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Freo's problem is we seem to chase the big trade targets and then hold back at nothing to get them.


In the end I agree with you, we put too much faith in recruiting ready made players.
At the same time we put too much faith in the current squad we have, we persist for years with players that are never going to reach their potential. Polak should have been traded years earlier.

We need to find a good mix of both recruiting and drafting, the eagles have recruited Stenglien and Chick while developing their young players.

But you can't deny the fact that the likes of Cousins, Judd, Kerr are rare find's, you could hang on to every pick we have and trade for more pick's and still not find a player anywhere their calibre.

It is all a calculated gamble.

What isnt a gamble is persisiting with dead wood, undiscplined players or one M Pavlich.

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Spot on.

Why waste spots on our list for the likes of a Benet Copping when he has shown very little in his time at Freo or playing with East Perth. He should have been delisted last year and his rookie spot should have gone to a young midfielder. We have enough of his size at the club. This is an example of what the club has done for the last 6 years. Hold on to players for too long. Rumble could also fit into that catergory - good WAFL player but not big enough to be a KPP in defence. Why beef up with players of this size when it was obvious to everyone in the country that we needed midfielders!!!!

Gilmore has been at the club since 2003...Browne we got in the 2001 draft. Haines was on our list for too long for little reward.
 
Is he ???

My understanding he is Freo through and through and was quite cut when we didnt draft him.


Definitely a weagle. 100%.

There was an article on him in The West prior to the 2004 draft when he nominated but wasn't picked up. He had a weagle shirt on in the photo. Then Dennis mentioned a couple of weeks ago during a North game that he was such a huge weagle fan prior to getting drafted that he got an after school job in the weagles' travel agency so he could be closer to them....

Also, he's getting married at the ripe old age of 20, eh? The other gist of that article on him (apart from that he was hoping to get drafted) was that he was a committed Christian and part of the growing group of Christian youth who were not "doing it" until they were married. Poor kid, must be pretty desperate for it if he's getting married at 20... ;)
 
Possible Out (From most likely to less so):
Parker (Retires)
Cook (Retires)
Longmuir (Retires)
Haddrill (Retires)
Gilmore
Duffield
Browne
Webster
Dunn
Walker

Mourish also to be a possible to go from the seniors to the Rookie list.

Trade Bait:
Murphy
Campbell

Rookie List:
Foster (Upgraded)
Copping (Delisted)
 

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Urgh ... WHAT?


IMO, if you can't develop youth then you shouldn't be in the AFL. Simple.

Fully agree, and forget Pagen and Sheedy cos they wouldn't play the games Schwab would expect them to. The club will get someone that can ... help build the brand, build a winning environment, follow the performance indicators blah, blah, blah.

...makes me sick.

I get more satisfaction out of watching Geelong come on than Freo at the moment. Bunch of blokes all playing for each other.
 
Fully agree, and forget Pagen and Sheedy cos they wouldn't play the games Schwab would expect them to. The club will get someone that can ... help build the brand, build a winning environment, follow the performance indicators blah, blah, blah.

...makes me sick.

I get more satisfaction out of watching Geelong come on than Freo at the moment. Bunch of blokes all playing for each other.

Amazing what a difference a year makes, Geelong have just been down this same road.
 
Amazing what a difference a year makes, Geelong have just been down this same road.


We've been down this road the last 4 years. Twice it went pear shaped, last year we managed to string 9 games together. If we miss the 8 this year that'll be 3 failures in 4 years and no coach should be retained with that record.
 
Its going to be crap losing Murphy or Campbell..... Even though it is nessesary
Definately will be crap but at the current moment its almost impossible to keep them both unless one of them is played out of position but given our need for speed i'd rather the draft picks ATM and i actually leaning towards letting Murphy go but thats coz i'm jus a big fan of Campbell's aggression.
 
My thoughts are that Connolly has to go. The record speaks for itself. Promote Harvey or target Voss or Laidley even.

Walker should not have been given a contract this year.
Parker - gone.
M Carr is a good shut down player and he has had a good year compared to some. Every team needs one of them.
Cook is past it. (Bad coaching decision to play him in forward pocket over Campbell, Collard or Murphy - actually not just bad, completely stupido!)

Haddrill is 26, give him one year if he can string some games together.
We are not going to get a season out of Browne, such a shame coz he would have been handy in the opening half of the season.
Is Webster going to make it?, he seems to be on the fringe a fair bit so could be trade bait possibly.
 
Urgh ... WHAT?

Idiocy knows no bounds it seems.

Who is Moody? Is he any good? NO. Hare-brained idea at best.

Why is it that Fremantle has a fear of playing and developing young players
and look for the easy trade? It hasn't worked in 13 years, and it isn't going to start working now.

IMO, if you can't develop youth then you shouldn't be in the AFL. Simple.

Look at Port - finished outside of the 8 last year, have brought some young guns in (take a look at a bloke named Robert Gray who's kicked 4 goals in a half against Essendon), and now sit above us, the supposed premiership favourites.

The way I see it, Port is meant to be rebuilding. We should be doing better than them.

Or look at, and I hesitate to say this, West Coast. Won the flag last year. Playing Priddis who is accumulating disposals. Have a Rising Star nominee in Hurn who is carving up with long kicks. They have a younger side than us by YEARS.
I'm glad you hesitated. You'd hate to be wrong. Hurn is an upper age first round draft pick who played 5 games in his first season. Priddis is almost a mature age rookie at 22. Its not comparable to our situation. West Coast have hardly pushed youth. West Coast actually held back a lot of their players over 2002-2003 while they accumulated WAFL experience.

There are two examples of clubs not afraid to push youth. One is a club that is rebuilding after being at the pinnacle 3 years ago. Another is a club currently at the pinnacle.

Where do we sit? Afraid to take a chance on youth and trading for "experience" conservatively. And flailing around at the bottom end of the ladder.
Your inference is we're flailing around the bottom of the ladder because e don't play youth. Thats not it. It's a combination of issues none of which youth development is the bottom of the list.

After this round, it is extremely likely we'll be two wins away from 10th place. Shit season.
If true and the season is shot then the youngster will likely get 5 games into them.

I think a youth only possibility will definitely shoot our season dead -- when their is a smidgin of hope. I wouldn't like to see Connolly have an excuse.
 
Parker - Retire
Cook - Retire??
Mcmanus - Retire??
Haddrill - Delisted
Browne - Delisted
Copping - Delisted
Rumble - Delisted

Webster, Gilmore & Walker are all good fringe/utility players and should be retained until we can replace them, at least make the young up and comers earn there spots dont just hand them to them...

Murphy is quality, he's a young (22) KPP who averaged 5.4 marks and 1.8 goals a game in 2006, with more experience/development he will be a star, we shouldn't even consider trading him. Besides if we get a new coach no way in the world are they trading him, they'd get just as excited as we all did with the prospect of having Pavlich, Tarrant, Murphy and Farmer up forward (which we are still yet to see).
 

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Murphy is quality, he's a young (22) KPP who averaged 5.4 marks and 1.8 goals a game in 2006, with more experience/development he will be a star, we shouldn't even consider trading him. Besides if we get a new coach no way in the world are they trading him, they'd get just as excited as we all did with the prospect of having Pavlich, Tarrant, Murphy and Farmer up forward (which we are still yet to see).


I agree with you, but if you were Ryan Murphy would you want to be the 3rd or 4th best tall forward at Freo or the 2nd tall at a club in your home town? Even in 2009 I can't see how we can fit Campbell, Murphy and Drum into the side.
 

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