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[Mego Red]

There's not that many potential "in" candidates.

I think either McAsey or Murray needs to come in for McPherson. We're too small down back.

Worrall can be a Hamill replacement - he's not a key defender yet, so let him be a connector down back.

Mackay can replace Lynch as the sub, and Lynch can have a proper week off.

Newchurch is promising but miles off it. He's not really offering enough defensive impact in the twos yet. He's at least a year away.

If Berry comes back, I think he's in for Rowe. But Murphy should be concerned - his numbers are horrific for a small forward currently. McAdam survives due to lack of options.

 

[hey shorty]

Might have wasted pick 38 reaching for that good news story.

He's got good skills but he doesnt look athletic enough to play AFL. Was a forward pressure beast in the SANFL but doesnt show any of this in the big league.

Athleticism can be worked on, and he'll do the work.

His defensive side was always going to be the issue, with Rowey his challenge is finding a way to stay involved when he doesn't have the ball.

 

[Betts are off]

Regarding FOG, I know he’s not lighting the world on fire, but I feel like every game he’s inching closer to that super confident junior footy player that was dominant at every level.

Personally I still think he’s a forward in the end, but in a year where we are developing the team, I really don’t mind him playing the midfield minutes to get him into the game. Feel like if we persist with him something special will emerge, but dropping him will all but nail the coffin shut.

 

[thebirdman 24]

Mchenry was the best of our small forwards for sure yesterday. Rowe and Murphy were dreadful and Mcadam i class as a medium (who was also dreadful).

4 free kicks against though is shocking. Needs to cut that out the aggro shit and not be so clumsy.

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[hey shorty]

Mchenry was the best of our small forwards for sure yesterday. Rowe and Murphy were dreadful and Mcadam i class as a medium (who was also dreadful).

4 free kicks against though is shocking. Needs to cut that out the aggro sh*t and not be so clumsy.

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2 of those FA weren't there though. A non-throw that was called one and a HTB that wasn't.

 

[Betts are off]

2 of those FA weren't there though. A non-throw that was called one and a HTB that wasn't.

The tackle over the line on O'Meara was exceptionally marginal as well IMO. If it was the other way around I highly doubt the umpire calls it on O'Meara

 

[skittlebrew]

Also now that we've seen Thilthorpe there is no reason at all to play Himmelberg or Frampton. He's basically made the tall pack marking forward role his.

Hopefully we have enough time to find and develop a replacement before Tex hangs up the boots.

 

[Golumless]

At some stage someone in the coaching staff will come up with a radical idea to put the heat on our small forwards to start kicking goals, multiple goals.
Sure they attempt to chase, are pests and have a defensive role but are they effective?

League averages per game this season (FootyWire)
League Ranking / Disposals average per game this season
365th - McHenry 11.67
370 - Murphy 11.5
378 - Rowe 11.17
471 - McAdam 7.2

Tackles average per game
20th - McAdam 2.17
73 - Rowe 1.17
95 - McHenry .83
152 - Murphy .50

Goal assists per game
73rd - Rowe .67
99 - McAdam .50
184 - Murphy .33
184 - McHenry .33

Goals per game average
20th - McAdam 2.17
73 - Rowe 1.17
95 - McHenry .83
152 - Murphy .50

Frees against per game average
9th - McHenry 2.33
15 - McAdam 2
388 - Murphy .33
388 - Rowe .33

I keep reading how good McHenry and Murphy are defensively but I don't see it.
They aren't huge accumulators and their tackle numbers aren't startling for a group of supposedly defensive minded forwards.
Apart from McAdam their goal production is less than 2 goals a game and they rank low with goal assist numbers.

I agree all are inexperienced, learning their trade and need games but the team needs greater production out of this group.
They need to start hitting the scoreboard regularly.

You've accidentally copied their goals average in the tackles column. I'll also add some stats you can pick up from AFL stats section, which help pad out this story.

Tackles:

Murphy: 3.7
McHenry: 2.7
Rowe: 2.2
McAdam: 1.8

Pressure Acts:

McHenry: 19.3
Murphy: 16.5
Rowe: 12.8
McAdam: 11.3

Score Involvements:

Murphy: 4.8
McHenry: 4.5
Rowe: 3.7
McAdam: 3.7

It's also worth noting how we want to play is pretty important here. The current dynasty for instance has got similar offensive output out of their small forwards as we have throughout their run. Though they had three reliable avenues to goal for most of their premierships elsewhere.

At the moment though, we seem like a side in an early rebuild. Ned is fine for a 10-20 game player, but will need to ramp that production up a tad (and lower the amount of horrific plays) to really cement his spot. Murphy is probably a bit more of an extreme Ned this season, but not that big of a problem at the moment. Rowe could be due some SANFL time to work on his game, kind of average to poor at everything, but there is a player there. McAdam has gone full Menzel this year. On track for 40+ but is an absolute blackhole outside of it.

At the moment, I'd replace McAdam first. Though that's more to give him a rocket as his forward play has been rather lazy in the past month. There is value in having a player like him around our forward mix if we're willing to select players who'll cover him though.

Newchurch eventually comes in, he's had a good year in the SANFL so far (and I disagree with defense comments earlier, he's averaging 3 tackles a game at the moment). Dudley will also add another wrinkle when we get him as an NGA.

 

[Golumless]

There's not that many potential "in" candidates.

I think either McAsey or Murray needs to come in for McPherson. We're too small down back.

Worrall can be a Hamill replacement - he's not a key defender yet, so let him be a connector down back.

Mackay can replace Lynch as the sub, and Lynch can have a proper week off.

Newchurch is promising but miles off it. He's not really offering enough defensive impact in the twos yet. He's at least a year away.

If Berry comes back, I think he's in for Rowe. But Murphy should be concerned - his numbers are horrific for a small forward currently. McAdam survives due to lack of options.

Newchurch could easily replace McAdam at the moment, and McAdam needs some time in the twos. Looks like he has gotten way ahead of himself as a player.

Probably improve our defense too seeing McAdam is like a key forward in those attributes.

 

[Mego Red]

Newchurch could easily replace McAdam at the moment, and McAdam needs some time in the twos. Looks like he has gotten way ahead of himself as a player.

McAdam is still getting a goal or two a game, and making a couple of tackles.

Newchurch looks MILES off it at the minute. A great prospect, but he's just running around without really impacting the game the majority of the time.

Hell, if we want to give him a taste, then sure. But it's just another small forward running around but not doing that much.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Athleticism can be worked on, and he'll do the work.

His defensive side was always going to be the issue, with Rowey his challenge is finding a way to stay involved when he doesn't have the ball.

Some athletic traits can be worked on. Endurance and strength can improve. His lack of speed though is something we're just going to have to accept. It's not easy to make it as a small forward these days if you're not quick.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

What were Charlie Cameron

23

Charlie Cameron

Age

31

Ht

180cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.5

5star

D

9.6

2star

K

7.9

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.7

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.2

4star

's SANFL numbers like?

 

[Ian_Perries_Glove]

This is a bit out there, but if we are determined to play Luke Brown

16

Luke Brown

Age

33

Ht

181cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

8.9

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

273.4

4star

D

11.7

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

2.4

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.4

2star

MG

273.4

4star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

when he's out of form, I wouldn't be against sending him forward to play as a genuine pressure forward. He seems like a dude who really needs a change-up, plus from all reports he's an exceptionally good set shot given the opportunity.

Drop McAdam or Rowe and send Brown forward to try and spark him back to life a bit. Could even play as a lockdown on a guy like Ash as a main role, and then try and snag a sausage roll or 2 in the process.

He can always go back during the game if needed.

Don’t mind that suggestion. There or the midfield. I also think Murphy could play as a small defender.

 

[skittlebrew]

At some stage someone in the coaching staff will come up with a radical idea to put the heat on our small forwards to start kicking goals, multiple goals.
Sure they attempt to chase, are pests and have a defensive role but are they effective?

League averages per game this season (FootyWire)
League Ranking / Disposals average per game this season
365th - McHenry 11.67
370 - Murphy 11.5
378 - Rowe 11.17
471 - McAdam 7.2

Tackles average per game
20th - McAdam 2.17
73 - Rowe 1.17
95 - McHenry .83
152 - Murphy .50

Goal assists per game
73rd - Rowe .67
99 - McAdam .50
184 - Murphy .33
184 - McHenry .33

Goals per game average
20th - McAdam 2.17
73 - Rowe 1.17
95 - McHenry .83
152 - Murphy .50

Frees against per game average
9th - McHenry 2.33
15 - McAdam 2
388 - Murphy .33
388 - Rowe .33

I keep reading how good McHenry and Murphy are defensively but I don't see it.
They aren't huge accumulators and their tackle numbers aren't startling for a group of supposedly defensive minded forwards.
Apart from McAdam their goal production is less than 2 goals a game and they rank low with goal assist numbers.

I agree all are inexperienced, learning their trade and need games but the team needs greater production out of this group.
They need to start hitting the scoreboard regularly.

Great post - Exactly this. Tough pill to swallow for the Ned and Murphy fans on here.

 

[Golumless]

McAdam is still getting a goal or two a game, and making a couple of tackles.

Newchurch looks MILES off it at the minute. A great prospect, but he's just running around without really impacting the game the majority of the time.

Hell, if we want to give him a taste, then sure. But it's just another small forward running around but not doing that much.

McAdam right now needs to be brought back to earth. There is a bit of playing like a millionaire to Shane at the moment offensively with how he's just trying to wrestle opponents instead of using his speed to lead at the ball carrier. In terms of defense, McAdam has been straight up awful this year. 1.8 tackles and 11.2 PA. Those are numbers which are only acceptable as a key forward.

It's like Thiltorpe a week ago. The form might not be there, but the opportunity is.

 

[hey shorty]

What were Charlie Cameron's SANFL numbers like?

Above average on attack, elite in defence.

 

[Murray2503]

Who plays on Toby Greene?

Will almost be the most decisive contest of the game.

Mackay will step up.

 

[Mego Red]

McAdam right now needs to be brought back to earth. There is a bit of playing like a millionaire to Shane at the moment offensively with how he's just trying to wrestle opponents instead of using his speed to lead at the ball carrier. In terms of defense, McAdam has been straight up awful this year. 1.8 tackles and 11.2 PA. Those are numbers which are only acceptable as a key forward.

It's like Thiltorpe a week ago. The form might not be there, but the opportunity is.

You know what - sure. Maybe it says some good things about offering opportunity, and taking it when it's given.

McAdam looks off the pace and maybe needs a spell for a week. Or maybe he just needs a bit of a shakeup as his forward pressure isn't what it was.

 

[Mego Red]

Above average on attack, elite in defence.

Neither of those things are numbers ...

 

[hey shorty]

Neither of those things are numbers ...

Think he was averaging well over a goal a game and about 5/6 tackles. Was 2014 though so it's hard to find stats.

Didn't play as a small forward much in the SANFL.

 

[Murray2503]

Kelly... some here think he’s alright. Let’s see.

We will have to put pressure on the players delivering it to him. Will likely kick 4 minimum. We just need to keep it no higher.

 

[UcantCme]

Worrell needs to be rewarded for hisnconsistency and play this week

I also wouldn't mind seeing Newchurch come in at the expense of one of Murphy or Rowe

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[Burtonsgottago]

We will have to put pressure on the players delivering it to him. Will likely kick 4 minimum. We just need to keep it no higher.

I just want to see Kelly play on him and prove me wrong. He’s got the experience. Why should a rookie get the job ahead of a senior getting a free ride?

 

[Betts are off]

Worrell needs to be rewarded for hisnconsistency and play this week

I also wouldn't mind seeing Newchurch come in at the expense of one of Murphy or Rowe

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I think there is about a 99% chance he gets his opportunity this weekend

 

[Alwaysacrow]

Rowe was much much worse than Ned yesterday

I agree which is why I said Rowe may have to go back to the 2nds if he doesn't pick it up, but overall he's shown way more than Ned. Ned has done nothing to impress me yet.