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[CaptainDangerfield]

Its amazing how quickly people jump off. May I remind everyone of on Nathan Bock

"Jump off" when did we "jump on".

 

[macca23]

I'm with WW, re Jerico.
He'll come good eventually, but for now he's off the radar.
It will take a long while for him to overcome the loss of the Wok.

He did play hard a couple of times so he can do it!

We're not going to have the sequel to "young" Doughty over the next 6 years with "young" Jericho are we jc??

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Just on Roo's supposed hamstrings....if that is the problem surely that normally impacts on the kicking distance and/or accuracy of kicks.

But I don't see any evidence...he was kicking 60mtrs as normal on Saturday yet still flexing his left leg after the game more I would have thought in the driving muscle area

 

[jc67]

We're not going to have the sequel to "young" Doughty over the next 6 years with "young" Jericho are we jc??

a couple i reckon,
we've pretty much always had one or two of these long term development types on our list. (usually with the uncontrollable squib problem).
some get over it. and i think Jerico is one of them.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

a couple i reckon,
we've pretty much always had one or two of these long term development types on our list. (usually with the uncontrollable squib problem).
some get over it. and i think Jerico is one of them.

I agree, a season in the wilderness and he "should" be so keen for next season.

If however after next season and following the lesson he should have learn't from this season, we haven't seen noticable improvement then he's GONE!

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

I agree, a season in the wilderness and he "should" be so keen for next season.

If however after next season and following the lesson he should have learn't from this season, we haven't seen noticable improvement then he's GONE!

I would say there's a good chance he will be gone at the end of this year. I can't really think of many players who would be ahead of him in the "gone" column.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Iam actually a fan of Jericho ...remember how old he is!

I don't know haow many thousand times I have to explain this...Iam nor criticising Shirley - if you read my initial post in this thread and in fact any other post I acknowledge Shirley as he has been described....a blue collar worker.

But FACT if everyone wants these 4-5 kids to play FFS who is going to make way for them.
For the life of me no-one has been prepared to answer that question just simply criticising me because I am prepared to answer the question.

Alright, i'll have a crack.

Next year we will have 14 players ( the majority in our starting 22 ) who will turn 28 or 28+, provided Clarke retires. Who will make way for younger guys. Firstly, as far as the talls go, only Pez will be 28. Provided Huddo ( 28) can recapture 2005 form then I would ease Biglands ( 30 ) out of the side to be replaced by either Maric or Meeson.

You would expect the Big 4 ( Roo ( 32 ), Macca ( 31) , Goody ( 30 ) and Edwards (31 )) to be untouchable for at least the next 2 years unless injury or really bad form diminishes their influence. So over the next 2 years the players who are most at risk in the 28 or 28+ age bracket would be Bassett ( 30 ), Bode ( 28 ), Burton ( 29 ), Hart ( 33 ), Torney ( 30 ), Welsh ( 28 ) and Doughty ( 28 ). Of this group, I would expect Benny Hart will retire and Bassett and Welsh to be the safest. Bode, Burton, Torney and Doughty may be looking over their shoulder. Out of the players in the under 28 age group Jericho, Skipworth, Stevens ( if they survive the 2006 end of year cull ) and Shirls and Massie would be most at risk of losing their spots.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Alright, i'll have a crack.

Next year we will have 14 players ( the majority in our starting 22 ) who will turn 28 or 28+, provided Clarke retires. Who will make way for younger guys. Firstly, as far as the talls go, only Pez will be 28. Provided Huddo ( 28) can recapture 2005 form then I would ease Biglands ( 30 ) out of the side to be replaced by either Maric or Meeson.

You would expect the Big 4 ( Roo ( 32 ), Macca ( 31) , Goody ( 30 ) and Edwards (31 )) to be untouchable for at least the next 2 years unless injury or really bad form diminishes their influence. So over the next 2 years the players who are most at risk in the 28 or 28+ age bracket would be Bassett ( 30 ), Bode ( 28 ), Burton ( 29 ), Hart ( 33 ), Torney ( 30 ), Welsh ( 28 ) and Doughty ( 28 ). Of this group, I would expect Benny Hart will retire and Bassett and Welsh to be the safest. Bode, Burton, Torney and Doughty may be looking over their shoulder. Out of the players in the under 28 age group Jericho, Skipworth, Stevens ( if they survive the 2006 end of year cull ) and Shirls and Massie would be most at risk of losing their spots.

Now SC that's not really having a go....you've named 13 players and put them all under the heading of "possible"

That's having it both ways in that it'll be difficult to be wrong but how many horses do you want in the race.


No my question is definitively in order who will make way....not name 2/3rds of the side as possibilities

 

[Alex99]

Iam actually a fan of Jericho ...remember how old he is!

I don't know haow many thousand times I have to explain this...Iam nor criticising Shirley - if you read my initial post in this thread and in fact any other post I acknowledge Shirley as he has been described....a blue collar worker.

But FACT if everyone wants these 4-5 kids to play FFS who is going to make way for them.

For the life of me no-one has been prepared to answer that question just simply criticising me because I am prepared to answer the question.

No one will make way; next season the selectors will keep on picking the same player and only pick player for future as a second thought. I genuinely cannot see major trades happening or surprise player delisting. The side will exist the same way and the young boys will continue to battle way and hope like hell a few injuries happen so they get an opportunity. If we had all 38 players fit and ready to go I highly doubt Chris Knights, Nathan Van Berlo and any other younger player would be in the side and next season will be no different.

Mathew Clarke is 99% certain he will retire and Ben Hudson should regain his Ruck spot after a solid pre season. .

Hayden Skipworth, Scott Stevensand Luke Jericho may make up the 4 player who will make the designated change to the list for season 2007.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

No one will make way; next season the selectors will keep on picking the same player and only pick player for future as a second thought. I genuinely cannot see major trades happening or surprise player delisting. The side will exist the same way and the young boys will continue to battle way and hope like hell a few injuries happen so they get an opportunity. If we had all 38 players fit and ready to go I highly doubt Chris Knights, Nathan Van Berlo and any other younger player would be in the side and next season will be no different.

Crows98 that simply won't happen, all great club suffer when their stars all retire within a similar timeframe and their is a void in talent & experience behind them.

Surely your not suggesting the AFC replicate that scenario????

No I think Craig and the AFC are smarter than that and realisie Edwards, Bassett, Roo, Goodwin are all likely to retire within a 2-3 year timespan and that time is sooner than later.

They have to get a min of 50 games into these lads be4 they retire and the AFC WILL blood these recruits and make the tough call even if your not prepared to.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

No one will make way; next season the selectors will keep on picking the same player and only pick player for future as a second thought. I genuinely cannot see major trades happening or surprise player delisting. The side will exist the same way and the young boys will continue to battle way and hope like hell a few injuries happen so they get an opportunity. If we had all 38 players fit and ready to go I highly doubt Chris Knights, Nathan Van Berlo and any other younger player would be in the side and next season will be no different.

Port Board, circa October 2004.

 

[Alex99]

Crows98 that simply won't happen, all great club suffer when their stars all retire within a similar timeframe and their is a void in talent & experience behind them.

Surely your not suggesting the AFC replicate that scenario????

No I think Craig and the AFC are smarter than that and realisie Edwards, Bassett, Roo, Goodwin are all likely to retire within a 2-3 year timespan and that time is sooner than later.

They have to get a min of 50 games into these lads be4 they retire and the AFC WILL blood these recruits and make the tough call even if your not prepared to.

Make the tough call on a few players? I can and am very happy to make the tough call on a few players but I basically cannot see Adelaide Crows match committee going the same way.

I do not believe that the AFC will make any tough call on player delist or make any major trades to free up a few first 18 spots.

At the ends of the season and the match committee sit down and decide what there strategy is to win the premiership in 2007 and 2008; I can come only see 5 players that could be candidates for trade or delist. Clarke, Skipworth, Jericho (traded), Stevens and Jonathon Griffin.

I agree we need to blood some of these younger guys and give them game time before the A grade group of midfielders we have cannot longer do it. What mad me believe that the match committee wont make any major changes next year is that it’s round 10 and in my option Mathew Clarke and Rhett Biglands would have only play 4 or 5 good games and have not even come close to being dropped or rested

First off I would like to see a minimum of 8 player turned over from the list each year.

Some tough decisions should be made on a few players to create a few opening in the list. Massie, Clarke, Doughty, Torney, Bode, Biglands, Shirley, Skipworth and Stevens have all been in the AFL system for 5 or 6 years and basically have not cemented a spot in the team. They are the first player on the list to be looked at and I would trade or delist 4 out of that 8.

It’s not like we don’t have the replacements.

1) Mathew Clarke to be replaced by Ivan Maric (and we still have Ben Hudson coming back)
2) Kris Massie to be replaced in the side by Chris Knights or
3) Michael Doughty to be replaced by Jason Porplyzia
4) Jason Torney to be replaced by Nathan Van Berlo
5) Mathew Bode to be replaced by Richard Douglas
6) Rhett Biglands to be replaced by John Meesen
7) Robert Shirley to be replaced by Bernie Vince
8) Stevens and Skipworth are more than likely to be the odd men out who get the chop.

Granted most of the players mentioned have been good this year and don’t deserve to lose there spot on the list but sometime a tough call has to be made on a player.

In 3 or 4 year time when Ricciuto, Goodwin, Edwards can not longer play in the midfield and have handed the reigns over to Reilly and Thompson (as they are out most senior player at the moment) will the likes of Massie, Doughty, Bode and Skipworth be good enough to play as an A grade midfield? I highly doubt it; they are good players but not A-grade material. That’s why it’s time to move a few of these players on and make room for the new breed of player coming thought. If we keep all of them on the list we will end up like Port Adelaide and Essendon with a depleted midfield rotation.


The 8 players I would cull from the 2006 Adelaide Football Club list for season 2007 would be

Retirements

Clarke
Torney (injury)

Delisting

Stevens
Skipworth
Griffin
Massie


Trade

Jericho (we could get a second round for him)
Bode (if not delist)

It’s tough on a few players but for the list to move forward tough decision have to be made on a few who have been around for 5 or 6 year and have not cemented there place.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Make the tough call on a few players? I can and am very happy to make the tough call on a few players but I basically cannot see Adelaide Crows match committee going the same way.

I do not believe that the AFC will make any tough call on player delist or make any major trades to free up a few first 18 spots.

At the ends of the season and the match committee sit down and decide what there strategy is to win the premiership in 2007 and 2008; I can come only see 5 players that could be candidates for trade or delist. Clarke, Skipworth, Jericho (traded), Stevens and Jonathon Griffin.

I agree we need to blood some of these younger guys and give them game time before the A grade group of midfielders we have cannot longer do it. What mad me believe that the match committee wont make any major changes next year is that it’s round 10 and in my option Mathew Clarke and Rhett Biglands would have only play 4 or 5 good games and have not even come close to being dropped or rested

First off I would like to see a minimum of 8 player turned over from the list each year.

Some tough decisions should be made on a few players to create a few opening in the list. Massie, Clarke, Doughty, Torney, Bode, Biglands, Shirley, Skipworth and Stevens have all been in the AFL system for 5 or 6 years and basically have not cemented a spot in the team. They are the first player on the list to be looked at and I would trade or delist 4 out of that 8.

It’s not like we don’t have the replacements.

1) Mathew Clarke to be replaced by Ivan Maric (and we still have Ben Hudson coming back)
2) Kris Massie to be replaced in the side by Chris Knights or
3) Michael Doughty to be replaced by Jason Porplyzia
4) Jason Torney to be replaced by Nathan Van Berlo
5) Mathew Bode to be replaced by Richard Douglas
6) Rhett Biglands to be replaced by John Meesen
7) Robert Shirley to be replaced by Bernie Vince
8) Stevens and Skipworth are more than likely to be the odd men out who get the chop.

Granted most of the players mentioned have been good this year and don’t deserve to lose there spot on the list but sometime a tough call has to be made on a player.

In 3 or 4 year time when Ricciuto, Goodwin, Edwards can not longer play in the midfield and have handed the reigns over to Reilly and Thompson (as they are out most senior player at the moment) will the likes of Massie, Doughty, Bode and Skipworth be good enough to play as an A grade midfield? I highly doubt it; they are good players but not A-grade material. That’s why it’s time to move a few of these players on and make room for the new breed of player coming thought. If we keep all of them on the list we will end up like Port Adelaide and Essendon with a depleted midfield rotation.


The 8 players I would cull from the 2006 Adelaide Football Club list for season 2007 would be

Retirements

Clarke
Torney (injury)

Delisting

Stevens
Skipworth
Griffin
Massie


Trade

Jericho (we could get a second round for him)
Bode (if not delist)

It’s tough on a few players but for the list to move forward tough decision have to be made on a few who have been around for 5 or 6 year and have not cemented there place.

And I though I was tough. Let's hope you never become an Employer.

 

[-VC-]

Some tough decisions should be made on a few players to create a few opening in the list. Massie, Clarke, Doughty, Torney, Bode, Biglands, Shirley, Skipworth and Stevens have all been in the AFL system for 5 or 6 years and basically have not cemented a spot in the team. They are the first player on the list to be looked at and I would trade or delist 4 out of that 8.

Biglands has long cemented his spot in the team. Massie, Doughty and Bode have played well enough this season and Shirley last season to be considered players who have cemented their spot just recently, albeit not as top class players. They are still needed though.

It’s not like we don’t have the replacements.

1) Mathew Clarke to be replaced by Ivan Maric (and we still have Ben Hudson coming back)
2) Kris Massie to be replaced in the side by Chris Knights or
3) Michael Doughty to be replaced by Jason Porplyzia
4) Jason Torney to be replaced by Nathan Van Berlo
5) Mathew Bode to be replaced by Richard Douglas
6) Rhett Biglands to be replaced by John Meesen
7) Robert Shirley to be replaced by Bernie Vince
8) Stevens and Skipworth are more than likely to be the odd men out who get the chop.

Granted most of the players mentioned have been good this year and don’t deserve to lose there spot on the list but sometime a tough call has to be made on a player.

In 3 or 4 year time when Ricciuto, Goodwin, Edwards can not longer play in the midfield and have handed the reigns over to Reilly and Thompson (as they are out most senior player at the moment) will the likes of Massie, Doughty, Bode and Skipworth be good enough to play as an A grade midfield? I highly doubt it; they are good players but not A-grade material. That’s why it’s time to move a few of these players on and make room for the new breed of player coming thought. If we keep all of them on the list we will end up like Port Adelaide and Essendon with a depleted midfield rotation.

You would be cutting down all of our handy interchange players and severely depleting our chances at making a run for the 2007 Premiership. I have high hopes for all of the youngsters you mentioned but blooding them all at the same time would be dangerous and I consider 'blooding' a player to be any time in their first three years unless they're a freak. Just look at how long Brent Reilly has taken, for example.
We will be making a run for the premiership this year and next year and of Biglands, Bode, Massie, Doughty and Shirley at least four of those guys will be a very important part of our side in both years.
There will still be room for a couple of young guys to be played at the same time. Van Berlo has played all games this year I think and Knights and Porplyzia have all been on a relatively regular rotation, with Vince playing a couple of games and Maric one. VB had his 11 games last year and has been a regular selection this season, but has not cemented his spot. He will probably have done that by the end of this season. Knights, Vince and Porplyzia will have their 6-12 games this season and they'll be all the better for it in 2007, but they will not have cemented their spot either and they will not likely be able to step up and be back-up players at that point in their career. There would be a huge void if we had Roo, Edwards, Goody, Macca etc. interchanging Knights, Vince, VB, Porps etc. This is where we need the Doughty's and Massie's of our club, with a couple of the younger brigade a rung below that to gain experience.

 

[Canna7]

What are Matthew Bode's chances of staying in the senior side for the remainder of the year? Is he in your best 22 regardless of form or is he one of the fringe players in your senior side?

Particularly interested to know if he will maintain his high tackle count this season (dream team reasons).

 

[Alex99]

What are Matthew Bode's chances of staying in the senior side for the remainder of the year? Is he in your best 22 regardless of form or is he one of the fringe players in your senior side?

Particularly interested to know if he will maintain his high tackle count this season (dream team reasons).

His form has been good this season, a few hiccups along the way but over all he has been good.

If he keeps playing like he has I can see no reason why he won’t keep his place in the side.

So far out of 10 for the season I would give him a 6.5

 

[Gets!]

If he keeps playing like he has I can see no reason why he won’t keep his place in the side.

Yet you want to delist or trade him?

 

[Alex99]

Yet you want to delist or trade him?

That’s next year, 9 months away.

And I always simply wanted to find a permanent spot for Richard Douglas and at the moment a logical spot for him would be a half forward flank or forward pocket.

That’s currently Mathews Bode spot who is more than likely get picked over him if he is fit, if the AFC traded Mathew Bode or he was delisted they would look towards the future. I would hope.

 

[Allefgib]

Port Board, circa October 2004.

If we win this year I'll agree with you

However... if we don't win this year but are close and our senior players are still willing to stick around.. we would want another run at the 2007 flag. If that means 2008 is akin to 1999.. so be it... we are in this to win premierships and you never will if we keep trying to always bring on young guys and sacrifice the older stars.

 

[-CG-]

Retirements

Clarke
Torney (injury)

Delisting

Stevens
Skipworth
Griffin
Massie


Trade

Jericho (we could get a second round for him)
Bode (if not delist)

It’s tough on a few players but for the list to move forward tough decision have to be made on a few who have been around for 5 or 6 year and have not cemented there place.

The club would never delist Massie after playing him for the whole year. He doesnt deserve to be delisted anyway.

 

[Crow-mo]

Crows98,

you want to turnover 8 players per season?

I hope they never let you near my club then

 

[-VC-]

Crows98,

you want to turnover 8 players per season?

I hope they never let you near my club then

In fairness, he might've just been talking about this year because of the 'Super Draft'.

 

[The Crows Truth]

Make the tough call on a few players? I can and am very happy to make the tough call on a few players but I basically cannot see Adelaide Crows match committee going the same way.


I agree we need to blood some of these younger guys and give them game time before the A grade group of midfielders we have cannot longer do it. What mad me believe that the match committee wont make any major changes next year is that it’s round 10 and in my option Mathew Clarke and Rhett Biglands would have only play 4 or 5 good games and have not even come close to being dropped or rested

First off I would like to see a minimum of 8 player turned over from the list each year.

Some tough decisions should be made on a few players to create a few opening in the list. Massie, Clarke, Doughty, Torney, Bode, Biglands, Shirley, Skipworth and Stevens have all been in the AFL system for 5 or 6 years and basically have not cemented a spot in the team. They are the first player on the list to be looked at and I would trade or delist 4 out of that 8.

mate your not serious are you? most of these players are absolutely premanent membes of the team when they are fit.

8 changes per year is more appropriate for a team in crisis - something we are not. approx 5 is much more realistic

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Make the tough call on a few players? I can and am very happy to make the tough call on a few players but I basically cannot see Adelaide Crows match committee going the same way.


First off I would like to see a minimum of 8 player turned over from the list each year.

Some tough decisions should be made on a few players to create a few opening in the list. Massie, Clarke, Doughty, Torney, Bode, Biglands, Shirley, Skipworth and Stevens have all been in the AFL system for 5 or 6 years and basically have not cemented a spot in the team. They are the first player on the list to be looked at and I would trade or delist 4 out of that 8.

I


The 8 players I would cull from the 2006 Adelaide Football Club list for season 2007 would be

Retirements

Clarke
Torney (injury)

Delisting

Stevens
Skipworth
Griffin
Massie


Trade

Jericho (we could get a second round for him)
Bode (if not delist)

It’s tough on a few players but for the list to move forward tough decision have to be made on a few who have been around for 5 or 6 year and have not cemented there place.

Well "98" good on you for sticking your neck out and making some predictions - now you'll know what it's like, as I have, to withstand the mass reaction to your post.

Can't delist 8 players every year as you have to sign draftees on a 2 year contract....after 2 years you would have 16 players from 38 with less than 2 years experience. I know your including trades in that 8 turnover but frankly what you get rid off these days in all probability is what you'll get back.

Your suggesting Griffin be delisted but not Hinge?....lose a tall and retain a mid size player...now you may be right but I would have thought they might have a bit more patience with a 200cm mobile player (hell if Smith can stay on the list 5 years)

Massie won't be delisted, Bode won't be traded....Jericho yeah possibly but I hope not.

 

[Alex99]

Crows98,

you want to turnover 8 players per season?

I hope they never let you near my club then

Yeah I guess it was a bit of an overreaction on my behalf. Turning over 8 players every year is a bit unrealistic and certainly will get the list into trouble very quickly. I also don’t want to see the list getting stale and having the current player complacent about there place in the side and on the list.

We don’t want the Adelaide Crows to turn into the Australian Cricket side where it is harder to get into than get out of and the average age of a rookie is 26.