Can Hawthorn succeed while ignoring the elite end of the draft?

[boncer34]

What point are you truly trying to make?

That's been pretty clearly stated.

 

[HairyO]

This thread is about hawthorn not Carlton.
You need to stay on topic.

Apparently we exist in a vacuum. No point ever comparing teams and progress.

Possibly the vacuum exists in the headspace of the head ****ed.

 

[MinerBoy]

Missing out on Cogs on a mil a year plus some retirements will allow the Hawks to sure up long term the salaries for Siss, Worpel and Lewis and bring in some others. I know Cogs is a quality player but the $ mentioned for one player is insane!

To be honest, contract length aside, it's a pretty bread and butter type price for a star player now and going forward IMO.

 

[HeHateMe]

That's been pretty clearly stated.

When?

 

[boncer34]

When?

Sorry but I'm not going to partake in your derailment of this thread. Have a good day.

 

[Pessimistic]

I'm hoping plan B is melbournes number two pick and project Anderson.

That way everyone in this thread can say they were "wright"

 

[Pessimistic]

Patton is 100% going. You're stuck with him

We do need a Schoey replaceemnt

 

[Shadow89]

Why’s that hard to believe? Three of the Hawks top 10 highest paid players will depart they are Smith, Burgoyne and Roughead.

Then you’ve got the following out of contract players

Glass
Birchall
Ceglar
Schoenmakers
Puopolo
Pittonet
Langford
Henderson
Mirra
Ross
Moore
Minchington
Mohr
Jones
Hanrahan
Miles
Reeves
Greaves
Golds

There you go. Smith is on 600k, Burgoyne and Roughead about 500k. Go and add it all up brah.

There's a problem here though, as a lot of those are rooks or depth players. Meaning they'd already be on a very low wage. You have to replace them too, which means that they're not really clearing cap space. Example - Greaves, Golds, Mohr, Ross, Miles, Jones and Moore would all be on basement wages (80-120K or so). You clear all of them out, best case scenario, you end up with 840K or so. Patton's salary is around 600K or so, but now you need 6 other players to fill the list spots.

I agree that Burgoyne, Roughy and Smith will help you clear around 1.5 MIL though, so you should be able to cover Patton, Amon, Greenwood and maybe someone like Carlisle if some others move on. That would be a solid trade period

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I'm hoping plan B is melbournes number two pick and project Anderson.

That way everyone in this thread can say they were "wright"

GC are getting a priority pick (they will lets be real). Rowell and Anderson will go there.

 

[Pessimistic]

Midfield age - Hawks have really balanced the list by targetted recruits in the 25-28 group (mitchell coming in 2 years earlier).Before that only Howe in that group (Hill left for Freo)

We all know Hodge 35 Mitchell 36 Lewis 33 Hale 35 left recently and Kennedy 31 left years ago

Its almost like the club had a plan to stock up in age demographics all along, and the threepeat got in the way

Coniglio age 25 would have really bolstered that group but the seven year deal might have meant losses elsewhere

37 Burgoyne

31 Smith Henderson
30 McEvoy
29 Sheils
28 Ceglar Scully

26 Mitchell Wingard
25 O'Meara
24 Howe
23 Pittonet

22 Glass
21 Morrison Cousins Reeves#
20 Worpel Moore Jones#
19 Greaves# Golds#
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#11 pick, #F/S pick

Contra to many suggestions, when Clarko leaves the Hawks, the list will be in good shape

 

[Pessimistic]

GC are getting a priority pick (they will lets be real). Rowell and Anderson will go there.

Sadly yes. On the other hand Finns GF was a Hawk too. Norm played 53-58 according to wikip
anyone fancy a Mid with pick 11?

 

[hk89]

Yep. Articles too.

I googled, but couldn't find. Do you have a link?

 

[Furn2]

There's a problem here though, as a lot of those are rooks or depth players. Meaning they'd already be on a very low wage. You have to replace them too, which means that they're not really clearing cap space. Example - Greaves, Golds, Mohr, Ross, Miles, Jones and Moore would all be on basement wages (80-120K or so). You clear all of them out, best case scenario, you end up with 840K or so. Patton's salary is around 600K or so, but now you need 6 other players to fill the list spots.

I agree that Burgoyne, Roughy and Smith will help you clear around 1.5 MIL though, so you should be able to cover Patton, Amon, Greenwood and maybe someone like Carlisle if some others move on. That would be a solid trade period

We wont be paying Patton that, when a player moves you do a new contract.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Sadly yes. On the other hand Finns GF was a Hawk too. Norm played 53-58 according to wikip
anyone fancy a Mid with pick 11?

Better than Melbourne getting it when they aren't that bad

 

[Pessimistic]

We wont be paying Patton that, when a player moves you do a new contract.

I have a feeling GWS might now find they are paying some of Pattons contract

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

I have a feeling GWS might now find they are paying some of Pattons contract

Hawthorn punishing GWS for Coniglio not wanting to play at Hawthorn?

They're offloading him to free up space, even if it's 500k next year I'm sure they'll be content.

 

[HeHateMe]

Sorry but I'm not going to partake in your derailment of this thread. Have a good day.

What are you on about?

 

[Freomaniac]

Mitchell our hurt, as expected.

What really cooked our season was a month of games where we lost players during games, so we not only missed out on the 4pts, but then had to contend with a number of players sitting out weeks. Shiels, Burgoyne, Frawley, McEvoy, Smith, Wingard....which meant we were running thin in a lot of important positions and roles. As a result some other players couldn’t be rested or managed when they may have been if the list was fit and healthy, so they’ve struggled through, but their form is now poor and the entire group bar a handful of players look like they could do with another bye already.

Our young mids are not yet seasoned players so Worpel and Cousins will tire, and O’Meara is heavily tagged most weeks without much help. That doesn’t leave much in the way of depth.

The Mitchell inury has had a flow in effect.

curious what the hawks will do in the draft and trade periods now.

I know they have picks 10 and 28. I doubt they will trade that to get a top 5 pick, unless they have an eye on a certain gun kid.

 

[HolyRioli]

curious what the hawks will do in the draft and trade periods now.

I know they have picks 10 and 28. I doubt they will trade that to get a top 5 pick, unless they have an eye on a certain gun kid.

I expect us to cash in pick 28 for ... something else, and use later picks to match bids on Finn McGuinness.

History says that if the right player presents itself, pick 10 will be moved on without much fuss.

 

[TonaldDrump]

The people saying Coniglio rejected Hawthorn are grossly ill-informed.

The Hawks strategically denied recruiting Cogs so they could get Tomlinson. Was all part of a master plan.

They did this last year as well. Denying Shiel a trade so they could get an above average injury prone small forward.

 

[4THAWN]

The people saying Coniglio rejected Hawthorn are grossly ill-informed.

The Hawks strategically denied recruiting Cogs so they could get Tomlinson. Was all part of a master plan.

They did this last year as well. Denying Shiel a trade so they could get an above average injury prone small forward.

small forward averaging 27+ disposals the past month

 

[TonaldDrump]

small forward averaging 27+ disposals the past month

Fair point. Hopefully he can take that form into September.

 

[HolyRioli]

Fair point. Hopefully he can take that form into September.

I'd be stunned if an Essendon fan knew what good September form looks like

 

[WWSD]

Fair point. Hopefully he can take that form into September.

Hopefully for Essendon Shiel can try to hit a target for once.

 

[Blackhawk42]

I'd be stunned if an Essendon fan knew what good September form looks like

They don't remember because they no longer have a VHS player to watch their last premiership triumph on. DVD's weren't invented until ages after that.