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Levelling your self….can’t go all in…nice wordsI beg to differ and think he'll play 0 finals.
Laughable.
He's 29 this year and prone to soft tissue injuries since he's gotten to Hawthorn ( body now getting older), hasn't played a full AFL season since 2015 and you dead set think he'll play to 33-34?
It's not the physical impact injuries that's the problem, it's the soft tissue ones that is occurring each year.Wingard's not a big guy and doesn't play a physical role so playing until 33/34 isn't out of the question. The issue is more what level he plays to. He should be in his prime now but hasn't played at 2014-16 levels since 2014-16.
Idk about that, he was pretty hecking good at stages last year. Averaged 30 and almost 2 goals a game at one stage i'd put money on it (late in the year) his first game back against Geelong he was very good and his game against North he was everywhere. He averaged a little over 20 touches while kicking more than a goal a game and his score involvements, goal assists were through the roof. His tackling is a very underrated piece of his game too. Only thing that is missing is the MOTY.Wingard's not a big guy and doesn't play a physical role so playing until 33/34 isn't out of the question. The issue is more what level he plays to. He should be in his prime now but hasn't played at 2014-16 levels since 2014-16.
Idk about that, he was pretty f*n good at stages last year. Averaged 30 and almost 2 goals a game at one stage i'd put money on it (late in the year) his first game back against Geelong he was very good and his game against North he was everywhere. He averaged a little over 20 touches while kicking more than a goal a game and his score involvements, goal assists were through the roof. His tackling is a very underrated piece of his game too. Only thing that is missing is the MOTY.
Come again?Idk about that, he was pretty f*n good at stages last year. Averaged 30 and almost 2 goals a game at one stage i'd put money on it (late in the year) his first game back against Geelong he was very good and his game against North he was everywhere. He averaged a little over 20 touches while kicking more than a goal a game and his score involvements, goal assists were through the roof. His tackling is a very underrated piece of his game too. Only thing that is missing is the MOTY.
Maybe a little ambitious but he's still elite (atleast when he's not dead.)Come again?
Ambitious?Maybe a little ambitious but he's still elite (atleast when he's not dead.)
I don't think it was realistic for him to ever get back to what he was, even with no injuries. He was freakish, he's taking Flyin Ryan marks (even tho his MOTY is better than any Ryan mark) and his goals were at a sickly level.
Again ambitious and biased for sure but he's still elite.
No no i wasn't claiming he was that good last year, more that i wasn't sure about him not reaching those levels again, even if it was for a game or two.Ambitious?
Weren't you claiming he did that last season? That's not ambitious, it's just wrong.
Wingard's not a big guy and doesn't play a physical role so playing until 33/34 isn't out of the question. The issue is more what level he plays to. He should be in his prime now but hasn't played at 2014-16 levels since 2014-16.
Ward is exactly what we needed. Would've taken him at 2 if we landed there.
Ward is exactly what we needed. Would've taken him at 2 if we landed there.
No you wouldn’t have. You would have picked Callaghan without blinking. Your list needs more than one type of player.
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Agree with your comment but I can tell you though that now that we have seen Ward in action there wouldn't be many hawk supporters who would swap ward for callaghan right now if they had a chance. Kid is jet and ready to go round 1
When did the season start?Agree with your comment but I can tell you though that now that we have seen Ward in action there wouldn't be many hawk supporters who would swap ward for callaghan right now if they had a chance. Kid is jet and ready to go round 1
I think a better way to frame the statement wasWhen did the season start?
Agree with your comment but I can tell you though that now that we have seen Ward in action there wouldn't be many hawk supporters who would swap ward for callaghan right now if they had a chance. Kid is jet and ready to go round 1
He's still got it, it's about keeping him on the park. That's the difficult part and is the big, what will happen.Why are people so keen to pump up Wingard?
You don't give up draft assets and a good young player for a prime 'match winner' like Wingard to play a few good games a year in a middling side.
He's a good player, not some potato that has forgotten how to football. But he had great games and patches of great form in his last few years for Port too... and they told him to explore his options under contract.
He has gone from AA in 2013 and 2015 to not being in contention for 6 years. At his peak he was a 15-20 disposal, 2+ goal a game player over a 3 season period. That's a fair sample size. Sure he came home with a wet sail and polled 8 Brownlow votes in 4 games, but all that did was help his team climb from 17th to 14th, so there's a degree of 'who cares?' to that.
It's not like he doesn't have time to turn it around, but the moment he's fighting history to do that. He's still had a fine career if he retired tomorrow, just not the sort of guy you'd expect to feature on some top 50 list.
Why are people so keen to pump up Wingard?
You don't give up draft assets and a good young player for a prime 'match winner' like Wingard to play a few good games a year in a middling side.
He's a good player, not some potato that has forgotten how to football. But he had great games and patches of great form in his last few years for Port too... and they told him to explore his options under contract.
He has gone from AA in 2013 and 2015 to not being in contention for 6 years. At his peak he was a 15-20 disposal, 2+ goal a game player over a 3 season period. That's a fair sample size. Sure he came home with a wet sail and polled 8 Brownlow votes in 4 games, but all that did was help his team climb from 17th to 14th, so there's a degree of 'who cares?' to that.
It's not like he doesn't have time to turn it around, but the moment he's fighting history to do that. He's still had a fine career if he retired tomorrow, just not the sort of guy you'd expect to feature on some top 50 list.