Preview Changes: Round 11 vs GWS

[Vader]

I'm expecting Seedsman to be the only IN, once teams are finalised tomorrow (it's a Sunday game). He will replace either Brown or Poholke, depending on Brown's concussion.

The extended bench (i.e. emergency listed players) will probably be Otten, ROB, Poholke (if Brown is fit), and Murphy. Add Wilson to that list if Dots is in the 22.

 

[BrissyCrow]

The reality is some players, for whatever reason, are unable to make the next step after being drafted and just aren’t good enough to get an AFL game.

There are a heap of players that are drafted every year in the AFL that will either get delisted without playing any AFL games or will only play a couple of games due to injuries to other players before being cut.

I raised the question simply out of frustration. Each week I hear about a first gamer (this week there was a young red haired guy from the Dogs) who plays a great game but has only been in the system about 12 months and they are talked about as future stars. Where as our guys seem to linger in the twos (a team that doesnt appear to have a winning environment) and when I read so many negative comments on here about players like MacKay, Poholke, Atkins I just feel that our draft selections become questionable. Both Milera and Gouch are first choices but still seem to be taking awhile to make it. The you look at a bloke like Sam P Pepper makes a massive impression in his first year. We just dont seem to have that luck. I look at Fog and again I see a potentially great player but how long will he take.

Frustrated thats all

 

[hey shorty]

Replace Hampton with Otten and I think you're spot on.

Unless we have a tall player under a cloud I can't see them bothering with Otten.

 

[Schulzycrow]

I'm expecting Seedsman to be the only IN, once teams are finalised tomorrow (it's a Sunday game). He will replace either Brown or Poholke, depending on Brown's concussion.

The extended bench (i.e. emergency listed players) will probably be Otten, ROB, Poholke (if Brown is fit), and Murphy. Add Wilson to that list if Dots is in the 22.

I agree.
Thats how we roll.
Reward mediocrity.

 

[hey shorty]

I'm expecting Seedsman to be the only IN, once teams are finalised tomorrow (it's a Sunday game). He will replace either Brown or Poholke, depending on Brown's concussion.

The extended bench (i.e. emergency listed players) will probably be Otten, ROB, Poholke (if Brown is fit), and Murphy. Add Wilson to that list if Dots is in the 22.

Surely we can't go into a game after a 91 point belting with 1 change.

FWIW I agree mind you

 

[azza77]

Jenkins was no way near the problem. Problems started in the midfield. Actually thought he tried hard and has been much better this year.

Most here would know my view on JJ in the PS. I've had very little issue with what he has served up this year. There's still room for improvement, but he has changed his ways in areas we've been crying out for.

The problem as you said starts in the midfield. Our defensive workrate has been utter crap also.

 

[conVINCEd]

I'm expecting Seedsman to be the only IN, once teams are finalised tomorrow (it's a Sunday game). He will replace either Brown or Poholke, depending on Brown's concussion.

The extended bench (i.e. emergency listed players) will probably be Otten, ROB, Poholke (if Brown is fit), and Murphy. Add Wilson to that list if Dots is in the 22.

Surely at the very least Murphy would replace Poholke if Brown is out.

O'Brien needs to be in for Jacobs too.

 

[azza77]

Gallucci had 7 kicks and zero handballs in 80% game time. Like Fogarty and to a lesser extent Poholke, he shows glimpses that suggest he could develop into a very good player. Unfortunately we can’t afford to have three players collectively contributing 25 disposals a week. We can carry one KID, possibly two but three is just too much.

I am more than happy for us to play two out of Gallucci, Poholke, Fogarty and Murphy but while we are still in contention we need to balance shortterm and longterm objectives. We can rotate these KIDS through the last two spots particularly if we get Tex and Sloaney back.

Don't really agree with this mentality. I know they've been poor at home, and we have a good record at the SCG, but that win vs the Swans is the prime example of what happens when players are willing to PUT IN the effort first and foremost, and play their role. The rest will come naturally.

We were at our best last year when we had 22, hard running contributors last year, and the Swans and Tigers games have probably been the only 2 games this year where we've had 22 players work their arse off.

Why we cannot seem to get into sync lately, with this whole effort and team cohesion thing is doing my head in.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I'm expecting Seedsman to be the only IN, once teams are finalised tomorrow (it's a Sunday game). He will replace either Brown or Poholke, depending on Brown's concussion.

The extended bench (i.e. emergency listed players) will probably be Otten, ROB, Poholke (if Brown is fit), and Murphy. Add Wilson to that list if Dots is in the 22.

Poholke needs to go regardless we desperately need pressure players

Unfort Hampton is the best option so needs to play

Our lack of pressure across half forward will be our undoing otherwise

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

I raised the question simply out of frustration. Each week I hear about a first gamer (this week there was a young red haired guy from the Dogs) who plays a great game but has only been in the system about 12 months and they are talked about as future stars. Where as our guys seem to linger in the twos (a team that doesnt appear to have a winning environment) and when I read so many negative comments on here about players like MacKay, Poholke, Atkins I just feel that our draft selections become questionable. Both Milera and Gouch are first choices but still seem to be taking awhile to make it. The you look at a bloke like Sam P Pepper makes a massive impression in his first year. We just dont seem to have that luck. I look at Fog and again I see a potentially great player but how long will he take.

Frustrated thats all

Some players, like SPP, are immediately ready to go after being drafted, while others need more time to develop. Sometimes it is because those players are an absolute star, even from an early age, other times they are ready to go, but have a low ceiling.

Just think, Rhy Palmer, Danyle Pearce and Lewis Taylor all won the Rising Star award, yet none of them have had careers that you'd consider to be anything more than ok. Daniel Rich is probably another good example. Easily won the Rising Star award, but has not really gone on with it since then.

Buddy Franklin managed to play 34 games in his first 2 years at Hawthorn, but he still only averaged about 11 touches and 1.5 goals per game. So even the absolute stars of the comp take time to develop.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I find it interesting that Don has been saying that with our injuries our young players are getting a chance. So I have to ask just who are these players. I know that Gallucci, Poholke, Fog, Murphy and Doedee have but we have had more than five injured players. So does that mean Don is calling CEY, Milera, Hampton and Greenwood youngsters as well. I dont really think thats correct. We have other real youngsters who I would refer to being youngster such as Davis, Himmelburg, Edwards. The difference is a year of exposing 5 newbies or maybe 8.

Would be interesting to see the number of newbies that other clubs have exposed.

Past history tells us that 5 young newbies is a big change for us but I wonder if we had another year of minimal injuries just how many would have been given the exposure. Young Jarman would have been on our list for two years at the end of the season. I have no idea how he is developing. It just seems that unless we are forced to expose the youngsters that they just can get a game.

You keen to give up on this season to potentially gift games to guys who won't be on our list next season

Make no mistake we will be turning over the bottom bit of the list and adding better talent at this draft

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Surely we can't go into a game after a 91 point belting with 1 change.

You absolutely can't. At some stage you have to hit 'em where it hurts. When have we ever dropped a big name player?

It's not necessarily about who comes in either. Davis or Murphy or Signorello or Hampton or Himmelberg are all either not ready or not fully deserving of a spot. However the club desperately needs to make a statement. That was not an acceptable performance for a wooden spoon team, let alone a supposed contender.

Jacobs and Lynch (or others)... would we be prepared to make a big statement by dropping a couple of players of that status?

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

I literally started my post with “I am happy with the way we introduce our young players”

Yeah fair call. Maybe we are good at developing them because we give them time to improve in the SANFL though, so that when they play AFL, they have the confidence, knowing that they earned their place?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Hampton and Murphy are worth a go. Probably in place of Mackay and Poholke. Doubt it could make us much worse at the moment and players being made accountable is always a good message to send a playing group.

Yes yes guys than provide pressure and slow down the opposition

It's clear as day that's what we need

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

You absolutely can't. At some stage you have to hit 'em where it hurts. When have we ever dropped a big name player?

It's not necessarily about who comes in either. Davis or Murphy or Signorello or Hampton or Himmelberg are all either not ready or not fully deserving of a spot. However the club desperately needs to make a statement. That was not an acceptable performance for a wooden spoon team, let alone a supposed contender.

Jacobs and Lynch (or others)... would we be prepared to make a big statement by dropping a couple of players of that status?

I don't think they're going to drop Lynch. That would mean making Mrouch captain, which is a pressure he could do without at this point, given he's holding up the midfield and battling hamstring injuries.

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

You keen to give up on this season to potentially gift games to guys who won't be on our list next season

Make no mistake we will be turning over the bottom bit of the list and adding better talent at this draft

It will be very interesting to see who we clear out. You'd think that Hampton, Cheney and Dear would all be on thin ice at this point in time, as would Gibson and Signorello. Beyond that may depend on whether we keep Sloane and Lynch and how many first round picks the club wants to use.

 

[Bazz_27]

You absolutely can't. At some stage you have to hit 'em where it hurts. When have we ever dropped a big name player?

It's not necessarily about who comes in either. Davis or Murphy or Signorello or Hampton or Himmelberg are all either not ready or not fully deserving of a spot. However the club desperately needs to make a statement. That was not an acceptable performance for a wooden spoon team, let alone a supposed contender.

Jacobs and Lynch (or others)... would we be prepared to make a big statement by dropping a couple of players of that status?

I think that is harsh on Murphy & to an extent Hampton. I feel its hard for murphy to bang the door down in the sanfl as a FP when we are getting smashed and he is playing out of position. his stats and performances in the AFL this year have been pretty good and I really hope he gets a game this week.

I don't think Hampton is going to be a superstar but hard to see him not putting in a better performance than Poholke & Gallucci who we are getting games into. Hampton also needs to prove he can play more than 6 quarters without getting injured

 

[BrissyCrow]

You keen to give up on this season to potentially gift games to guys who won't be on our list next season

Make no mistake we will be turning over the bottom bit of the list and adding better talent at this draft

No nt keen just yet to give up on this year. I am one who believes our injuries have had not just an impact but a massive impact. So not giving up just yet.

 

[Elite Crow]

Roo seemed pretty confident this morning of Brown getting up.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Roo seemed pretty confident this morning of Brown getting up.

Did he say that he's confident he won't miss due to concussion?

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

Did he say that he's confident he won't miss due to concussion?

Yeah, he'll miss with a hamstring injury, right?

 

[Vader]

I agree.
Thats how we roll.
Reward mediocrity.

It's not rewarding mediocrity, it's a lack of viable options in the SANFL.

The only other change I would even contemplate would be Murphy, but who does he replace? I can't see him getting a gig ahead of Betts or Gallucci at this point in time, and there really isn't a 3rd option.

 

[Vader]

Surely we can't go into a game after a 91 point belting with 1 change.

FWIW I agree mind you

It's not as if we're spoiled for options, when it comes to possible replacements. Otten isn't replacing one of our talls. That leaves Seedsman (returning from injury) and Murphy. That's it - the cupboard is bare!

 

[Vader]

Surely at the very least Murphy would replace Poholke if Brown is out.

O'Brien needs to be in for Jacobs too.

I wouldn't object to either of those changes. I can't see them happening.

 

[Vader]

Poholke needs to go regardless we desperately need pressure players

Unfort Hampton is the best option so needs to play

Our lack of pressure across half forward will be our undoing otherwise

If Hampton is your answer, then you're asking the wrong question.