List Mgmt. Carlton's 2019 Draft Thread

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footyfan78

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But as you've ignored a dozen times, the pick that GC got in return was secured in the knowledge a specific player was available.
There is no but about it. lol..., think...the player Gold Coast take is not what this is about, ( that I liked btw , but irrelevant) happens AFTER the picks traded, not before... AFTER...Hello, think, think, think...
It is not ignoring something, it is focus of what the trade Ken Wood sees of picks... pick 11 and this draft 64 for pick 27... Think!!!
Forgot about what happened AFTER the trade, think only of the picks and you might get it.
 

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There is no but about it. lol..., think...the player Gold Coast take is not what this is about, ( that I liked btw , but irrelevant) happens AFTER the picks traded, not before... AFTER...Hello, think, think, think...
It is not ignoring something, it is focus of what the trade Ken Wood sees of picks... pick 11 and this draft 64 for pick 27... Think!!!
Forgot about what happened AFTER the trade, think only of the picks and you might get it.
You're a dog with a bone on this, aren't you.

The trade happened live, during the draft, for the subsequent pick. The premise of the trade is GC being able to get a specific player. You're assuming GC don't make any indication to KW about why they are doing the trade, which strikes me as an odd assumption.

GC and Geelong submit the paperwork, Ken Wood looks it over, possibly gives GC a call to say "this looks odd, are you sure", they say "Yep, we're doing this trade because there's a player we rate highly enough to use that future first to secure". It's possible they even include that information on the submission, impossible to say without seeing the paperwork though.

Think.

Do you really think the clubs just send a note that says "Future 11 for 27 and 62" and Ken Wood makes a decision on that, or do you think there is some discussion or avenue in which a club can explain why a potentially unbalanced trade is in their interests.

Think.

Think.
 

footyfan78

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You're a dog with a bone on this, aren't you.
Absolutely, and thanks for actually at least thinking about it.

The trade happened live, during the draft, for the subsequent pick. The premise of the trade is GC being able to get a specific player. You're assuming GC don't make any indication to KW about why they are doing the trade, which strikes me as an odd assumption.
We got no information from people at the draft live to indicate there was any hold up in going straight through...
So, yes, on that premise we heard nothing from those at the draft, covering it for us, that Ken Wood gave it a good sniff before letting through. It is all you can assume.

GC and Geelong submit the paperwork, Ken Wood looks it over, possibly gives GC a call to say "this looks odd, are you sure", they say "Yep, we're doing this trade because there's a player we rate highly enough to use that future first to secure". It's possible they even include that information on the submission, impossible to say without seeing the paperwork though.
If, this happened, which is what I would expect to have happened I would be more than content. The fact is nothing from those at the draft indicated this had and that Ken Wood give it a good sniff. I really hope he did, as then he would have done his job.

It sets a precedent of weird pick trades of extreme example of what can get through, which will be interesting to see the nth degree of how lopsided pick difference can be and allowed to be.
 

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It would be interesting to see the data from human recruiters vs champion data rankings and to see how they compare. I remember some lines from moneyball regarding your bias and how it influences decisions or how you miss what's in front of you.

How would a computer generated drafter go against an AFL real life, person one?
Lets just take time to reflect on Champion Data rating Melbourne as having the best list in the comp.
 

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I'm chilled as - just bemused as to how FF has come to the conclusion that others are drunk or not thinking when they suggest that Ken Wood might actually consider specific context when assessing trades, rather than just draft pick values.
Fair enough legend, I have noticed that taking a reductive approach to differing views seems to have increased as of late, which is a shame.
Given the common ground that we all share, I'd like to see a greater level of respect between us all rather than devolving into a shitfight at the first sign of a differing opinion.

/hippydippynonsense ;)
 
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Eiffel 65

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I'd like to know what kids might go in the 15-18 range (before bids)...

Asking for a friend...
I was looking at eDPS rankings for 2020.

Trying to find small forwards in the list. Bailey Laurie might be one to watch but don't know much about these players.

Good balance of mids and KPP's available though.
 

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It’s been interesting to read people’s thoughts on our recruitment of Philp over Robertson. I back the recruiters in, although I was big on team Robertson.

What I think people are missing is. We traded pick 22 and pick 55 for Philp, so when assessing Philp vs Robertson or whoever was still available, you need to factor in, it’s Philp vs Robertson and 55 or who we could have got, if we packaged 55 with the pick we used in the 40s.
We were only ever using 3 picks in the national draft, so pick 55 was always going to be burnt.

Ramsay was most likely our intended target with that pick. Even if that selection was a couple of spots higher up the draft board, I don't think anything would have changed.

For me, the trade we should be looking at is:

Hayden Young vs Stocker, Kemp and Philp (Young being the player we would have taken with our original pick prior to the trade with Adelaide)

Doesn't sound like Robertson was on our radar for selection. Keep in mind that Richmond passed on him immediately after us, so we weren't the only club that had other midfielders ahead of him. I'm sure Robertson will be a very good player, but we definitely weren't alone with having others ahead of him.
 

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