Review Cats drown Hawks by 36 points in Tommas 350

[Finknottle]

Does anyone know what got Stewart so angry just before half time?

He gazed upon the sea of Hawthorn bogans for more than a second. It's akin to seeing the head of the Gorgon Medusa mentioned in ancient Greek literature.

 

[Finknottle]

I thought the umpiring and commentary around Ginnivan this game was really interesting. Prior to the final quarter, there was plenty of talk by commentators about how he is treated differently, unfairly.

The interesting part for me was how in the last part of the final quarter the commentators - confronted with a Ginnivan who kept diving, kept leaning, kept lifting his arm - completely changed their tune saying things like: 'well, I don't know what to think about it'.

The fact is, that's exactly what the umpires are faced with. And I feel for them. Players who dive put them in a difficult position: give a free where it may not be justified and give away a goal or let play go on and risk missing a free kick. I can see why they've been instructed to do the latter and I think most fans of all teams would support that approach in general: if in doubt, don't blow the whistle.

The truth is, it's hard not to be biased (how many Hawks supporters would have backed Ginnivan in prior years? I'd say it'd be close to zero). And with all honesty, I can see how we'd be pissed if this was Close or Stengle or Miers (granted, they don't duck, but admit that most of us would have a bias towards our own players). But looking at it from the umpires' point of view: this is surely the hardest game in the world to adjudicate, and players who try to milk free kicks make that job harder, and they have nobody to blame but themselves if they miss out on the occasional genuine free because of their own muddying of the waters.

To be honest Ginnivan is not judged fairly by umpires. They ignored at least too blatant head high tackles yesterday. Selwood (not comparing them as players) had to deal with this later in his career.

 

[Mad_Hatter]

Not that we know exactly how much he weighs... lunacy by the AFL.

Come on man, we can't fat shame checks notes unbelievably fit, super elite athletes....

 

[CHAWKTS]

Disagree, that would be bad umpiring.

Good umpiring is paying 100% attention to what is actually happening in front of you. So ok, with the history of that player, if it makes umpires watch more closely, then that is ok I suppose. But they shouldn't be anticipating anying with prejudice. Just pay attention

That is ok to have a different view. I umpired basketball at a high level. Got to know players and was very important in terms of being able to not get sucked in to ‘flopping’ etc. I do agree you should try not to anticipate and umpire on its merits. But umpires are human and not robots so interpretation is part of it.

When you see someone put their arm up to try and get a free, as an umpire you will naturally have a higher bar for a free kick. It is going to keep happening to him as umpires don’t want to be made to look stupid by a player sucking them in for a free

It is up to ginniven now to adjust. Just play the ball and don’t expect to get a free

 

[dont stop me meow]

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Purely out of my own curiosity can anyone work out what the average age was if you replaced Hawkins with Neale and Duncan with someone like Knevitt?

 

[Finknottle]

He wasn't really in midfield much but he was absolutely superb. He must be one of the smartest footballers in the game.

Duncan has class and experience written all over him. He sometimes looks like he is coasting but that's just because he is a master of time and space. That long goal he kicked was an example of that. He assessed the options and saw that the Hawthorn backmen were streaming out to cover the Geelong forwards, kicked straight down the middle where Ollie Henry was doubling back and Henry had the option to let it bounce through or take the mark.

 

[Footy Smarts]

To be honest Ginnivan is not judged fairly by umpires. They ignored at least too blatant head high tackles yesterday. Selwood (not comparing them as players) had to deal with this later in his career.

They also ignored ~10 blatantly staged attempts at free kicks. It's impossible to tell the difference so I don't know how the umpires can possibly officiate fairly when there's a ~90% chance they're being duped.

 

[iameviljez]

Come on man, we can't fat shame checks notes unbelievably fit, super elite athletes....

Look, I am probably a mad lefty by BF standards and even I think it’s insane

 

[iameviljez]

To be honest Ginnivan is not judged fairly by umpires. They ignored at least too blatant head high tackles yesterday. Selwood (not comparing them as players) had to deal with this later in his career.

Yes, but equally the umpires are all human and nobody wants to be the umpire who got sucked in by a twerp.

 

[you pick one]

Chol gave Jack a bath in the second quarter. Not sure I’d be as forgiving as to say he was a net positive but he’s otherwise had a good start to the season and has credit in the bank.

Henry is undersized to take Chol the bloke that should have been doing that job is out of form bit tuff hammering the bloke that is thrown under the bus to try and get the job done.

 

[fpm84]

AFLCA votes are in - fantastic to see three of our under 21s leading the way!

9- James Worpel (HAW)
6- Oliver Henry (GEEL)
5- Mitch Duncan (GEEL)
4- Max Holmes (GEEL)
3- Tanner Bruhn (GEEL)
3- Tyson Stengle (GEEL)

 

[iameviljez]

AFLCA votes are in - fantastic to see three of our under 21s leading the way!

9- James Worpel (HAW)
6- Oliver Henry (GEEL)
5- Mitch Duncan (GEEL)
4- Max Holmes (GEEL)
3- Tanner Bruhn (GEEL)
3- Tyson Stengle (GEEL)

Tad harsh on Bruhn who I thought was our best by a long way.

 

[bulletproof]

Dempsey was sneaky good in this game. Loves the wide open spaces of MCG.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Dempsey was sneaky good in this game. Loves the wide open spaces of MCG.

He's going to be a seriously special player in time.

 

[thejester]

A maths genius can correct me but does the AFLCA break down into one coaching having Duncan BOG and the other not including him at all, and that dynamic reversed for Holmes?

 

[calder_daddy]

It was a good win considering our midfield. Bruhn got a football lesson by Worpel but outside of that I thought the mids held up well. Parfitt in particular was solid

Just watched the replay and gave up when I had seen Worpel and Bruhn match up 5 times in the first 3 quarters.
Was 1 possession each and nothing for the other 3.
The last quarter started even worse for you.

Had you gone with Atkins got taught a lesson by Worpel you would’ve had a case.

In other news I thought Luke Bruest got absolutely taught a football lesson by Tyson Stengle

 

[Hamingja]

A maths genius can correct me but does the AFLCA break down into one coaching having Duncan BOG and the other not including him at all, and that dynamic reversed for Holmes?

Olly could be 5 and 1, Duncan 4 and 1, Holmes 2 and 2

Olly 5 from CS would make sense. Blanket Sicily plus kick 4.

 

[calder_daddy]

Tad harsh on Bruhn who I thought was our best by a long way.

His second quarter killed him, Henry was spoken about many times as having the job on Silicy.
No easy task and to win that by a considerable margin with 4 goals

Worpel was BOG so happy for him to have it anyway

 

[year of the cat]

Tad harsh on Bruhn who I thought was our best by a long way.

Could be -

Worpel 5 , 4
Henry 1, 5
Duncan 4, 1
Holmes 2, 2
Bruhn 3, -
Stengle -, 3

 

[Scottland2007]

Nick Watson bobblehead is savage

 

[calder_daddy]

A maths genius can correct me but does the AFLCA break down into one coaching having Duncan BOG and the other not including him at all, and that dynamic reversed for Holmes?

Worpel 5,4

Henry 5,1

Duncan 4,1

Holmes 2,2

Stengle 3

Bruhn 3

 

[year of the cat]

A few maths geniuses here…

 

[Grimoz]

They also ignored ~10 blatantly staged attempts at free kicks. It's impossible to tell the difference so I don't know how the umpires can possibly officiate fairly when there's a ~90% chance they're being duped.

Yeah it was funny when the commentry team changed tune about it and then said that they should talk about it on 360.

 

[iameviljez]

His second quarter killed him, Henry was spoken about many times as having the job on Silicy.
No easy task and to win that by a considerable margin with 4 goals

Worpel was BOG so happy for him to have it anyway

Agree that Worpel was BoG for both sides, I just meant Geelong and only Geelong.

Pretty sure Bruhn spent most of the second on the pine.

 

[thejester]

Worpel 5,4

Henry 5,1

Duncan 4,1

Holmes 2,2

Stengle 3

Bruhn 3

I had it possible Worpel 5, 4
Duncan 5
Holmes 4
Henry 3 and 3
Bruhn 2, 1
Stengel 2, 1

Yours looks likelier, though!