Can a player refuse to go to a club after being drafted by them?

[Spook]

Embers brings this up because the change to the F/S system for West Coast makes them both illeligable when they were previously eligable

Cheers...I didn't realise that they fell out due to the rule change.....One thing the WCE have done very well in the past is trade their '5th/6th' midfielder for a high draft pick....did it for Banners ( I think it was Matt Clape) and of course Judd....and I think for Gardnier as well.
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. and they have got the cattle to trade.....For example, just think that Rowan Jones couldn;t get a game for most of last year....I recon another club would give up their first pick fo him

 

[inferno66]

I dont think the changed F/S rules affect the Mortons. I think both of them can still be picked up by West Coast under the F/S rule

 

[MeeSo]

You can refuse to go but according to the rules you are out of football for 2 years.

He can just do a Watts and play for 2 years and ask to be traded back to SA, wouldn't be the first player that asked to go home. Might aswell get paid for a couple of development years as a first round pick.

It will cost the SA clubs a lot if he wants to go home. Maybe too much.

 

[Tas]

It will cost the SA clubs a lot if he wants to go home. Maybe too much.

Not really, you make a trade or he goes back in the draft. You either get nothing or take something reasonable like a few picks. Would you give up a round 1 draft for nothing or take the best deal you could?

Crows would have to pay something reasonable but not excessive, if the player is going regardless then your bargaining options are limited. Is another club going to pick him up as a first round pick only to have someone not interested being there and not going to accept a trade anywhere else? It would be a waste of an early pick if his heart wasn't in playing where he wanted to be.

 

[Underdog]

I dont think the changed F/S rules affect the Mortons. I think both of them can still be picked up by West Coast under the F/S rule

I dont see why there would be an outrage by West Coast fans (and even fans from other clubs) if it didnt affect them given we only have 1/2 years left on the contract

 

[8 ball]

It's going back aways but I recall Peter Mann and Tim Watson being drafted by the Eagles in 92 and refusing to play for them.

Watson was a speculative draft, but after sitting out the year the Bombers redrafted him.

Mann was drafted but refused to play for the Eagles and ended up going to North Melbourne.

Sitting out is a risky tactic though. For a young up and comer you might miss your only chance to play AFL so you'd want to be confident.

 

[JuddyisGod]

yep. Tom Wilday did it last year. And he still picked himself in dream team haha.

 

[Crow2005]

Lets assume Bryce Gibbs says he refuses to play for any other club but Adelaide and Hawks take a risk and pick him up

Can he stay home refuse to go and be picked up the next year in the PSD or something by the Crows....?, Could he refuse to go, be delisted next year re enter the draft then go to the Crows??, anyone know

I dont know ?

But I remember Nathan Buckey wanting to go from Port Adelaide to Collingwood and couldnt because Brisbane took him. However he was on a short contract or something and Brisbane traded him or something ? Buckley got what he wanted in the end. If South Aussies wanted to stay here and not go interstate and we got back all south aussie that were homesick we would have at leasty 3 maybe 4 afl teams namely norwood mainly and maybe another but it wont happen.... and they allowed afl on adelaide oval then yeah but i am going of track here any way yeah B Gibbs if he wanted to come back in any way shape of form could if he wanted to somehow and in my opinion all south aussies should come back and be loyal to south austrailia forcing the AFL to accomodate us ! we are a main footy state with a population slightly larger than one third the size of melbourne who has 10 teams plus geelong so yeah 3 teams is very possible ! we could support Adelaide Crows, Port Power and Norwood ? Norwood was supposed to be reviewed in 2006 havent heard a thing about it since it was promised about 10 years ago

 

[theGav56]

Just a thought; maybe the Eagles should trade to get a draft pick high enough to pick the Mortons at what they think their draft value is?

In the end this is just about trying to get high trade picks for a better value. Morton has nothing to do with the Eagles except for an arbitrary Father and Son rule, and the Eagles are licking their lips at the prospect of getting a (eg) top 10 pick for a third round selection. They jagged it with Mitch, and looks like they miss out on the others.

I agree with an evening up of the draft system simply for fairness regarding F/S and the younger clubs, but the moral high ground is a bit rich.

 

[medusala]

back in the day i think several adelaide players did it..
both of the jarmans were drafted,
darren to melbourne and brisbane -never went to either
andrew to to brisbane- never went,
chris mcdermott to brisbane- never went
simon tregenza to footscray- never went
darren mead to essendon- never went
david pittman to essendon- never went
rod jameson to north-never went
although it might have been something to do with being under contract or the talk of the adelaide crows

Robran sat out of football for a year rather than stay at Hawthorn. Allegations were around at the time that Adelaide were looking after him in his year off.

 

[gytre]

back in the day i think several adelaide players did it..
both of the jarmans were drafted,
darren to melbourne and brisbane -never went to either
andrew to to brisbane- never went,
chris mcdermott to brisbane- never went
simon tregenza to footscray- never went
darren mead to essendon- never went
david pittman to essendon- never went
rod jameson to north-never went
although it might have been something to do with being under contract or the talk of the adelaide crows

No, that was back in about 1989, before the Crows ever existed. In those days the SANFL had a Player Retention Scheme in place, whereby some of the top SANFL players were paid extra to stay in SA and keep the SANFL a strong competition.

Also, bear in mind that there was less money in being a draftee in those days, so less incentive to go to Victoria to play. Many of the young SA players you listed preferred to stay home and develop there instead.

and brett chalmers got done for didling it when richmond took him and he sat it out trying to get to collingwood

Correction. It was the Adelaide Crows who drafted Chalmers, but he wanted to play for Collingwood. If I recall correctly Chalmers took the matter to court, but lost and he ended up playing a few games for the Crows.

 

[Jarka]

Lets assume Bryce Gibbs says he refuses to play for any other club but Adelaide and Hawks take a risk and pick him up

Can he stay home refuse to go and be picked up the next year in the PSD or something by the Crows....?, Could he refuse to go, be delisted next year re enter the draft then go to the Crows??, anyone know

It has happened before, Melbourne drafted Jarman before he played with the Hawks but he wasn't interested in coming to Victoria at that stage (or we were too much of a rabble at the time which is probably closer to the truth).

Edit - Just noted that this has already been mentioned....

 

[Portia]

I believe that, regardless of if you move over or sign with them, the drafting club has a hold over you for two years.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

I know for fact howver both Cale and Jarryd Morton are prepared to sit out a AFL year to get to the Eagles..... Interesting to see how that one pans out

never heard so much rubbish in my life... even if they sat out a year what happens the next year???

unless the WC come last they have no choice...

kids dont think like that...
they want to play football... thats it...

 

[Chewy]

I know for fact howver both Cale and Jarryd Morton are prepared to sit out a AFL year to get to the Eagles..... Interesting to see how that one pans out

It's not as if they'd sit out 1 year, then automatically become Eagles. They'd still have to be drafted by the Eagles. So after sitting out for a whole year, then nominating for the draft again and again they are drafted by an east coast club, what do they do then ? Sit out another year ?

They'd want to be fricken champions to fall 2 years behind in development and still think it won't set their careers back in any shape or form.

Anyway, I always have a chuckle at the budding "superstars" that try and tamper with the drafting process. Most of them turn out to be be overrated duds.

Jason McCartney.
Brett Chalmers
James Davies
etc

 

[iameviljez]

The player who really changed all this was one who I'm surprised wasn't mentioned here; Nathan Buckley.

Back in 1993, the AFL and Brisbane decided to get tough on players rorting the spirit of the draft and refusing to go to certain clubs for want of prestige or success. Robert Pyman (North) and, I believe, Andy McKay (Carlton) both put prices on their heads to stop poorer clubs from drafting them and both were penalised. However, the big issue that year was Buckley.

Buckley was, without a doubt, the best youngster outside of the AFL bar none. He never wanted to go to Brisbane; he looked as though he was going to do a Jarman and sit it out till a better club came along, but the AFL put their foot down as did the then-Bears and so Buckley was a Bear, ableit only for a year. Buckley had a brilliant season as a Bear and then moved to Collingwood the very next year for premiership success. I am loath to really get stuck into someone who's not here, but I think there's a fair measure of irony in the fact that someone like Voss, who bled loyalty from day one, has three medals, whilst Buckley, who moved for flags, will most likely retire with none.

 

[Dixie Flatline]

yep. Tom Wilday did it last year. And he still picked himself in dream team haha.

Yep, the Hawks drafted him, but he refused to leave Perth.

 

[coasting]

I believe that, regardless of if you move over or sign with them, the drafting club has a hold over you for two years.

Well that must be relatively new because there were a number of players who were drafted by one club, sat out for a year, and then re-entered the draft to be drafted by another club EG Tim Watson.

 

[gandaal]

mate don't forget i did put a at the end there.

You guys were just the only ones to get caught. That's clearly known by those in the know or anyone who doesn't have their head buried in the sand.

Actually we weren't. Essendon been caugh numerous times, Melbourne even lost some draft picks one year and there's been a few others.

We were the only club the AFL tried to kill.

 

[swanniez1983]

Anthony Rocca did I believe, but this isn't really an issue with Gibbs because he's stated on the record that he'll play anywhere with any club to get a chance to play AFL.

This whole thing has nothing to do with Gibbs personally, its just Adelaide trying to cheat the draft system.

I would be VERY careful saying the word CHEAT when you follow the Blues..

 

[gandaal]

I would be VERY careful saying the word CHEAT when you follow the Blues..

At least my team isn't a disgrace.

 

[swanniez1983]

At least my team isn't a disgrace.

at least my team doesn't wear blue....i mean come on, if your going to make a comeback statement, make it worth while

 

[DST]

Well that must be relatively new because there were a number of players who were drafted by one club, sat out for a year, and then re-entered the draft to be drafted by another club EG Tim Watson.

It changed when the AFL moved to 2 year minimum contracts for all drafted players to give the young guys some sort of sureity if they were moving interstate.

So yes they would need to sit out of football (and that means all levels) for the full 2 years.

DST

 

[gandaal]

at least my team doesn't wear blue....i mean come on, if your going to make a comeback statement, make it worth while

No the Swans just wear a jumper that wouldn't look out of place in the Sydney Gay Mardi Gras parade.

 

[Jarka]

Actually we weren't. Essendon been caugh numerous times, Melbourne even lost some draft picks one year and there's been a few others.

We were the only club the AFL tried to kill.

The difference between Melbourne and Carlton was that we told the AFL that we did it, the Blues were discovered when one of your ex-players gave you up because he thought he was being shafted by the blues.

Hence why the AFL went harder at you than us, however we did lose a 1st round draft pick and at least 1 second round pick as well.