Cats after Boak/Dangerfield

[Turbocat]

I didn't think any contracts could be signed until the end of the season?

That was my understanding of it all.

There was a period around Nov last year where the window was open for them to sign players

 

[Tommy the Cat]

I didn't think any contracts could be signed until the end of the season?

That was my understanding of it all.

same here, I actually asked "what has he signed, a contract or just a letter of intent?"

he couldn't answer other than to say he was told they are all done deals

I really hope he is wrong

 

[ben_cats_fan]

same here, I actually asked "what has he signed, a contract or just a letter of intent?"

I would imagine it'd be some pre-contract type of agreement like that. Memorandum of understanding or as you say, a letter of intent. I would say it would be a breach of contract if he were to have already signed a new contract with the GC whilst being under contract with the cats!

 

[DanA]

The whole Goldcoast thing makes me sick. They could end up with 16 star players without trading a thing. They should have been given a set number of picks and required to trade for players with no access to the preseason draft.

 

[Turbocat]

The whole Goldcoast thing makes me sick. They could end up with 16 star players without trading a thing. They should have been given a set number of picks and required to trade for players with no access to the preseason draft.

I agree the whole process is sickening and biased. It's all about instant success without work or merit. Some of their picks should have be trade picks like what has been given to GWS , they should have had to give up something after all the picks given in the draft are basically currency and they have just given these guys a gold mine.

I doubt too many clubs will be lenient on these guys when these young kids come out of contract , it will be quite difficult to keep them all I would say.

 

[Greg Brady]

Just an update on Boak:

Caro has come out and claimed a deal is done and Boak will go to Essendon.

Emma Quayle replied to another bigfooty posters twitter that shes heard nothing on that, however we would be making a huge play should Ablett leave.

gb

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Just an update on Boak:

Caro has come out and claimed a deal is done and Boak will go to Essendon.

Emma Quayle replied to another bigfooty posters twitter that shes heard nothing on that, however we would be making a huge play should Ablett leave.

gb

Essendon has been linked with Boak for ages.

For the record I would think, especially with him being a Geelong boy, he'd prefer to come back here even if it's for half the cash (unless it's about the cash, in which case, who cares), but we're not in a position to put any firm deal on the table right now, and if he's that desperate to get out of Port he might well want to sign with the Bombers rather than wait for us in case we can't take him after all.

Anyway, time shall tell. I'm not too fussed.

 

[burto]

Am I the only one who thinks Boak is overated?

Would much rather Dangerfield. If not Dangerfield then give payrises to the rest of the Geelong team. They deserve it. Although I'd be dissapointed if the club filled most of Gary's space in the cap by getting either of these two. Existing players should come first.

 

[CatTricks]

What other players from rival clubs are out of contract at the end of the season?
Besides Boak and Dangerfield..are there any other half decent players?

 

[year of the cat]

Am I the only one who thinks Boak is overated?

Would much rather Dangerfield. If not Dangerfield then give payrises to the rest of the Geelong team. They deserve it. Although I'd be dissapointed if the club filled most of Gary's space in the cap by getting either of these two. Existing players should come first.

No you're not the only one. I wrote the same thing a while ago (possibly earlier in this thread). To me he lacks penetration - sure he racks up a few possessions but to me many are basically ineffective. Dangerfield to me has a much bigger upside.

 

[vinum coupe]

Am I the only one who thinks Boak is overated?

Would much rather Dangerfield. If not Dangerfield then give payrises to the rest of the Geelong team. They deserve it. Although I'd be dissapointed if the club filled most of Gary's space in the cap by getting either of these two. Existing players should come first.

I completely agree.

They all made a pact, which is great.

But I have an issue now.
The club is willing to release one of them to keep Gaz. Not ideal. It hurts the pact.

If Gaz goes the club doesn't say 'righy'o' you can all have some cash.

Additionally, who is to say varcoe, hunt etc wont become our next big thing?

Keep the cash up your sleeve to ward off another player loss with GWS if possible.

Keep rewarding from within I say.

UNLESS, boak or danger come over on reduced contracts.
I don't expect them to do it.

But if it came out that Boak was offered say 350 at Port, 550 at GC, and he accepted 275 just to play for the cats I think the playing group would wrap their arms around him.

 

[CatTricks]

Dangerfield >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boak

Dangerfield is as hard as they come IMO..

 

[Turbocat]

I certainly would like either , although I really doubt we get them.

IMO , Dangerfield is a more obvious talent although I think Boak would be a better onball replacement for GA. Dangerfield seems at this stage more a forward , probably a bit similar to Menzel and Duncan.

Boak in the Hoops would look far better than he does in teal and I'm not just talking fashion.

 

[Rosso]

Firstly Gaz has not signed with GC. If he signed last year, then why has GC up'd their offer every couple of months. Payrise alredy????

Secondly, if he is to leave then his current contract (say $650K) is what would be freed up. That's divi'd up between Selwood, Podsy and the rest of the group. Not likely to be used to recruit high profile players.

Finally, is pick 26 enough to entice the Crows or Power to part with their brightest stars?? Can't think of too many Geelong names on the trade table and both sides would be looking at youth. Or if we are compensated (if Gaz goes) with the first live pick in the draft being no. 4 I can't see us trading it away.

Just can't see it happening.

 

[DanA]

Firstly Gaz has not signed with GC. If he signed last year, then why has GC up'd their offer every couple of months. Payrise alredy????

Secondly, if he is to leave then his current contract (say $650K) is what would be freed up. That's divi'd up between Selwood, Podsy and the rest of the group. Not likely to be used to recruit high profile players.

Finally, is pick 26 enough to entice the Crows or Power to part with their brightest stars?? Can't think of too many Geelong names on the trade table and both sides would be looking at youth. Or if we are compensated (if Gaz goes) with the first live pick in the draft being no. 4 I can't see us trading it away.

Just can't see it happening.

Not sure I agree with you on any of those points.


Firstly the "offers" are all speculation, nobody knows what Jnr is doing.

Secondly it's not 650k, his current contract is irrelevant. It's the amount Geelong have put aside for his next contract that will be divided up and that
could be as much as 800k to 1m per year over 5 years.

Finally to get a player like Boak or Dangerfield we'd only be looking around 400k which would still give us a bit of room for Pods and increasing player salaries. Particularly if Milburn or Ottens retires. I can also see us trading an early pick for a player like Boak or Dangerfield who are young and were early picks themselves.

 

[Vdubs]

Who thinks Ottens, Corey,Mooney, Rooke, Milburn, Scarlett will all be there next year? How many will retire and free up some$$? That will probably depend on how we end up this year, which I believe is exactly what Ablett is waiting for as well. A flag this year, with 1 more chance in Bomber's last year would give these guys immortality and GOAT tags, while not making it this year could start the slide of retirements etc.

 

[DanA]

Who thinks Ottens, Corey,Mooney, Rooke, Milburn, Scarlett will all be there next year? How many will retire and free up some$$? That will probably depend on how we end up this year, which I believe is exactly what Ablett is waiting for as well. A flag this year, with 1 more chance in Bomber's last year would give these guys immortality and GOAT tags, while not making it this year could start the slide of retirements etc.

Don't think Corey belongs in their, he's 28 and this is his first significant injury. I'd expect another 2-3 years from him.

I think the most likely retirements are Milburn, Ottens, Wojak and Rooke. I think all four of them will have retired before the 2011 draft.

 

[Turbocat]

Don't think Corey belongs in their, he's 28 and this is his first significant injury. I'd expect another 2-3 years from him.

I think the most likely retirements are Milburn, Ottens, Wojak and Rooke. I think all four of them will have retired before the 2011 draft.

Corey - He signed a two year contract no so long ago , so Im I think he is tied up till 2012.
As far as retirements goes it really will depend on how much we want to rely our young guys. Thunt for Wojo for eg.

 

[Rosso]

Not sure I agree with you on any of those points.


Firstly the "offers" are all speculation, nobody knows what Jnr is doing.

Secondly it's not 650k, his current contract is irrelevant. It's the amount Geelong have put aside for his next contract that will be divided up and that
could be as much as 800k to 1m per year over 5 years.

Finally to get a player like Boak or Dangerfield we'd only be looking around 400k which would still give us a bit of room for Pods and increasing player salaries. Particularly if Milburn or Ottens retires. I can also see us trading an early pick for a player like Boak or Dangerfield who are young and were early picks themselves.

The cats have stated if they are to keep Gaz they are pretty much resigned to the fact that they would have to lose a senior player(s) to make room in the cap. There's not too many blokes that would be in line for a pay cut eitherso there's no room there. Ottens retiring would be the only bloke to open some room but if he can play some good footy in the second half of the year then he'll play on as long as the body is still able. Dash being a vet means that we only include 50% of his contract so if he does hang them up, it won't save us too much.

Unless we get a super pick fo Gaz (IF he goes) the SA sides won't deal with us. Say Selwood (being a gun young mid) wanted to move clubs, what would we want. I'm backing a top 5 pick as a starting point and unless the AFL does a massive backflip, we'll have nothing to offer.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Firstly Gaz has not signed with GC. If he signed last year, then why has GC up'd their offer every couple of months. Payrise alredy????

Secondly, if he is to leave then his current contract (say $650K) is what would be freed up. That's divi'd up between Selwood, Podsy and the rest of the group. Not likely to be used to recruit high profile players.

Finally, is pick 26 enough to entice the Crows or Power to part with their brightest stars?? Can't think of too many Geelong names on the trade table and both sides would be looking at youth. Or if we are compensated (if Gaz goes) with the first live pick in the draft being no. 4 I can't see us trading it away.

Just can't see it happening.

Agree...as I've said, if we can reward our loyal players, and get someone in as well (which could happen if they were willing to come for less than what they'd get elsewhere) then I'm all for it, but only if we can do both.

I think you're forgetting retirements though. I don't want to push anyone into retirement but particularly if we win another flag, there will be older players who choose to go out now on top, and no one could blame them for that. I can conceivably see that ablett goes, milburn and ottens (and maybe even scarlett) choose to retire, and then including vets list, you are talking the room to recruit 1 player. The lack of picks given any compensation picks will be 2012 is the stumbling block and the reason why it probably won't happen. In general I think you'll see more player for player rather than player for pick (across all clubs) trades this year.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

The cats have stated if they are to keep Gaz they are pretty much resigned to the fact that they would have to lose a senior player(s) to make room in the cap. There's not too many blokes that would be in line for a pay cut eitherso there's no room there. Ottens retiring would be the only bloke to open some room but if he can play some good footy in the second half of the year then he'll play on as long as the body is still able. Dash being a vet means that we only include 50% of his contract so if he does hang them up, it won't save us too much.

Unless we get a super pick fo Gaz (IF he goes) the SA sides won't deal with us. Say Selwood (being a gun young mid) wanted to move clubs, what would we want. I'm backing a top 5 pick as a starting point and unless the AFL does a massive backflip, we'll have nothing to offer.

The saving is not from Dash, the saving is his slot can then be used for someone else, and we only have to pay 50% of their contract.

On the player squeeze thing, I'm not sure. When Cook said it, he mentioned Prismall and Mumford, so that's not exactly senior player. There's a big difference between fringe player, to Stokes, and then again to Bartel etc.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Who thinks Ottens, Corey,Mooney, Rooke, Milburn, Scarlett will all be there next year? How many will retire and free up some$$? That will probably depend on how we end up this year, which I believe is exactly what Ablett is waiting for as well. A flag this year, with 1 more chance in Bomber's last year would give these guys immortality and GOAT tags, while not making it this year could start the slide of retirements etc.

Personally, and this is just my guess, I think Milburn is a dead cert retirement. Ottens less certain but still likely. Maybe Rooke the same with his injuries. The unknown ones are Scarlett and Mooney who could certainly play on, it all depends whether they want to. Corey doesn't have a history of serious injuries so I think he's no chance to retire in the short term, and that I am glad of.

 

[The rabbi]

I thought that Mooney had already signaled his intentions to play next year with the Cats. I vaguely remember an article early in the year where he said that his body felt great and that he was planning on playing again next year.

 

[Turbocat]

The saving is not from Dash, the saving is his slot can then be used for someone else, and we only have to pay 50% of their contract.

On the player squeeze thing, I'm not sure. When Cook said it, he mentioned Prismall and Mumford, so that's not exactly senior player. There's a big difference between fringe player, to Stokes, and then again to Bartel etc.

Pure where have you got that from? , its not as I understand it

I tried to find something to clarify and all I can find is an old media release for the AFL.-
32.3 Treatment of Football Payments
Where a Player is included on a Club’s Veterans List, half of the Football Payments in respect of that Player shall be excluded from the Club’s Total Player Payments.

Certainly Brisbane used the VL to manage Voss's wage toward the end , backloading his contract to coincide with vL eligibility.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Pure where have you got that from? , its not as I understand it

I tried to find something to clarify and all I can find is an old media release for the AFL.-
32.3 Treatment of Football Payments
Where a Player is included on a Club’s Veterans List, half of the Football Payments in respect of that Player shall be excluded from the Club’s Total Player Payments.

Certainly Brisbane used the VL to manage Voss's wage toward the end , backloading his contract to coincide with vL eligibility.

Sorry that's what I meant. Obviously we still have to pay their contract, but only half of it counts in the cap.

So when Dash retires, the saving is half his salary, plus half of the salary of whoever takes his slot on the vets list (ling, boris, chappy etc)