Capuano sacked

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by Falchoon
if I wanted facts I'd go to the AFL si.... I'd go somewhere

 

[Z_K]

Originally posted by Fred
What a load of codswallop in this thread. It's all guesswork, made into fact by people that wouldn't have a clue about the truth.

Such threads employ you Frederick.

 

[Voice of Reason]

Originally posted by Falchoon
Pah this is what the site is here for, if I wanted facts I'd go to the AFL si.... I'd go somewhere

Very good!

 

[Majjie]

I think as someone said on the North board earlier (I think it was Shinboners)

Flags:
Capuano - 2
St Kilda - 1

St Kilda - The joke of the comp.

There has to be more to this story, they are so unprofessional down there at the Saints

 

[Fred]

Originally posted by Shinboners
It seems to me that most of the threads here have their fair share of guesswork and speculation. But this is an interesting story, so people will comment about it.

Of course, you're not getting precious about it because it involves St.Kilda, does it? Perish the thought.

Not in the slightest. He's either been pushed, told it's the two's only, or woken up he hasn't got it anymore - and hasn't for a long time IMO.
The truth will come out eventually, but it seems a bit silly to blow it up into some major conspiracy theory.
To get towelled up by the woods ruckmen to the extent that Maguire got twice as many hitouts suggests the third reason.
Whether he was any good in the 90's is hardly relevant now.

 

[saintsrule]

Originally posted by Majjie
I think as someone said on the North board earlier (I think it was Shinboners)

Flags:
Capuano - 2
St Kilda - 1

St Kilda - The joke of the comp.

There has to be more to this story, they are so unprofessional down there at the Saints

And what kind of professional are you majjie?: rolleyes:

 

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by Fred
Not in the slightest. He's either been pushed, told it's the two's only, or woken up he hasn't got it anymore - and hasn't for a long time IMO.

Pushed? Told it's the 2s only? Woken up? I daresay that you're only speculating. Where are your facts?

The truth will come out eventually, but it seems a bit silly to blow it up into some major conspiracy theory.

But most people have made a reasonable argument, based on the previous behaviour of Grant Thomas and the St.Kilda board, to support their points of view. This has applied to both sides of the debate, especially those views provided by the Roos and Saints fans, both of who have seen Capuano over the years.

To get towelled up by the woods ruckmen to the extent that Maguire got twice as many hitouts suggests the third reason.

And Mark Porter has been towelled up, but I don't see the Roos sacking him.

Whether he was any good in the 90's is hardly relevant now.

But perhaps his experiences with a successful side in the 90s could help the current crop of St.Kilda youngsters?

 

[Joffaboy]

I just heard from a good source at the club that the Saints are now after Darcy, Gardiner, and /or Primus as their 2004 season ruckman.

OK Fred let me have it

 

[Joffaboy]

Originally posted by Shinboners
But most people have made a reasonable argument, based on the previous behaviour of Grant Thomas and the St.Kilda board, to support their points of view. This has applied to both sides of the debate, especially those views provided by the Roos and Saints fans, both of who have seen Capuano over the years.

What previous behavior are you speaking of? Letting Everitt go? Hardly, he didn't want to play for the Saints and showed it in his pathetic last game for St.Kilda. Beetham? Spoken to constantly about his lack of application, delisted when he made it known that he didn't want to play for the Saints. Begley? Again traded to Adelaide when he wanted to go home after the Bali bombing.

They have constantly stated that only players wanting to play at the Saints will stay. In his efforts Capuano has stated over the past three weeks he couldn't care less about the Saints.

And Mark Porter has been towelled up, but I don't see the Roos sacking him.

How old is Porter and has he potential, or is his time nearly at an end?

But perhaps his experiences with a successful side in the 90s could help the current crop of St.Kilda youngsters?

Damien Monkhorst was an experienced ruckman who was past his prime at St.Kilda also. Experience cant be the only criteria.

Where was the same bruhaha last season when Swartz and Knights were given their marching orders? Or did they voluntarily retire?

 

[saintsrule]

I think all the naysayers on this forum should be grateful to the saints, for giving them something to wag their tongues about on a slow football news day.
And the saints haters...sorry "critics" must be beside themselves, especially after Saturday night's poor showing.

 

[Z_K]

Originally posted by Joffaboy
Originally posted by Shinboners

Where was the same bruhaha last season when Swartz and Knights were given their marching orders? Or did they voluntarily retire?

Again, it is not the fact that he was delisted. If he was told to leave at the end of the year, it wouldn't be an issue.

Mid year though? This is the bit poeple are finding ridiculous and pointless.

 

[sainter]

Seems a strange move.

The most logical explanation seems to be that he was told he wouldn't be playing in the seniors again and he didn't want to play for Springvale after being told he had no possible chance of promotion.

Someone earlier in the thread, probably a Collingwood supporter, made some comment about Koschitzke snapping in half everytime he stepped out on the field. He'd played 7 straight games this season and that would have continued had he not landed awkwardly and hurt his ankle. Something any player can do. He's been very impressive this season. Barry Brooks has been showing some good signs for Springvale in the last few weeks but was only ever going to be a long term proposition. Anyone who thinks that we were wrong to trade Everitt, who incidentally showed his true colours again on Sunday, probably should wait at least 2 to 3 years before being in a position to make an informed judgement.

Anyway Savatage nailed it earlier on. The poor guy can hardly move, let alone jump. All of the injuries that he's had makes it near on impossible to compete with the likes of Gardiner, White and probably even Trent Ormond-Allen in the ruck.

Good luck to him, I always thought he tried hard since crossing from North. His battered body just wasn't up to it.

Congratulations to Allan Murray on being promoted. He has been a very good player for Springvale and thoroughly deserves his promotion. He deserves to go straight into our side.

 

[magoo]

how come saint k get to promote a rookie?

with the carey business last year, we didn't get to elevate a rookie eventhough it was obvious that he wasn't going to play with us for the season.

 

[Joffaboy]

Originally posted by magoo
how come saint k get to promote a rookie?

with the carey business last year, we didn't get to elevate a rookie eventhough it was obvious that he wasn't going to play with us for the season.

Two less players on the list than maximum. Could have elevated him at any stage, but will now use Capuano's match payments to pay young Murray.

Looked good preseason and in an intra club match. Fumbled around against the hawks at launceston, but has been promising for Springvale recently.

Deserves his elevation and should get a go in the seniors shortly.

 

[Fred]

Originally posted by Shinboners
Pushed? Told it's the 2s only? Woken up? I daresay that you're only speculating. Where are your facts?

The difference being that I didn't turn speculation into fact and then draw all sorts of inferences about there being something sinister behind it, or that it is a reflection on Thomas' man-management or any other of the dark doings mentioned.

No loss at all IMO, in any capacity.

 

[Fred]

Originally posted by Joffaboy
I just heard from a good source at the club that the Saints are now after Darcy, Gardiner, and /or Primus as their 2004 season ruckman.

OK Fred let me have it

Go for the lot of 'em.

 

[Holycrap]

Dangerous precedent that the Saints have employed here!!! They have basically granted the right of every club administration the power to sack a player whenever and however they want regardless of contract. Granted if the player has brought disrepute to the club, playing group or the public in general, this could be seen a instant dismissal but to to say to a player, play the next 3 games and these are your and KPI's and you must meet them or your sacked? This send the wrong message to the playing group - if Kozzie does a knee again or a back and is out for two years, would you sack him?
Is this fair? No it's not because it's not what we want to see in our game. If the player has no future at you club, let him play out in the VFL and delist him, sacking him doesn't save the club any money at all?
The Saints will sill need to payout Capuano if they sacked him. Alan Murray cannot draw a wage from a Capuano's match payments as Alan Murray would be on a one year contract and subsequently disclosed under the salary cap.

Very poor man management from the Saints hierarchy IMO.

 

[Darky]

I posted this on the North board too... still puzzled how someone could go from being a senior #1 ruckman, to being "not required" on a senior list, within the space of three days.

Brooks, Knobel, Oliver, Maguire, Koschitzke is not exactly a reassuring prospect for the ruck division of 2003.

 

[Darky]

Originally posted by magoo
how come saint k get to promote a rookie?

with the carey business last year, we didn't get to elevate a rookie eventhough it was obvious that he wasn't going to play with us for the season.

We did not delist Carey because we knew he would be of significant trade value.

Could have delisted him on the spot, but would have had to elevate a rookie (who in all likelihood would have been elevated at year's end anyway) instead of hanging out for the #2 draft pick/

 

[morgoth]

query

A question for Saint fans? Was Capuano liked by the players? If he was you are about to have some serious morale problems. If not no real problems apart form the fact that is shabby treatment of an employee.

It would be nice to see the same criteria applied to Thomas. I thought his coaching effort on Sat night was deplorable. Why would you leave a paddock in front of Tarrant on his left hand side? Pretty bloody obvious what we would do. Hmmm Loose man, ruckman filling the hole?

I was shocked at the body language from the Saints on Sat nigth, half of them looked like they did not give a ****. Fine apply a hard aproach to your players but if you are not seen to be consistent ie the coach's performance the rot will set in. Call me a troll, whatever but things could get very nasty at Aints land. They could also take off. Time will tell.

 

[saintsrule]

Hedging your bets morgoth? Hindsight is a wonderful thing! And a victory is an adrenalin rush! Good luck to the pies, I think they will need it to be in the race against the interstate sides. BTW, were you as critical of MM and the players after the last 3 pie losses?

 

[wagstaff]

I heard Grant Thomas being interviewed on 3AW tonight and it seems that his version of the talk he had with Capuano differs from Matty's version of events.

Thomas said that Capuano has given up on football and won't play again , while Capuano stated today that he was looking at his options after having some time off overseas to think about things. Thomas seemed to imply that the decision was mutually agreed to but Capuano's version of events suggests he wanted to keep playing on.

As to why Capuano wasn't allowed the option of playing out the season in the reserves, Thomas said that they already had 4 ruckmen playing in that side and that a 5th one wasn't necessary to the makeup to the side. The Springvale coach wasn't consulted about whether he wanted Capuano to play for them for the rest of the season but Thomas said Springvale could sign him up as their own player if they wanted him to play for them.

 

[Darky]

Originally posted by wagstaff

As to why Capuano wasn't allowed the option of playing out the season in the reserves, Thomas said that they already had 4 ruckmen playing in that side and that a 5th one wasn't necessary to the makeup to the side. The Springvale coach wasn't consulted about whether he wanted Capuano to play for them for the rest of the season but Thomas said Springvale could sign him up as their own player if they wanted him to play for them.

Why would Oliver and Knobel not be good enough to make the side at all this year (to date), and now they are the two great white hopes... and Capuano goes from first to last preference in the space of three days?

 

[wagstaff]

Originally posted by Darky
Why would Oliver and Knobel not be good enough to make the side at all this year (to date), and now they are the two great white hopes... and Capuano goes from first to last preference in the space of three days?

Thomas more or less said that Capuano had been given more games this season then he'd probably deserved (six), I guess as a sort of last chance to prove that he was still up to AFL standard.

Thomas and the St. Kilda match committee decided that he wasn't.

 

[Dingster]

Matty hasn`t had a good year, but Thomas should have known what Matty was capable of pre season. To sack him now and to have denied him the opportunity of playing at another club is disrespectful.

Nathan Burke hasn`t set the world on fire either (though better the past two weeks). Would St.Kilda have dumped him as well? Best check your used by date under Thomas.