Preview Changes: R7 vs GWS

[Murray2503]

Yeah... but expose the kid to a couple of games of AFL and when his intensity and defensive pressure is shown to be well below AFL standard.. get the tape out and show him where he’s going wrong and explain that if he is to make it he needs to improve these parts of his game.

give him a taste in front of a massive adelaide crowd then send him away to work on his faults.

kid has xfactor, talent and a ton of speed. Get him in.. he will provide more than Rowe is at the moment and he might also learn something more than he ever could in the SANFL.

The SANFL isnt really teaching these lads anything at present.. we have too many injuries to our AFL players and far too many spud top ups..

whats to lose?..

May have an Andy McLeod first game and exceed expectations. We have nothing to lose as the encumbents may as well not be out there.

 

[CrowBloke]

Himmelberg showed today that for every mark he takes, he will drop an easier one or miss everything from a set shot.

Yes, Himmelberg undoes a lot of his good work with his bad.
Watching on Sunday, my mate and I thought the game turned on the Himmelberg miss. He kicks that goal, might have shut the door on the Hawks, mentally. Instead, they rebounded and within a short time were within two kicks off the lead.

 

[Murray2503]

Yes, Himmelberg undoes a lot of his good work with his bad.
Watching on Sunday, my mate and I thought the game turned on the Himmelberg miss. He kicks that goal, might have shut the door on the Hawks, mentally. Instead, they rebounded and within a short time were within two kicks of the lead.

Hasn't played AFL since last September. He had a nearly game. We should have kicked at least 1 goal from Keays, McAdam, Berg misses. The Berg and Keays misses were god awful. I would take 50% good / 50% bad from Himmelberg over Framptons 90% bad 10% good. Himmelberg needs to stick his marks better.

They lost the game in the 3rd quarter when their midfield led by O'Meara started dominating us. We should have tagged him. Also our defence was very poor and the structure was wrong which means selection influenced the loss. Hawthorn's defence was also very poor.

 

[Sanders]

Out: Rowe Hamill Lynch
In: McAsey Mackay McSloane

 

[Alwaysacrow]

Could be our last win for a while if we can manage it. Very tough run of games after this. I'm not too concerned though as I want a top 4 pick again this draft.

 

[hey shorty]

Depends which GWS turn up.

They're down on troops, they have 1 forward, albeit an extremely good one but they'll still expect to win this one.

Players want to win every game and think they're a chance, but our boys will know it gets tough from here and this is a big chance.

 

[Betts are off]

Depends which GWS turn up.

They're down on troops, they have 1 forward, albeit an extremely good one but they'll still expect to win this one.

Players want to win every game and think they're a chance, but our boys will know it gets tough from here and this is a big chance.

For the 3rd game in a row I think we will have the better forward line and defense. But they have the will have the better midfield.

If our guys in the guts can match it with them for 4 quarters we win, but if they allow the opposition to get on top like Freo and Hawthorn did in the 2nd half, then its going to be an eerily similar story.

 

[Betts are off]

Could be our last win for a while if we can manage it. Very tough run of games after this. I'm not too concerned though as I want a top 4 pick again this draft.

Yep, Rory and Matt, if you wouldn't mind coming back now... I feel like some results may get ugly without at least one of you

 

[Donkey Magoo]

Donkey, where have you been mate?

I had been a little busy. I have more time now it’s great

 

[DJ75]

Watching us over the last few weeks, I think we have made errors in selections - primarily around our backlines.

We have made a conscious decision to play one tall defender and to go in undersized against our opponents. Instead of playing Murray, we have tried using Doedee and Kelly.
On the surface, we can probably point to some statistics and 'prove' that it works - the opposition talls aren't getting all the goals. However, I think it has unbalanced our players and we have become very aware of being undersized and as such Tom and Jake are overcompensating. The result is that Tom and Jake are leaving their players and crashing every aerial contest in a bid to help out Butts and kill the ball in the air. The result is that one or both of them have players left on the ground alone. I think both of Fremantle's first two goals were directly related to this.

On the weekend, Hawthorn were smart enough (or rather Clarkson was) to realise that this is what was happening and so instead of letting Doedee play his normal game, they hit up his man. Knowing he was playing off his man and looking to cover in the air, they put the ball out in front of his opponent. It destroyed Tom's game.

It means that we have limited the effectiveness of one of our own best players.

We need to go back to having two tall defenders. This will allow Doedee the opportunity to play his normal game and read the ball as he normally would.

It probably means we need to drop either Kelly or MacPherson. Right now it is probably MacPherson.
I would bring Murray in over McAsey. I know McAsey played well on the weekend, but I'd like him to really build confidence over a few weeks before bringing him up again.

My changes this week would be:

OUT: MacPherson (Omit), Hamill (ankle), Rowe (Omit), Lynch (getting dressed)

IN: Murray, Worrell, Berry, Mackay (Sub)

Of course, we will probably make as few changes as possible because of that all important 'continuity' premiership we are chasing...

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

Watching us over the last few weeks, I think we have made errors in selections - primarily around our backlines.

We have made a conscious decision to play one tall defender and to go in undersized against our opponents. Instead of playing Murray, we have tried using Doedee and Kelly.
On the surface, we can probably point to some statistics and 'prove' that it works - the opposition talls aren't getting all the goals. However, I think it has unbalanced our players and we have become very aware of being undersized and as such Tom and Jake are overcompensating. The result is that Tom and Jake are leaving their players and crashing every aerial contest in a bid to help out Butts and kill the ball in the air. The result is that one or both of them have players left on the ground alone. I think both of Fremantle's first two goals were directly related to this.

On the weekend, Hawthorn were smart enough (or rather Clarkson was) to realise that this is what was happening and so instead of letting Doedee play his normal game, they hit up his man. Knowing he was playing off his man and looking to cover in the air, they put the ball out in front of his opponent. It destroyed Tom's game.

It means that we have limited the effectiveness of one of our own best players.

We need to go back to having two tall defenders. This will allow Doedee the opportunity to play his normal game and read the ball as he normally would.

It probably means we need to drop either Kelly or MacPherson. Right now it is probably MacPherson.
I would bring Murray in over McAsey. I know McAsey played well on the weekend, but I'd like him to really build confidence over a few weeks before bringing him up again.

My changes this week would be:

OUT: MacPherson (Omit), Hamill (ankle), Rowe (Omit), Lynch (getting dressed)

IN: Murray, Worrell, Berry, Mackay (Sub)

You are right with the backline analysis. Need an extra tall back there. Id like to see Worrell get a chance in that role. He replaces Hamil. Lynch out, MacKay as sub. We have 2 games at Adelaide Oval, changed my mind and would keep Rowe in.

 

[Slippery Pete]

May have an Andy McLeod first game and exceed expectations. We have nothing to lose as the encumbents may as well not be out there.

McLeod was terrible in his first game, hardly touched the ball.

If you’re thinking of winning goal v Hawthorn, that was game number two.

 

[DJ75]

You are right with the backline analysis. Need an extra tall back there. Id like to see Worrell get a chance in that role. He replaces Hamil. Lynch out, MacKay as sub. We have 2 games at Adelaide Oval, changed my mind and would keep Rowe in.

Thought about Rowe at home. Need Berry in though, so either Rowe, Murphy or McHenry are out. I think it is probably Rowe.

 

[CrowBloke]

At some stage someone in the coaching staff will come up with a radical idea to put the heat on our small forwards to start kicking goals, multiple goals.
Sure they attempt to chase, are pests and have a defensive role but are they effective?

League averages per game this season (FootyWire)
League Ranking / Disposals average per game this season
365th - McHenry 11.67
370 - Murphy 11.5
378 - Rowe 11.17
471 - McAdam 7.2

Tackles average per game
85th-Murphy 3.67
139 - McHenry 2.83
234 - Rowe 2.17
297 - McAdam 1.83

Goal assists per game
73rd - Rowe .67
99 - McAdam .50
184 - Murphy .33
184 - McHenry .33

Goals per game average
20th - McAdam 2.17
73 - Rowe 1.17
95 - McHenry .83
152 - Murphy .50

Frees against per game average
9th - McHenry 2.33
15 - McAdam 2
388 - Murphy .33
388 - Rowe .33

I keep reading how good McHenry and Murphy are defensively but I don't see it.
They aren't huge accumulators and their tackle numbers aren't startling for a group of supposedly defensive minded forwards.
Apart from McAdam their goal production is less than 2 goals a game and they rank low with goal assist numbers.

I agree all are inexperienced, learning their trade and need games but the team needs greater production out of this group.
They need to start hitting the scoreboard regularly.

Really interesting numbers, thanks. Unimpressive, aren't they?
Look at the smalls that Adelaide recruited after Richmond's 2017 win (other teams did, too, going for speed and hoping for increased defensive pressure as well as goalscoring) --- add Gallucci and Jones to the above 4.
Gallucci/ delisted.
Jones/ a total mystery, doubtful whether he will make it at AFL level for us.
Murphy/ needs to kick more goals
McAdam/ has got to get MotY out of his head and focus on crumbing/tackling
McHenry/ needs to do a lot more than be a pest
Rowe/ love his enthusiasm and goal-kicking joy but he was invisible on Sunday.

Long-term, McAdam might make it, maybe one of Murphy/McHenry, but that's it (the big win has been Sholl on a wing, can definitely football).

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

The one structural change we need to make is to ensure Doedee is not standing a KPf.
I get that some teams only have one big target up forward so going with only one KPd (Butts ATM) is ok. But if the opposition has several tall forwards we need to bring in more KPDs so that Doedee can play that third man up role.

As it stands, we are turning Doedee into one of our worst players rather than one of our best.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Separately, I really like the potential of both Fog and Himm, but whilst Walker is there we cannot have both in the same team.

 

[Murray2503]

McLeod was terrible in his first game, hardly touched the ball.

If you’re thinking of winning goal v Hawthorn, that was game number two.

That's the game.

 

[1990crow]

Separately, I really like the potential of both Fog and Himm, but whilst Walker is there we cannot have both in the same team.

Fog needs to be prioritised.

 

[Mego Red]

OUT: Rowe, Hamill, McPherson (Lynch)
IN: Berry, McAsey, Worrell (Mackay)


F: S.McAdam, T.Walker, L.Murphy
HF: N.McHenry, E.Himmelberg, R.Thilthorpe
C: L.Sholl, B.Keays, P.Seedsman
HB: T.Doedee, F.McAsey, B.Smith
B: J.Kelly, J.Butts, J.Worrell

FOLL: R.O’Brien, R.Laird, J.Hately

I/C: D.Fogarty, H.Schoenberg, S.Berry, L.Brown

SUB: Mackay

 

[Vader]

Fog needs to be prioritised.

I'm quite happy for Fog's midfield development to be prioritised in the SANFL.

 

[hey shorty]

OUT: Rowe, Hamill, McPherson (Lynch)
IN: Berry, McAsey, Worrell (Mackay)


F: S.McAdam, T.Walker, L.Murphy
HF: N.McHenry, E.Himmelberg, R.Thilthorpe
C: L.Sholl, B.Keays, P.Seedsman
HB: T.Doedee, F.McAsey, B.Smith
B: J.Kelly, J.Butts, J.Worrell

FOLL: R.O’Brien, R.Laird, J.Hately

I/C: D.Fogarty, H.Schoenberg, S.Berry, L.Brown

SUB: Mackay

Last chance for McAdam IMO.

 

[1970crow]

OUT: Rowe, Hamill, McPherson (Lynch)
IN: Berry, McAsey, Worrell (Mackay)


F: S.McAdam, T.Walker, L.Murphy
HF: N.McHenry, E.Himmelberg, R.Thilthorpe
C: L.Sholl, B.Keays, P.Seedsman
HB: T.Doedee, F.McAsey, B.Smith
B: J.Kelly, J.Butts, J.Worrell

FOLL: R.O’Brien, R.Laird, J.Hately

I/C: D.Fogarty, H.Schoenberg, S.Berry, L.Brown

SUB: Mackay

Why are you dropping Lynch? I thought you were posting about how he's leading the league in the connection stats.

 

[Truck25]

Last chance for McAdam IMO.

He hasn't been right since he rolled his ankle, needs to be rested to get it right not managed.

 

[Slippery Pete]

I'm sick of Lynch, I never want to see him play AFL again. He can be a coach in the SANFL for the young players for the rest of the year.

That escalated quickly!

 

[Scorpus]

Injury update:

Berry - progressed well, is a test
Hamill - scans on his twice rolled ankle
Lynch - still having loads managed
Davis - rolled ankle, 1-2 weeks away
Sloane - aiming for Showdown return