Changes For the sydney test

[Stormers]

Ok I have seen this been said time and time again here. That is S Marsh being selected. Shaun is NOT a good enough first class batsmen to make it at international level and he never will be. In the ODI and twenty20 versions he is superb, as most likely will be his brother. However is first class cricket he is not and believe me will NEVER get a baggy green. There is about 20+ batsmen infront of him at the moment.

Name 5 batsman in FC cricket you believe deserve a go before Marsh?

 

[Bazzar]

Ok I have seen this been said time and time again here. That is S Marsh being selected. Shaun is NOT a good enough first class batsmen to make it at international level and he never will be. In the ODI and twenty20 versions he is superb, as most likely will be his brother. However is first class cricket he is not and believe me will NEVER get a baggy green. There is about 20+ batsmen infront of him at the moment.

You obviously need to replace Jamie Cox as a selector, as you are with out doubt the most knowledgeable person in this thread.

Sheeze, for a moment I was almost going to believe so many ex test and first class cricket experts, who have backed Marsh in for the job… We are so lucky you have set he record straight.

 

[Yoda_]

Disagree. Marsh and Khawaja are EXACTLY what we need.

I look at it this way, our lineup at the moment has 5 strokemakers and Hussey, as well as Haddin at 7. You need some old fashioned "grafters" in your lineup. That is why I am not all for Callum Ferguson coming in as he is another strokemaker. You need some stodgy, uncompromising batsmen in your lineup. England have 3 in their top 6- Bell, Trott and Collingwood. That is a perfect setup with the 3 strokemakers in Cook, Strauss, and KP, as well as Prior.

Put it this way who are you banking on in SAVING a test...Hussey..and? You need more than one.

Well said Bno1

All for advocating Khawaja into the side, whilst a surprise call up for a David Hussey would not look out of place (purely on gut, nothing substantiated about this, just feel they could use some old heads in the team).

Of the bowlers to come in, this is the tricky question now, isnt it?

Who comes in?

 

[The_Reaper]

Ok I have seen this been said time and time again here. That is S Marsh being selected. Shaun is NOT a good enough first class batsmen to make it at international level and he never will be. In the ODI and twenty20 versions he is superb, as most likely will be his brother. However is first class cricket he is not and believe me will NEVER get a baggy green. There is about 20+ batsmen infront of him at the moment.

name 10 batsmen infront of him

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Well said Bno1

All for advocating Khawaja into the side, whilst a surprise call up for a David Hussey would not look out of place (purely on gut, nothing substantiated about this, just feel they could use some old heads in the team).

Of the bowlers to come in, this is the tricky question now, isnt it?

Who comes in?

I would be advocating Dave Hussey if it wasn't a one off test when the series is over. That said he is another strokemaker. I would much prefer to punt on Marsh or Khawaja. Test cricket is not about entertaining, it is about winning. Put it this way Kallis is one of the top players in test cricket EVER and he would put me to sleep half the time..but jeez he is effective!

Bowlers, first one is easy for mine- Trent Copeland.

Then I would have James Pattinson, Ben Cutting (if fit), Josh Hazelwood (if fit), Mitchell Strac (if fit), Clint McKay, Peter George

 

[The_Reaper]

I would be advocating Dave Hussey if it wasn't a one off test when the series is over. That said he is another strokemaker. I would much prefer to punt on Marsh or Khawaja. Test cricket is not about entertaining, it is about winning. Put it this way Kallis is one of the top players in test cricket EVER and he would put me to sleep half the time..but jeez he is effective!

Bowlers, first one is easy for mine- Trent Copeland.

Then I would have James Pattinson, Ben Cutting (if fit), Josh Hazelwood (if fit), Mitchell Strac (if fit), Clint McKay, Peter George

living in Sydney have you seen much of Cameron?

Could he be worth a shot?

Or is he behind Starc and Hazlewood?

 

[Yoda_]

I would be advocating Dave Hussey if it wasn't a one off test when the series is over. That said he is another strokemaker. I would much prefer to punt on Marsh or Khawaja. Test cricket is not about entertaining, it is about winning. Put it this way Kallis is one of the top players in test cricket EVER and he would put me to sleep half the time..but jeez he is effective!

Bowlers, first one is easy for mine- Trent Copeland.

Then I would have James Pattinson, Ben Cutting (if fit), Josh Hazelwood (if fit), Mitchell Strac (if fit), Clint McKay, Peter George

Dave Hussey can grind out innings, he has a strike rate of 55.77, 10th on the list for the highest strike rates, lower than Khawaja, Ferguson and even Cosgrove.

So that myth is a bust.

He has the ability to provide a very steady middle order replacement whilst a mature head and the ability to send down some handy spin if required.

(please note: I do not think they will make two changes to the batsmen in the line up with only Khawaja coming in, if anyone).

I think that it will be Mark Cameron first, 21 wickets at 15 in 4 games, whilst Copeland has 25 wickets at 21, either option would be a positive for the future of Australian cricket.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Honestly, he wouldn't be my choice as he doesn't get that many bags- I see him more like a Hilfenhaus- 1/2 wickets a innings sort of bowler. That said he bowled better in teh Australia A match than I expected. He does not make a first string NSW side. Copeland can bowl sides out. I would not even consider Starc, way too raw. Definately ODI cricket but his FC stats are very ordinary, you would be picking him on potential.

If I were to design a list it would be:

1. Copeland
2. Hazelwood (inj. due back soon though)
3. Pattinson
4. Ben Cutting (if fit)
5. Peter George
6.. Mark Cameron

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Dave Hussey can grind out innings, he has a strike rate of 55.77, 10th on the list for the highest strike rates, lower than Khawaja, Ferguson and even Cosgrove.

So that myth is a bust.

He has the ability to provide a very steady middle order replacement whilst a mature head and the ability to send down some handy spin if required.

(please note: I do not think they will make two changes to the batsmen in the line up with only Khawaja coming in, if anyone).

I think that it will be Mark Cameron first, 21 wickets at 15 in 4 games, whilst Copeland has 25 wickets at 21, either option would be a positive for the future of Australian cricket.

Not sold on Hussey, just hasn't done it consistently at the top level when he has got a chance. As I said if it was the 1st or 2nd test rather than the 5th he would be a solid option, but this is the 5th test and there is not another test for 7 months. I would say the younger option will be the first option, whether that be a Marsh, Khawaja, Cosgrove, Ferguson, etc.

Disagree on Cameron, and only because of what I have seen- his lack of massive bags of wickets. He is solid, but so is Hilfenhaus who has been poor in the test arena recently. My first two choices are Copeland and James Pattinson.

 

[Chris25]

George would have to be the first choice amongst young quicks, you don't just abandon someone after one game. He has just as much potential as anyone, and gets more bounce than any of the other possible candidates. And the English have shown how valuable bounce and swing are.

Also, I agree with the sentiments but Khawaja is no more of a battler than Ferguson. Both are technically correct stroke makers, in the Clarke mould. Having said that, I'd have them both in, but Khawaja is nothing like Trott or even Bell.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Khawaja has the technique to do what Trott does, Ferguson doesn't as he loses his head once he gets to 40. We don't need another one like that. Ferguson is a strokemaker, he can't help himself if he gets tied down. That said he has improved thats side of his game a bit this season and thus this is why he is having his best FC season to date.

My issue with George is his pace, and was bowling party pies in Hobart in the A game. That said I have barely seen him since, as I don't watch a lot of SA. However if he has improved his pace, could be worth a shot.

 

[Yoda_]

Not sold on Hussey, just hasn't done it consistently at the top level when he has got a chance. As I said if it was the 1st or 2nd test rather than the 5th he would be a solid option, but this is the 5th test and there is not another test for 7 months. I would say the younger option will be the first option, whether that be a Marsh, Khawaja, Cosgrove, Ferguson, etc.

Disagree on Cameron, and only because of what I have seen- his lack of massive bags of wickets. He is solid, but so is Hilfenhaus who has been poor in the test arena recently. My first two choices are Copeland and James Pattinson.

I do agree that the younger guys are probably going to get the games before any of the older heads.

So yeah, looks like it will be:

1. Khawaja
2. Ferguson
3. White
4. Cosgrove

Just on Cameron, 68 wickets at 24 is fairly good bowling in anyones opinion, including 5 - 5 wicket hauls and 2 10 wicket match hauls in his 16 matches.

He is 28 (born 31st January, 1981 - didnt realise he was so old, thought he was 24), so that may go against him, and with an injury history like he does, he would probably be overlooked for the younger guys like Copeland.

I was actually thinking of Copeland (looking at his stats now ). 60 wickets at 19, that is good in anyones books. So, at 24, he should seriously come into calculations.

 

[Bazzar]

Age is against Dave Hussy. 100% wont play in Sydney next week, and our next test in Aug/Sept 2011 means he is NOT part of our future.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I do agree that the younger guys are probably going to get the games before any of the older heads.

So yeah, looks like it will be:

1. Khawaja
2. Ferguson
3. White
4. Cosgrove

Just on Cameron, 68 wickets at 24 is fairly good bowling in anyones opinion, including 5 - 5 wicket hauls and 2 10 wicket match hauls in his 16 matches.

He is 28 (born 31st January, 1981 - didnt realise he was so old, thought he was 24), so that may go against him, and with an injury history like he does, he would probably be overlooked for the younger guys like Copeland.

I was actually thinking of Copeland (looking at his stats now ). 60 wickets at 19, that is good in anyones books. So, at 24, he should seriously come into calculations.

The younger guys will definitely be getting the gig, and so they should at this stage of the series. No point picking a guy who will be turning 35 when we play our next test after Sydney.

1. Khawaja
2. Sean Marsh
3. Ferguson
4. Cosgrove
5. Maddinson (note: will need to perform in the latter part of the season)

WHITE IS NOWHERE NEAR IT, his form is scratchy and aside from the hundred in the A Game, has barely hit it off the square this season.

As for Cameron, lets remember that 2 of the 5 wicket hauls are from the Brisbane game where lets be honest it was an absolute greentop- you would have got a 5 for on that wicket! He goes through games too much like Hilfenhaus for my liking, and this comes from someone that watches basically every day of Shield cricket at the ground. He is not nearly as threatening as Copeland is. That said his stats are good, I agree there. I just see a bit too much of "solid, but not much more" about him.

Copeland on the other hand bowls sides out in a range of conditions, flat, seaming, whatever and 60 wickets at 19 is amazing to say the least.

 

[eddiesmith]

George would have to be the first choice amongst young quicks, you don't just abandon someone after one game. He has just as much potential as anyone, and gets more bounce than any of the other possible candidates. And the English have shown how valuable bounce and swing are.

Also, I agree with the sentiments but Khawaja is no more of a battler than Ferguson. Both are technically correct stroke makers, in the Clarke mould. Having said that, I'd have them both in, but Khawaja is nothing like Trott or even Bell.

They love abandoning players after 1 game, Clint McKay goes from playing a test to the very bottom of the pile with atleast 10-12 bowlers being picked in the last 12 months ahead of him

 

[happy_eagle]

Age is against Dave Hussy. 100% wont play in Sydney next week, and our next test in Aug/Sept 2011 means he is NOT part of our future.

Shouldnt select on age in the Ashes
Although there is probably a case to play younger players now we have lost

Usually if you are in with a chance to win, you select the best 11, and then blood youngsters in other series

 

[aneale]

They love abandoning players after 1 game, Clint McKay goes from playing a test to the very bottom of the pile with atleast 10-12 bowlers being picked in the last 12 months ahead of him

He was already at the bottom of the pile, it's called lack of options and he had a CA contract from playing an ODI the month before.

Middle aged hacks aren't what we need, he's one if you've ever seen one. Worst West Indian team in 50 years and and he went wicketless at the WACA in the first innings and got 1 in the second. Even Hauritz managed to get 4 wickets on the WACA strip.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

lol

a poll done by all of Australia wouldn't want White anywhere near the team let alone captain

Actually it would...don't confuse your personal view with that of the country.

Unfortunately the selectors are pretty much stupid so you won't see White picked, you'll see Ponting given another 2 years because they don't want to hand it over to Clarke, by which time Clarke will have been dropped, there'll be no suitable alternatives, and our captain will be whoever wins the paper scissors rock game in the dressing room, because they still won't pick White.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

Surprise, surprise...

Been reported in the media today that the selectors are considering only minimal changes for Sydney. Khawaja will come in for Ponting if his finger doesn't come good, and Beer will come in for Harris. BUT, even if Ponting is right to play, Khawaja will come in for Harris and Smith will play as a specialist bowler.

Once again, our selectors show they are a pack of idiots.

Firstly, Smith has shown that there is no way he can hold down a specialist spinners spot. He currently averages 51, and every single one of his three lonely wickets came in his first innings. Since then, he's gone wicketless. Shouldn't be too much of a surprise, though. He averages 46 in FC too.

Secondly, the decision to play one spinner or two should be based on the CONDITIONS OF THE PITCH, not the conditions of Ponting's finger. The option of brining in Khawaja for Harris while retaining Ponting reeks of desperation. They know Ponting isn't up to it, but don't have the guts to either drop him, or force him to rest... so bring in an extra batsman to cover. IMHO, Ponting should be focusing on getting 100% for the World Cup.

And much as I hate to say it, how can Hilfenhaus continue to get a game? I'm generally a fan and usually would prefer him to Siddle. But he has an average of 75 this series, with only 4 wickets. Surely this justifies bringing someone else in? Copeland? Swan? Butterworth? SOMEONE. We just got destroyed by an innings, surely the selectors don't think have the right cattle out on the park?

 

[gandaal]

1. Shane Watson
2. Shaun Marsh
3. Usman Khawaja
4. Mike Hussey
5. David Hussey
6. Steven Smith
7. Brad Haddin (c)
8. Andrew McDonald
9. Shaun O'Keefe
10. Mitchell Johnson
11. Trent Copeland

That's the team I want in Sydney.

 

[legend166]

I just can't see why they'd pick Beer as a specialist spinner over Smith. Stupid choice.

Let me clarify - I can see why you'd pick Hauritz or O'Keefe as a specialist spinner over Smith. But Beer? Pointless. Especially since their reasoning for Beer at the WACA was home ground knowledge (lol). Smith actually has history of performing at the SCG (he got 8 wickets in his last game there).

 

[CarlosSETANTA]

Wish people would stop giving this Governator guy creedence. The constant attempts to come across as some sort of definitive authority on the test team, whilst creating some sort of character is just awful. And that's just reading this board, I don't bother to listen to the thoughts of the long term unemployed and mentally disabled on SEN.

You've posted the same team about 10 times in this thread. Finch isn't getting picked. No-one cares. Please just stop. You are just awful to read.

 

[Sylvia Saint]

Does anyone know when the squad is announced? The Herald Sun seems to think it will be today sometime.

If all they do is add Khawaja and Beer and remove Harris, I'll scream. We all know that's what will happen though. Prove me wrong Hilditch!

 

[Chris25]

Khawaja has the technique to do what Trott does, Ferguson doesn't as he loses his head once he gets to 40. We don't need another one like that. Ferguson is a strokemaker, he can't help himself if he gets tied down. That said he has improved thats side of his game a bit this season and thus this is why he is having his best FC season to date.

My issue with George is his pace, and was bowling party pies in Hobart in the A game. That said I have barely seen him since, as I don't watch a lot of SA. However if he has improved his pace, could be worth a shot.

Ferguson has matured a lot this season, and I would feel pretty comfortable with him in the middle order. His performances for Australia so far have highlighted that he can adapt to a number of different circumstances, and I see no reason he couldn't do the same in Test cricket. The Redbacks top order would have to be one of the slowest in the country, so extra pressure has been put on Ferguson to score relatively quickly. That would change in the Australian team, and he could play a more natural game.

And George has improved his pace a good 5-10km/hour since last season, and he will only get faster as he gets stronger. He had an off day for Australia A, but he has the bounce and swing to have an impact for Australia while he develops physically.

 

[Axel.]

I'm guessing it's somewhere between 3-4pm.