Good post.
Even with the best planning and systems implemented, premierships are elusive. All teams can reasonably do is put themselves in the best position for a crack at it.
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Can Hawthorn succeed while ignoring the elite end of the draft? - Part 2
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Even with the best planning and systems implemented, premierships are elusive. All teams can reasonably do is put themselves in the best position for a crack at it.
You've mentioned Ben Brown being on Clarksons radar a number of times. Don't know about anyone else, but I've not heard this from any other source/commentator
Suggests a light serving of BS though happy for you to back up your rumour
For the record, I've seen 8 Carlton premierships, there are plenty of Blues fans who have witnessed success.
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This wasnt directed at you.
I dare say you dont post ridiculous crap to the same level as some, who are so used to not winning that they gain more joy from others not winning than they do from their own wins (primarily because they are few and far between).
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All the hallmarks of an impatient Carlton supporter.
If they can just bring in roughie, buddy and Lewis next time they have 3 picks in the top 7 it might turn out all right.
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Cyril at pick 12 and birchall at pick 14 also turned out ok...
Ive heard this from a close friend of mine who is a player manager. I couldn’t care less about making up a rumour about it. It does make sense the way Clarko operates. He wants quick fixes and willing to give up valuable draft picks in doing so.
Hodge at 1 as well. But just pointing out Hawks success was built entirely on the draft
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Maybe but give Mitchell time to get over his injury, it's not something you'll come back in 5 weeks and be fine, might take a year
At his best pre-injury, he still wasn't the player I described, he's not going to become that line breaking, goal kicking, inside 50 midfielder.
Anyway it's not meant to criticise how great he is at what he does, just that every player has relative strengths and weaknesses to others, and Mitchell is no exception.
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Nothing wrong with that sort of player in fact it's the area Hawthorn have gone backwards this year- getting the ball out of the middle...what were the clearance numbers yesterday? They were abysmal because Mitchell can't spend long periods in there yet.
What Hawthorn need is some speed because JOM aside they are turtle paced in the midfield.
Strange comment
Hawthorn have won 4 flags since Carlton's last in 1995.
While Hawthorn have 13 Flags Carlton have won 8 in the same period
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It was more a comment on the maturity of some posters. And how they give away their age (or mental age).
Mocking a team and supporters of that team despite their team having been a basket case for 15 years is beyond ridiculous.
Yet, about right for BF.
The pick for Hodge was acquired via trade. So even that technically isn’t entirely on the draft given without the trade they don’t enter the draft until no.16 (Rick Ladson)
Interesting
If true, wonder how Jon Patton be thinking
Patton will have his contract and not likely to be renewed.
Even the renowned Hawthorn fitness staff can't change the turning circle of the Queen Mary.
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Clarko is now just delusional and in denial.
Same with his supporters.
Just heard david king say it's too soon for clarko to play the kids because they are "still charging".
% of 78 is evidence enough. They are cooked.
Same with his supporters.
Just heard david king say it's too soon for clarko to play the kids because they are "still charging".
% of 78 is evidence enough. They are cooked.
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I don't think the system allows you to bring in enough elite talent without bottoming out. We drafted elite talent then topped up, Tigers did the same.
We have brought in some very good players in the last couple of years but they're not as good as the champions who have departed.
We have brought in some very good players in the last couple of years but they're not as good as the champions who have departed.
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Clarko has been blown by media and hawko supporters too long and is now not angry dwarf but ARROGANT dwarf too.
Thinks he's so good at coaching he can get Ty Zantuck to a premiership, as if! All because steward due (aka The Human Doughnut) won a flag for him in 2007?
Hawks gone from pinching all australian stars like james frawley to potatos like sam frost. Their recruiting is like when mum can't do the groceries, dad goes instead and if he sees weetbix on special he comes home with 5 boxes even though everyone in the house thinks weetbix is shit, ie: why recruit " RUNNING MAN!" tommy scully when your gameplan is to stand still and play kick to kick? they don't need tom scully. they need someone who is not a total ****ing squib. Some skills wouldn't hurt too.
Madness to think they were close to a flag after going out (straight sets!) in 2018 finals. So they top up with showponies (Chud Wingehard) and "fixeruperers" in Spud O'merea, "GENERAL!" Patton, Scully, Sam Frost, and some other crap players no one else wanted, all to complement a bunch of soon-to-be-retirees like "Burgers" burgone (solid 10 possies yesterday!) and puppola puppola. Don't get me wrong, I think chud is nice (cream!) but even then they overpaid- how is that even possible? Losing trades to Port Adelaide..? They took Timmy Toumpas and ****ing Jack Watts from Melbourne for gods sake!
On-field leadership is "bucket of shit", Pinchy Stratton wouldn't be best 22 at any club in the AFL right now.
Development rubbish. I remember when Dingley was sprouting superstars like Hodge, Sam Mitchell, Lance Franklin and J Roughead all over the park. Now their best talent is some flog named "Worpedo"(?), won the Rising Star award and now the only thing he is in contention for is the Mr. Invisible "can't see him because he's not doing shit" award for being invisible.
(also just for completeness sake hawthorn are old and their list management is shit)
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Thinks he's so good at coaching he can get Ty Zantuck to a premiership, as if! All because steward due (aka The Human Doughnut) won a flag for him in 2007?
Hawks gone from pinching all australian stars like james frawley to potatos like sam frost. Their recruiting is like when mum can't do the groceries, dad goes instead and if he sees weetbix on special he comes home with 5 boxes even though everyone in the house thinks weetbix is shit, ie: why recruit " RUNNING MAN!" tommy scully when your gameplan is to stand still and play kick to kick? they don't need tom scully. they need someone who is not a total ****ing squib. Some skills wouldn't hurt too.
Madness to think they were close to a flag after going out (straight sets!) in 2018 finals. So they top up with showponies (Chud Wingehard) and "fixeruperers" in Spud O'merea, "GENERAL!" Patton, Scully, Sam Frost, and some other crap players no one else wanted, all to complement a bunch of soon-to-be-retirees like "Burgers" burgone (solid 10 possies yesterday!) and puppola puppola. Don't get me wrong, I think chud is nice (cream!) but even then they overpaid- how is that even possible? Losing trades to Port Adelaide..? They took Timmy Toumpas and ****ing Jack Watts from Melbourne for gods sake!
On-field leadership is "bucket of shit", Pinchy Stratton wouldn't be best 22 at any club in the AFL right now.
Development rubbish. I remember when Dingley was sprouting superstars like Hodge, Sam Mitchell, Lance Franklin and J Roughead all over the park. Now their best talent is some flog named "Worpedo"(?), won the Rising Star award and now the only thing he is in contention for is the Mr. Invisible "can't see him because he's not doing shit" award for being invisible.
(also just for completeness sake hawthorn are old and their list management is shit)
Go the Dees!
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It's an odd thing to say about a premiership team with the fewest players acquired via the National Draft than any other premier of the past 15 years.
Recruited from other clubs + Upgraded rookies
11 - 2014 Hawks: Burgoyne, Gibson, Lake, Gunston, McEvoy, Hale, Spangher, Breust, Puopolo, Suckling, Langford
10 - 2015 Hawks: Burgoyne, Gibson, Lake, Gunston, McEvoy, Hale, Frawley, Breust, Puopolo, Suckling
10 - 2013 Hawks: Burgoyne, Gibson, Lake, Gunston, Hale, Guerra, Simpkin, Breust, Puopolo, Sewell
10 - 2005 Swans: Hall, Schneider, Williams, Davis, Jolly, Ball, Bolton, Kirk, Bevan, Kennelly
10 - 2012 Swans: Kennedy, Shaw, Richards, Mattner, Mumford, Morton, Jack, Grundy, Smith, Pyke
10 - 2019 Tigers: Prestia, Houli, Caddy, Nankervis, Lynch, Lambert, Castagna, Soldo, Baker, Pickett
9 - 2010 Magpies: Ball, Jolly, L.Brown, Maxwell, Toovey, Lumumba, Wellingham, Blair, Macaffer
8 - 2017 Tigers: Prestia, Houli, Caddy, Nankervis, Grigg, Lambert, Castagna, Townsend
8 - 2008 Hawks - Croad, Dew, Guerra, Gilham, Sewell, Osborne, Campbell, Young
7 - 2018 Eagles: Kennedy, Yeo, Jetta, Redden, Cripps, Vardy, McGovern
7 - 2006 Eagles - Chick, Stenglein, Armstrong, Cox, Fletcher, Lynch, B.Jones
7 - 2016 Doggies: T.Boyd, M.Boyd, Morris, Picken, Johanissen, Dahlhaus, Biggs
5 - 2009 Cats: Ottens, Harley, Mooney, Rooke, Byrnes
5 - 2007 Cats: Ottens, Harley, Mooney, Rooke, Byrnes
1 - 2011 Cats: Ottens
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