Can Hawthorn succeed while ignoring the elite end of the draft?

[Kanga Commando]

He’s had to.

Every Hawthorn supporter with a social media account has hit him on the button.

It was a really dumb call, even when he made it.

I’m sure he was really upset by the Hawks fans on social...

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I’m sure he was really upset by the Hawks fans on social...

He’s been tagged into Twitter with insults for months, mate. He would have copped hundreds of notifications last night and today.

He might have a thick enough skin to not care, but I’m sure he’s not exactly enjoying it.

 

[Marcel Proust]

He’s been tagged into Twitter with insults for months, mate. He would have copped hundreds of notifications last night and today.

He might have a thick enough skin to not care, but I’m sure he’s not exactly enjoying it.

whos this sorry?

 

[Kanga Commando]

whos this sorry?

Goddard.

Mid/Early this year he made a dumb call and said Worpel had regressed, and copped a lot of social media flak over it.

Last Monday he admitted he was wrong ( before our B&F ) and declared Worpel an A-grader.

I give him credit for saying he was wrong - because not a lot of the footy media would do that..

 

[Gavin Excell]

Goddard.

Mid/Early this year he made a dumb call and said Worpel had regressed, and copped a lot of social media flak over it.

Last Monday he admitted he was wrong ( before our B&F ) and declared Worpel an A-grader.

I give him credit for saying he was wrong - because not a lot of the footy media would do that..

Thought for a moment we were talking about Blaisee

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

On this, just did a ranking of the average and median ages for B&F Top 10's. Here they are:

Average:

Geelong	27.7​
North Melbourne	27.7​
West Coast	26.8​
Adelaide	26.7​
Richmond	26.54545​
Brisbane Lions	26.3​
Collingwood	26.3​
Carlton	26​
Hawthorn	25.9​
Fremantle	25.2​
Gold Coast	24.9​
GWS	24.9​
Essendon	24.7​
Port Adelaide	24.7​
Sydney	24.7​
St Kilda	24.3​
Western Bulldogs	24.3​
Melbourne	23.6​

Richmond would rank 3rd with an average age of 27 if you took out one of the players that finished equal 10th.


Median:

Geelong	28​
North Melbourne	28​
Adelaide	27​
Richmond	27​
West Coast	27​
Hawthorn	26.5​
Brisbane Lions	26​
Carlton	26​
Collingwood	26​
Gold Coast	26​
Fremantle	25.5​
Essendon	25​
GWS	24.5​
Port Adelaide	24​
Western Bulldogs	24​
St Kilda	23.5​
Sydney	23.5​
Melbourne	23​

So yeah, they don't fare as badly as what you otherwise might assume.

Hi Chaisa,

Thanks for the effort, this displays the points made by most non-Geelong (and some Richmond) posters in here perfectly.

The transition has already been in place for the last few years, and with regards to on-field performances, Hawthorn are now mid-table age wise.

 

[hk89]

You have a bloke who strung a good end to the season winning easily and he wouldnt be in the top 50 players in the comp.

Probably top 5 performer for under 21 players though. Possibly top 3. Was 8th best clearance player in the competition. Averaged more clearances than any bulldog player. Probably wouldn't have come first in the B&F if Mitchell hadn't broken his leg, but a pretty decent effort for a kid that was only 1 game too many away from qualifying for the rising star nominations. Nearly twice as many Brownlow votes as the Rising star winner, and didn't play his best footy until the second half of the year (which makes sense given he's still developing).

 

[hk89]

Thought for a moment we were talking about Blaisee

Until you got to the bit about him admitting he was wrong?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I’ve never been one to align age with bad or declining form, but many posters in here have been hung up on the age of Hawthorn’s list going forward so this little stat is interesting.

 

[Marcel Proust]

I’ve never been one to align age with bad or declining form, but many posters in here have been hung up on the age of Hawthorn’s list going forward so this little stat is interesting.

its only interesting if you put stock in the b/f results of non final clubs

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

its only interesting if you put stock in the b/f results of non final clubs

 

[threesixpio]

I’ve never been one to align age with bad or declining form, but many posters in here have been hung up on the age of Hawthorn’s list going forward so this little stat is interesting.

No youf

 

[TylerDurden]

I think Miles is it

You're comparing Worpel to Miles? Surely you troll.

 

[Pessimistic]

Statistically one of the best defences but the midfield would have used energy to protect it.

Without the standout player of 2018 the other midfielders had a creditable statistical performance.

Worpel wins bnf partly because mitchells not there, but theres still detractors. Lets see him keep it up they say
Not in the top 50 players they say. Bnf in a non finals team they say.

Well he may not need to because one of the premier mids will be back next year.

 

[WWSD]

This thread will explode by Friday next week.

 

[Blackhawk42]

I think this worpel love fest needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

Inside midfielder ina middle of the range team is probably the easiest position to play in the afl.

its not like he is a young KP defender or forward dominating in a middle of the road team.

He is a one paced extractor, not dissimilar to Anthony Miles to be honest

Getting stats in the AFL is closely correlated to opportunity, he gets plenty of opportunities to get the ball, and arguably just like Tom Mitchell this opportunity is allowed by the oppo coaches because to be honest the hurt factor is very very low

Good honest battler but with a limited ceiling

Incredibly similar player to Dion Prestia in my opinion, who has only received the love of the public this season really (well deserved too). Worps has had individual success quicker than the meatball, so will be interesting to compare careers once Worps is 9 years in.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Incredibly similar player to Dion Prestia in my opinion, who has only received the love of the public this season really (well deserved too). Worps has had individual success quicker than the meatball, so will be interesting to compare careers once Worps is 9 years in.

Prestia was rated pretty good generally after his '14 season - suns 10 wins

 

[Marcel Proust]

I think this worpel love fest needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

Inside midfielder ina middle of the range team is probably the easiest position to play in the afl.

its not like he is a young KP defender or forward dominating in a middle of the road team.

He is a one paced extractor, not dissimilar to Anthony Miles to be honest

Getting stats in the AFL is closely correlated to opportunity, he gets plenty of opportunities to get the ball, and arguably just like Tom Mitchell this opportunity is allowed by the oppo coaches because to be honest the hurt factor is very very low

Good honest battler but with a limited ceiling

Would you swap him for Jack Ross?

 

[4THAWN]

He is a one paced extractor, not dissimilar to Anthony Miles to be honest

this is quality

 

[Marcel Proust]

this is quality

not as quality as tony miles ability to win a hard ball

 

[4THAWN]

not as quality as tony miles ability to win a hard ball

less hard ball than 2nd year worpedo and disposing at a lower clip

 

[Marcel Proust]

less hard ball than 2nd year worpedo and disposing at a lower clip

how much upside does warpie have?

doesnt strike me as having as much ceiling as a rayner or blakley

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

Would you swap him for Jack Ross?

We've already got one of those....

 

[Pessimistic]

Had this thread been 2006 and sam mitchell, no doubt the detractors would be exactly the same

Worps accredits all his bnf winning to mitch by the way

 

[Marcel Proust]

Had this thread been 2006 and sam mitchell, no doubt the detractors would be exactly the same

Worps accredits all his bnf winning to mitch by the way

2006 you had young Franklin, Lewis, Roughead + Hodge, Mitchell entering prime etc.

not so much now