards. Still the last time we played about 7 real matched ago we won by 50 points. I'd say the vast bulk of that change is our decline

Carlton certainly made your lot look like rabble ..so i would suggest it's 50/50 whether the cows have declined and the Blues have improved.

Whatever the reason i would take our list over that of the Crows right at this moment.

 

[jarmanagic]

Carlton certainly made your lot look like rabble ..so i would suggest it's 50/50 whether the cows have declined and the Blues have improved.

Whatever the reason i would take our list over that of the Crows right at this moment.

look I'm on the wrong board to argue this but I'm not sure about the list thing. Our list is pretty good imo just way down on form, confidence and fitness but mainly the first two. We did have about 7 first choice players out also. We are way better than we showed yesterday (we'd need to be) so everyone just needs to stop writing us into 5 year downward spirals. Confidence and form come and go

However you are only as good as your last game and that makes us rubbish and Carlton pretty good right now. You guys did lose to Essendon 7 days ago don't forget

 

[Dramoth]

Does it smell less like stale guiness and leprechauns?

Something like that really... smells of fresh guinness and fresh baked bread

 

[qldbluesman_43]

Just curious, why does port never turn up in discussion?

Also if this happened Adelaide would not give up Dangerfield and otten. Maybe a deal like Gibbs + 2nd round for Dangerfield + Otten. But clubs get attached to their players. Overrate them. Adelaide would never give up two of their best youngsters. Unless they were both absolutely set on returning to Vic.

 

[James23]

Why would Gibbs want to go to a club that has a list like the Crows do now?

Excuse me? Please explain, how Carltons list is in any better shape than Adelaides?

We have 5 over 30 players, yes.. take them out and i doubt we'd be performing any differently

We have an abundance of young talent, at the moment.. half the squad is underdone, and hence failing

 

[mediumsizered]

Excuse me? Please explain, how Carltons list is in any better shape than Adelaides?

We have 5 over 30 players, yes.. take them out and i doubt we'd be performing any differently
We have an abundance of young talent, at the moment.. half the squad is underdone, and hence failing

Unfortunately 1 of those players aged over 30 was your best player yesterday & another one was your best forward option, although struggled to find the big sticks. Take those 2 out, plus the ever reliable Edwards & it would have looked a lot uglier.

In answer to your question, our best players, outside of Judd, are all heading towards the best years of their career i.e. the 24-29 age group (Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer, Bower, Jamison, Russell, Walker, Betts plus some handy youngsters like Yarran, Hendo, Lucas) whereas the Crows best talent would seem to lie at the older end of the list. Therein lies the difference between the 2 teams' playing lists.

 

[SpaceCow]

Just curious, why does port never turn up in discussion?

Also if this happened Adelaide would not give up Dangerfield and otten. Maybe a deal like Gibbs + 2nd round for Dangerfield + Otten. But clubs get attached to their players. Overrate them. Adelaide would never give up two of their best youngsters. Unless they were both absolutely set on returning to Vic.

That's actually a very good question and I wouldn't mind knowing the answer to it.

 

[James23]

Unfortunately 1 of those players aged over 30 was your best player yesterday & another one was your best forward option, although struggled to find the big sticks. Take those 2 out, plus the ever reliable Edwards & it would have looked a lot uglier.

In answer to your question, our best players, outside of Judd, are all heading towards the best years of their career i.e. the 24-29 age group (Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer, Bower, Jamison, Russell, Walker, Betts plus some handy youngsters like Yarran, Hendo, Lucas) whereas the Crows best talent would seem to lie at the older end of the list. Therein lies the difference between

1. Edwards was terrible on the weekend.
2. Burton was terrible.. 1.7, our most promising forward (Taylor Walker) was being played on the wing, for reasons unknown. Our other most promising forward (Kurt Tippett) has knee tendonitis and is hence playing terrible

I rate Dangerfield, Walker, Tippett, Otten, Mackay, Vince as up there with the best young talent in the league, and i definetely wouldnt trade it for any other list out there.. but each to their own i guess. Good luck to you guys you do have some great talent coming through, but until you find some gun key forwards and backs, you may struggle to push past mediocrity

 

[parrot]

...I rate Dangerfield, Walker, Tippett, Otten, Mackay, Vince as up there with the best young talent in the league, and i definetely wouldnt....

Well you're seriously deluded then. They're a long way off it. Even that SA Port side have a lot more talent than the Crows. Crows are in a bit of a Richmond situation, with lots of oldies (5, 30+ year olds) clogging your list who are past their used by date. You didn't renew your list and are now paying the price. Not sure if you're aware, but many teams are learning how to combat ultraflooding, so your coach is going to have to come up with a new plan. The question is does he have the list talent to be able to execute a non-defensive gameplan. I don't think he does. Your midfield is bland, and lacks leg speed and class. That was obvious on Saturday.

 

[Sin City]

Excuse me? Please explain, how Carltons list is in any better shape than Adelaides?

Ladder position, wins and age on our side are a good start.

 

[Jeremias]

 

[HBF]

Ladder position, wins and age on our side are a good start.

And add to that a gameplan that is well and truly past it's used by date. Playing the doggies at Etihad Stadium next week, and you'll be 0-5. Wow, you're as bad as Richmond, and you even get a more significant home ground advantage than the Tigers, so you could argue that the Crows are worse off than Richmond.

 

[mediumsizered]

Ladder position, wins and age on our side are a good start.

You would think if you put a team on the park, which is on average 2 years older than your opposition & has over 800 games more experience, that you would come out with a comfortable win, but no, quite the opposite happened.

I get a little amused about the way some people talk up Bernie Vince. He had a handy season last year, but realistically, he is just an accumulator in the fashion of a Priddis or even a Prismall. He had 31 disposals yesterday, yet he had virtually no impact on the game at all. All of Walker, Murphy & Judd had a significant impact on the game & I would go as far as suggesting that even Kane Lucas had a greater impact than Vince.

As I pointed out before, the Crows most dangerous forward yesterday was the soon to be 32 year old, Bret Burton, who was playing on a first gamer. A first gamer that ultimately came out on top of Burton, given his more effective use of the ball.

You take out the input from McLeod, Edwards (25 disposals) & Burton & the final result would have been a lot uglier yesterday.

 

[Silvagnis]

I rate Dangerfield, Walker, Tippett, Otten, Mackay, Vince as up there with the best young talent in the league, and i definetely wouldnt trade it for any other list out there.. but each to their own i guess. Good luck to you guys you do have some great talent coming through, but until you find some gun key forwards and backs, you may struggle to push past mediocrity

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[jarmanagic]

You would think if you put a team on the park, which is on average 2 years older than your opposition & has over 800 games more experience, that you would come out with a comfortable win, but no, quite the opposite happened.

I get a little amused about the way some people talk up Bernie Vince. He had a handy season last year, but realistically, he is just an accumulator in the fashion of a Priddis or even a Prismall. He had 31 disposals yesterday, yet he had virtually no impact on the game at all. All of Walker, Murphy & Judd had a significant impact on the game & I would go as far as suggesting that even Kane Lucas had a greater impact than Vince.

As I pointed out before, the Crows most dangerous forward yesterday was the soon to be 32 year old, Bret Burton, who was playing on a first gamer. A first gamer that ultimately came out on top of Burton, given his more effective use of the ball.

You take out the input from McLeod, Edwards (25 disposals) & Burton & the final result would have been a lot uglier yesterday.

Easy to bash us currently as results govern all and we are 0-4, but stop giving kneejerk reactions to our players based on minimal viewing. Dangerfield can't kick because he shanked one? Vince is just an accumulator? Might have been Sat but he is absolutely not, he is a hard ball winning long kicking class footballer. Check the tape of Adelaide v Carlton Etihad last year if you don't believe me, 3 votes B Vince BM

We'll go away, lick our wounds and be back. We are always written off as gone but like Sydney we return. Do you? we've finished ahead of you on the ladder last 8 years you know. Worry about your own deficiences, suprisingly plentiful too given the years of high draft picks

 

[HBF]

Who cares what you have done over the past 8 years. Over that same period, we have both won the same amount of flags - NONE. Ladder position is irrelevant when you can't win finals. You guys had Collingwood on toast in the finals last year, and went to water after half time.

 

[Sin City]

It's pretty sad when you out-choke Collingwood in finals.

 

[jarmanagic]

Who cares what you have done over the past 8 years. Over that same period, we have both won the same amount of flags - NONE. Ladder position is irrelevant when you can't win finals. You guys had Collingwood on toast in the finals last year, and went to water after half time.

2 quick points

1. This attitude of if you didn't win a flag it all doesn't matter is just rubbish. AFL is about entertainment. If you get deep into finals contention the whole year has meaning until you are knocked out. This most dissapointing thing about our 2010 year is we face a year where we can't make finals therefore results don't matter i.e. Carlton 2002-8. I guarantee I enjoyed those years more than you did.

2. If it is only about flags we've won twice as many in the AFL as you over our time in the comp anyway

 

[Silvagnis]

2007 National Draft

Round 	Pick 	Player 	Recruited from 	Club
[B]1 	10 	Patrick Dangerfield 	Geelong Falcons 	Adelaide[/B]
1 	11 	Patrick Veszpremi 	Northern Knights 	Sydney
[B]1 	12 	Cyril Rioli 	St Marys/Scotch College 	Hawthorn[/B]

At least Rendell got the Phil Davis pick right.

 

[thylacine60]

2 quick points

1. This attitude of if you didn't win a flag it all doesn't matter is just rubbish. AFL is about entertainment. If you get deep into finals contention the whole year has meaning until you are knocked out. This most dissapointing thing about our 2010 year is we face a year where we can't make finals therefore results don't matter i.e. Carlton 2002-8. I guarantee I enjoyed those years more than you did.

2. If it is only about flags we've won twice as many in the AFL as you over our time in the comp anyway

Look what you've been reduced to.

 

[Salaryman]

Dangerfield can't kick because he shanked one?

Not too sure if you saw that much of his footy prior to being drafted, but I can tell you his kicking was pretty hit or miss....I wouldn't have called it one of his relative strengths.

Sin City was right

 

[parrot]

2 quick points

1. This attitude of if you didn't win a flag it all doesn't .....

Flags are the ONLY measure of success at Carlton. It's always been that way. That's why we're the most successful Club in the competition with 16 flags. Celebrating H&A ladder finishes is for losers e.g Failurewood (1 flag in 52 years), StKilda (1 flag and 28 spoons).

 

[fryingpan]

Who cares what you have done over the past 8 years. Over that same period, we have both won the same amount of flags - NONE. Ladder position is irrelevant when you can't win finals. You guys had Collingwood on toast in the finals last year, and went to water after half time.

Hahah of course! We've finished higher than you in EVERY season for almost a decade, but who cares? Because right now, in round 4, you have 2 wins more than us, and that's all that matters. Yep great theory, you must be better.

Don't forget, this is the same squad that belted your boys to the tune for 12 goals late last year. We're injured, underdone and down on confidence, it's not hard to beat us at the moment. It's our first down period for a long time and it's pretty easy to sink the boots in isn't it? Once we get our rhythm back I would'nt be surprised if we finished higher on the ladder than you.