Can Hawthorn succeed while ignoring the elite end of the draft?

[blaisee]

Middle of the road don’t beat GWS, Geelong, Collingwood, West Coast, Adelaide, Port Adelaide. Stuff up a 5 goal lead against Bulldogs, Brisbane and St Kilda. All this without Mitchell!

middle of the road finish 9th

In an 18 team comp, middle of the road is 9th.

 

[KermitJagger]

he was 19 and 200cm mate lol

He's 20, same age as Worpel... A B&F winner.

 

[Vindicater]

Middle of the road don’t beat GWS, Geelong, Collingwood, West Coast, Adelaide, Port Adelaide. Stuff up a 5 goal lead against Bulldogs, Brisbane and St Kilda. All this without Mitchell!

Middle of the road teams do however lose to Essendon and North Melbourne.

Swings and roundabouts.

 

[KermitJagger]

middle of the road finish 9th

In an 18 team comp, middle of the road is 9th.

Middle of the road teams have a pretty good record of beating Richmond in finals then

 

[Marcel Proust]

He's 20, same age as Worpel... A B&F winner.

b/f winner at a rubbish club according to the afl ladder

you are correct they are from the same draft. a good observation

Middle of the road teams have a pretty good record of beating Richmond in finals then

Richmond has won two flags and lost one final in the last 3 years

 

[KermitJagger]

b/f winner at a rubbish club according to the afl ladder

you are correct they are from the same draft. a good observation

Rubbish or middle of the road? Get your story straight.

Richmond has won two flags and lost one final in the last 3 years

Still the only team in AFL history to be knocked out of the finals by the 9th placed team.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Rubbish or middle of the road? Get your story straight.



Still the only team in AFL history to be knocked out of the finals by the 9th placed team.

fair play to carlton but they had nothing to lose after playing finals coming 9th - the drug cheats stuffed Richmond around that year

rubbish/run of the mill whatever term you want. hawks only won a few more games that carlton. their b/f should be taken with a grain of salt imo

 

[zucchini]

middle of the road finish 9th

In an 18 team comp, middle of the road is 9th.

Tigers had a mortgage on it year after year, it was nearly a tradition...

 

[WWSD]

Middle of the road teams do however lose to Essendon and North Melbourne.

Swings and roundabouts.

You played a Mitchell-less Hawthorn at Etihad!

 

[Marcel Proust]

Tigers had a mortgage on it year after year, it was nearly a tradition...

Richmond played finals three years in a row, prior to the down '16 season

 

[WWSD]

b/f winner at a rubbish club according to the afl ladder

you are correct they are from the same draft. a good observation



Richmond has won two flags and lost one final in the last 3 years

2 best player in the 2017 draft now behind Kelly.

This is where the Hawks ranked this year
1st in contested marks
1st in intercept marks
3rd in points conceded
7th in percentage

Yeah “rubbish”

Troll harder.

 

[Marcel Proust]

2 best player in the 2017 draft now behind Kelly.


Troll harder.

lets see whos better 5 years from now Cameron Rayner or the hawks b/f winner.

blokes like Liam Ryan might turn out vastly superior models too

 

[Pessimistic]

Just switching to the hard rebuild tack.
We see saints now trading away some of the great hopes from the last rebuild, while mcevoy is a mainstay of our team

No knock on the saints. They’ve been unlucky. Just saying that strategy carries no guarantees either

 

[Marcel Proust]

Just switching to the hard rebuild tack.
We see saints now trading away some of the great hopes from the last rebuild, while mcevoy is a mainstay of our team

No knock on the saints. They’ve been unlucky. Just saying that strategy carries no guarantees either

st kilda is hardly the greatest benchmark to use

 

[WWSD]

lets see whos better 5 years from now Cameron Rayner or the hawks b/f winner

A player who averaged 10 disposals and less than 1 goal per game or a player who averaged 27 disposals in his second season minus Mitchell. That’s certainly a tough one.

 

[Pessimistic]

st kilda is hardly the greatest benchmark to use

The strategy

 

[Marcel Proust]

A player who averaged 10 disposals and less than 1 goal per game or a player who averaged 27 disposals in his second season minus Mitchell. That’s certainly a tough one.

id pick rayner, twice on thursdays

 

[Marcel Proust]

Of you would. You would probably pick Prestia over Mitchell such is you’re stupidity.

premiership season best and fairest winner over a hawthorn accumulator?

prestia for me yeah

prestia 'was ranked' (whatever that means) #1 player in the league since mid season iirc, btw...

but then again im stupid s0 what would i know

 

[juss]

Not true,

Taranto 2019 Best and Fairest.
Worpel 2019 Best and Fairest.

Taranto 9 Brownlow Votes
Worpel 10 Brownlow Votes

Player: Taranto - Worpel

Height: 187 - 185
Weight: 87 - 85
Age: 21 - 20

Disposals: 27 - 26
Contested: 11 - 12
Clearances: 5 - 6
Tackles: 6 - 5

They even celebrate a goal the same way.
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This is terribly overrating Worpel.
If given the choice between the 2 no one is taking Worpel over Taranto right now. He might get there eventually but that's speculation and Taranto still has improvement too.

No one is picking Worpel over Taranto, Hawks would make that trade tomorrow.

 

[hk89]

Hawthorn are middle of the table and looking like being there for awhile.

Agreed. It will be an agonising 6 months.

 

[Marcel Proust]

This is terribly overrating Worpel.
If given the choice between the 2 no one is taking Worpel over Taranto right now. He might get there eventually but that's speculation and Taranto still has improvement too.

No one is picking Worpel over Taranto, Hawks would make that trade tomorrow.

Almost as if hawks fans overrated worps due to a lack of young talent on the list? Ignoring the elite end of the draft all these years.

 

[hk89]

Is this a joke?

GWS made the grand final and have a superstar midfield

How did they go when matched up against superstar Worpel? None of them got more clearances, and they barely got the ball inside 50, scoring 29 points for the game. Worpel doubled Taranto's clearance count.

 

[Marcel Proust]

How did they go when matched up against superstar Worpel? None of them got more clearances, and they barely got the ball inside 50, scoring 29 points for the game. Worpel doubled Taranto's clearance count.

worpel plays well in the snow

 

[hk89]

worpel plays well in the snow

Doubled Taranto's clearances in our first game against GWS too without any snow. Although he was just warming up then and Taranto got two more possessions, and they managed to kick 38 that day. Based on the current trend, we'll probably keep them goalless for the entire game next time we play them.

 

[Furn2]

Stop feeding the trolls.

Champion data had Worpel's season as the 3rd best by a player under 23 and he's just turned 20.