Can Hawthorn succeed while ignoring the elite end of the draft?

[Pessimistic]

A solid B grader for sure. Nothing more. The elite comment was outrageous.

Three flags straight from a bunch of B graders who "only went well because of the talent around them' is outrageous

 

[Pessimistic]

But go on, can someone tell me how hawks could have drafted Naughton at pick 7 when the last pick seven we had was used to draft lewis in 2004 (granted it was an upgraded pick 10)
there arent any norths still around handing out pick 7 for some fringe players. Ironcally North drafted him

 

[Cadillac]

Three flags straight from a bunch of B graders who "only went well because of the talent around them' is outrageous

lol what are you talking about? The comment was in regards to Impey ya muppet

 

[nickrebellious]

Nash and Glass are possibly the two worst players in the league who are currently getting games. If those two weren't playing last night it's very possible Hawthorn would have won by 6 goals.

They have all the physical attributes just haven't got the footy brain.

You only disagree as the equation is wrong in your mind and random post without understanding context. You do not lose Tom Mitchell or Worpel to get those other talented youngsters to go with Naughton. You only lose O'Meara part in relation to Naughton plus 6 other possible draft pick opportunities you could have had during 2016 and 2017 drafts.
Mitchell, Naughton, Worpel, Tom Stewart, Willie Rioli, Luke Ryan etc etc could have all been yours to have and still have your other late draft picks you have used.

You keep saying this but how come Carlton couldn't get a haul in like that over the same period despite having probably the best draft picks in the competition at the time?

Drafting isn't an exact science. If it were, Tom Stewart and Willie Rioli would have been picked up in the years before.

 

[TylerDurden]

He had a good game against Collingwood, therefore he must now be elite.

You've haven't been watching many of our games then. He's been doing it all year.

 

[Scotland]

Drafting isn't an exact science. If it were, Tom Stewart and Willie Rioli would have been picked up in the years before.

Agree those were drafted a bit older than most, plus Rioli was a pork chop.

Why was Isaac Smith drafted at 20/21? Doesn't have any modern day red flags like being short or slow or a shit kick.

 

[threesixpio]

A solid B grader for sure. Nothing more. The elite comment was outrageous.

I reckon he was close to as good as Sicily on Friday and it was one of Sicily’s beat games for a while. Impey keeps playing like that and elite is not too far fetched (in that position).

 

[HairyO]

At best a Coniglio will lift the Hawks to just outside/inside the eight. Some serious issues down there being excused because “Clarko knows what he is doing”.

We are 1 game outside the 8 without Coniglio or Mitchell.

Sometimes, just sometimes, people should think before they post

 

[TigerTime88]

We are 1 game outside the 8 without Coniglio or Mitchell.

Sometimes, just sometimes, people should think before they post

Lol you are 24 points with a percentage of 97.4%. Adelaide are 32 points with a percentage of 105%. You are three games outside the 8.

Hawthorn are miles off and topping up just stops you from bottoming out.

You ignored my whole point about how when you topped up last time you did it around a drafted core which is what the Hawks are ignoring now.

But yeah I better think before I post!

 

[threesixpio]

Lol you are 24 points with a percentage of 97.4%. Adelaide are 32 points with a percentage of 105%. You are three games outside the 8.

Hawthorn are miles off and topping up just stops you from bottoming out.

You ignored my whole point about how when you topped up last time you did it around a drafted core which is what the Hawks are ignoring now.

But yeah I better think before I post!

I won’t ignore it. We have our core now (whether traded or drafted) - time to top up

 

[Scotland]

Lol you are 24 points with a percentage of 97.4%. Adelaide are 32 points with a percentage of 105%. You are three games outside the 8.

Hawthorn are miles off and topping up just stops you from bottoming out.

You ignored my whole point about how when you topped up last time you did it around a drafted core which is what the Hawks are ignoring now.

But yeah I better think before I post!

Two wins and % missing a player who plays for GWS.

 

[threesixpio]

Two wins and % missing a player who plays for GWS.

And that guy who won the last Brownlow

 

[TheFourPillars]

As i have mentioned before in this thread. Hawthorn will bring in what it thinks is the best possible players it can. How that happens is irrelevant. We are rebuilding and that takes time. Yes even for Hawthorn haha. We have a plan to replace our ageing players. We will follow that plan and adapt if necessary. Hawthorn havent gone out of their way to ignore the draft but pick 15 and 16s have been used for targetted resources. It all depends on whats available

 

[Jobe Watson]

We are 1 game outside the 8 without Coniglio or Mitchell.

Sometimes, just sometimes, people should think before they post

Hey isn't that guy playing today for a different club? What's up with that?

 

[threesixpio]

Hey isn't that guy playing today for a different club? What's up with that?

He is a GWS player we won’t reject like we did with Shiel. We are very selective with our GWS players

 

[Jobe Watson]

He is a GWS player we won’t reject like we did with Shiel. We are very selective with our GWS players

The only GWS players you've picked up are Scully and O'Rourke. Patton also looking very likely to make his way to Dingley. Seems Hawthorn's main selection criteria for their GWS recruits is most time spent in the surgeon's office.

Sucks that you rejected Shiel for a forward flanker who can't get on the park.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

And that guy who won the last Brownlow

Comparable to West Coast winning the premiership after our last Brownlow Medalist retired. Mitchell, like Priddis, just doesn't have that much impact on games.

 

[TheFourPillars]

Comparable to West Coast winning the premiership after our last Brownlow Medalist retired. Mitchell, like Priddis, just doesn't have that much impact on games.

Lol mitchell covered a lot of our deficiencies last year. There are some dumb posts in this thread this tops it all

 

[HairyO]

Hey isn't that guy playing today for a different club? What's up with that?

Im not sure. But I was responding to someone who said we probably wouldnt make the 8 even with him. I was merely pointing out that despite not having him and the reigning Brownlow medalist we are close.

Given our trading history, I dare say we arent just going for 1 player. Especially if we end up having Roughie, Burgoyne and Birchall all retiring.

But I do enjoy Essendon supporters giving their opinion on what it takes to succeed.

 

[HairyO]

Comparable to West Coast winning the premiership after our last Brownlow Medalist retired. Mitchell, like Priddis, just doesn't have that much impact on games.

That's about as dumb as saying that McGovern isnt that important because most of his marks are defensive, not offensive.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

That's about as dumb as saying that McGovern isnt that important because most of his marks are defensive, not offensive.

Seems very same-same to me. Hopefully I'm wrong for Hawthorn's sake but it was painful to see as the years progressed.

 

[TallyHawk]

But go on, can someone tell me how hawks could have drafted Naughton at pick 7 when the last pick seven we had was used to draft lewis in 2004 (granted it was an upgraded pick 10)
there arent any norths still around handing out pick 7 for some fringe players. Ironcally North drafted him

footyfan78 came up with that pearler.


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[TylerDurden]

Im not sure. But I was responding to someone who said we probably wouldnt make the 8 even with him. I was merely pointing out that despite not having him and the reigning Brownlow medalist we are close.

Given our trading history, I dare say we arent just going for 1 player. Especially if we end up having Roughie, Burgoyne and Birchall all retiring.

But I do enjoy Essendon supporters giving their opinion on what it takes to succeed.

My favourite part of the thread. Dons fans telling us what success looks like, post a failed doping regime and a 15 year winning final drought. Lulz.

 

[HairyO]

Seems very same-same to me. Hopefully I'm wrong for Hawthorn's sake but it was painful to see as the years progressed.

We have 4 flags in recent memory to keep us going while Clarko sets up the next run.

I wouldnt want it to take more than 5 or 6 years tho. Ive become accustomed to Hawthorn winning.

 

[WWSD]

Essendon: Haven’t won a final since 2004
Carlton: Haven’t won a final since 2013
St Kilda: Haven’t made the finals since 2012
Melbourne: Have made the finals only once in the last 14 years

Those clubs have certainly shown the blueprint in how to go about a rebuild.