Good to see that even despite your massive bias you are able to see a bad decision for what it's worth. I doubt this kid will even fly over to Melbourne to play a game.Yep, that's how I saw it too...
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Good to see that even despite your massive bias you are able to see a bad decision for what it's worth. I doubt this kid will even fly over to Melbourne to play a game.Yep, that's how I saw it too...
Hollands gets picked by Carlton. Double fist pump, massive smile, hugs from all the family. He's just ecstatic to be joining such a great club.
Allen gets picked by Collingwood. Literal tears down his face, parents are clearly upset. Going to be going home in a couple years, I don't know why they would pick a WA boy when their culture is so s**t they can't even maintain someone from Geelong.
Yes, it was disappointing we lost a player who was ranked in our 24th to 28th best back to Geelong, but I think we'll survive.How many Collingwood players.. of their own volition.. requested a trade back home to WA SA NSW etc?
Don't know, don't care. Glad you added the 'of their own volition' part though, good to see some semblance of self awareness in your terrible list management strategies. But ask me again in 2 years and we can add another to the tally.How many Collingwood players.. of their own volition.. requested a trade back home to WA SA NSW etc?
Hollands gets picked by Carlton. Double fist pump, massive smile, hugs from all the family. He's just ecstatic to be joining such a great club.
Allen gets picked by Collingwood. Literal tears down his face, parents are clearly upset. Going to be going home in a couple years, I don't know why they would pick a WA boy when their culture is so s**t they can't even maintain someone from Geelong.
Don't know, don't care. Glad you added the 'of their own volition' part though, good to see some semblance of self awareness in your terrible list management strategies. But ask me again in 2 years and we can add another to the tally.
Our terrible list management has had us playing a s**t load of finals in the last few years, remind again why your list management is better?Don't know, don't care. Glad you added the 'of their own volition' part though, good to see some semblance of self awareness in your terrible list management strategies. But ask me again in 2 years and we can add another to the tally.
Congrats on participating in a few finals, guess that puts you up there with some absolute powerhouses of the competition in the last 6 years like the Brisbane Lions or Port Adelaide. Don't see those teams paying any other teams to play their players though, so I guess they're still ahead.Our terrible list management has had us playing a s**t load of finals in the last few years, remind again why your list management is better?
Let's go back to the goal posts. Have we played in a s**t load of finals in the last few years?. 2= how many finals have you even made in the last few years. Remember, you said our list management is poor yet here we areCongrats on participating in a few finals, guess that puts you up there with some absolute powerhouses of the competition in the last 6 years like the Brisbane Lions or Port Adelaide. Don't see those teams paying any other teams to play their players though, so I guess they're still ahead.
So you've been able develop a somewhat better then mediocre list that has been slightly better then 10 other clubs. Congrats, I'm sure that's what every list manager sets out to do when they get the job. Strive for some genuine success ffs.Let's go back to the goal posts. Have we played in a s**t load of finals in the last few years?. 2= how many finals have you even made in the last few years. Remember, you said our list management is poor yet here we are
Carlton's great list management strategy:Let's go back to the goal posts. Have we played in a s**t load of finals in the last few years?. 2= how many finals have you even made in the last few years. Remember, you said our list management is poor yet here we are
Every list manager strives to build a list to contend for a premiership/s.So you've been able develop a somewhat better then mediocre list that has been slightly better then 10 other clubs. Congrats, I'm sure that's what every list manager sets out to do when they get the job. Strive for some genuine success ffs.
I'm just having a bit of fun but old mates theory about list management is really badCarlton's great list management strategy:
1. Pay a handful of players a truckload of money to keep them satisfied despite not playing finals.
2. Fill the remainder of your list with players who feel fortunate to be on an AFL list, and are not attractive to opposition clubs.
3. Continually fail to make finals so as to avoid the salary cap pressures experienced by better clubs.
Has worked a charm in recent times!
These players that are getting paid a 'truckload of money' are 22, 24, 25, 25 and Cripps being the oldest at 27. But sure, it's all failed, even though it's barely even started.Carlton's great list management strategy:
1. Pay a handful of players a truckload of money to keep them satisfied despite not playing finals.
2. Fill the remainder of your list with players who feel fortunate to be on an AFL list, and are not attractive to opposition clubs.
3. Continually fail to make finals so as to avoid the salary cap pressures experienced by better clubs.
Has worked a charm in recent times!
Before the current crop - Williams, McGovern, Martin, Cripps.These players that are getting paid a 'truckload of money' are 22, 24, 25, 25 and Cripps being the oldest at 27. But sure, it's all failed, even though it's barely even started.
The top line are all still in our team. How are we paying a truckload to them, and all the new crop? Makes no sense all.Before the current crop - Williams, McGovern, Martin, Cripps.
And before that - Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer.
There's a distinct pattern there - shallow lists do not contend.
Yes, so Richmond win 3 premierships in 4 years, but they weren't the materially best list in the league. Hawthorn win 3 in a row, not the best list in the league. I assume this is to somehow talk up Collingwood's 2010 flag and why you didn't win more?Every list manager strives to build a list to contend for a premiership/s.
Once you're in contention, it all boils down to how it all comes together in September.
The only team in recent times that has been materially better than all opposition clubs has been Geelong between 2007 and 2011.
Richmond never finished top of the ladder in any of their premiership years, and required extended winning sequences in the tail end of home and away matches in two of their premiership seasons just to secure their top 4 position. Ironically, the only year they were clearly a class above for the majority of the season was 2018, when they didn't even make the Grand Final.Yes, so Richmond win 3 premierships in 4 years, but they weren't the materially best list in the league. Hawthorn win 3 in a row, not the best list in the league. I assume this is to somehow talk up Collingwood's 2010 flag and why you didn't win more?
Yes, so Richmond win 3 premierships in 4 years, but they weren't the materially best list in the league. Hawthorn win 3 in a row, not the best list in the league. I assume this is to somehow talk up Collingwood's 2010 flag and why you didn't win more?
Obviously momentum and luck are important to win a premiership. But these are dynasty's, I didn't put up a team like 2016 Bulldogs or 2018 WCE. You are saying these teams didn't have the best lists during their time periods because they happened to not finish on top of the ladder, and had to win some close games. Who cares? They won the whole god damn league 3 times, I'm pretty sure they weren't just 'lucky' three times. You're actually arguing that 3x Premiership teams didn't have the best lists at the time, jesus man, this is delusion.Richmond never finished top of the ladder in any of their premiership years, and required extended winning sequences in the tail end of home and away matches in two of their premiership seasons just to secure their top 4 position. Ironically, the only year they were clearly a class above for the majority of the season was 2018, when they didn't even make the Grand Final.
Hawthorn finished top of the ladder once between 2013 and 2015, and in that year qualified for the Grand Final with a 5 point Preliminary Final win. They also had a 3 point Prelim win in 2013, and got belted in their 2015 Qualifying Final.
So no, neither side were clearly head and shoulders above the rest during their dynasty years, and shows how important luck and momentum are when it comes to winning premierships. As per my earlier point.
Carlton supporters might discover this one day...
I'm saying they weren't MATERIALLY ahead of every other team in the competition in the same way Geelong was.Obviously momentum and luck are important to win a premiership. But these are dynasty's, I didn't put up a team like 2016 Bulldogs or 2018 WCE. You are saying these teams didn't have the best lists during their time periods because they happened to not finish on top of the ladder, and had to win some close games. Who cares? They won the whole god damn league 3 times, I'm pretty sure they weren't just 'lucky' three times. You're actually arguing that 3x Premiership teams didn't have the best lists at the time, jesus man, this is delusion.
Good point, 0.6% is a long way off.Carlton has a long way to go before they can even be considered to make the 8, Collingwood will definitely make the 8, so this one is easy, Collingwood.