Preview Changes, Round 3 vs Carlton

[LemmingMaster]

Not sure if it is a touch of arrogance but I really struggle to understand the logic behind posters suggesting the likes of Ball/Didak/Maxwell are candidates at being the sub. Considering the contempt that MM has to the rule, you would hate to see one of these players sitting there for almost 3 quarters of football.

I am hoping that we put up a decent fight against the yard stick of the AFL.

I would assume that Buckley would be the first player moved on, even if his form may not warrant the move.

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

Should've got 3 votes when we smashed them the first time. Hopefully he plays well when we smash them this time too. Put their cocky supporters back in their place.

3 Votes - Chris Judd

 

[damuzzdu]

Some of the ideas here for changes are just crazy.

The side is playing fairly well thou have not fully been tested as yet in H&A.

As to Luke Ball being dropped. Luke ball was our 2nd best (rd5) and our 3rd best (rd18) last year against Carlton, so not a snow flakes chance in hell he will be dropped.

Didak - you dont put yr elite players as as sub or (really 22nd man) -

Sidebottom was a little down form in Rd1 but showed good signs in Rd2.

So really simple and easy:

In : Maxwell
Out : Buckley (hard on Simon as i thought he showed improvement against North)

Sub : Blair for me. His running power could be good in last qtr if the game is tight.

and C. Judd will get the 3 brownlow votes no matter what happens

 

[shawthing09]

Re: making a big name the sub, I think it all depends on the situation. If for example Didak or Maxwell or anyone else for that matter is ready but not 100% match fit, using them as the sub for a quater and a half would be understandable. Obviously Maxwell doesn't fit the bill because as far as a sub go he doesn't offer enough run. The point is I don't think it would be a confidence drainer to give a guy a run as the sub as an ease back into the game after a period out with injury. In the same way I am sure some clubs will use the sub as a way to break new players into the side (as WCE have with Gaff)

In terms of Tarquin's comments I think it's about the above. Didak and Maxwell have been mentioned as subs because the feeling is they aren't 100% match fit. With Didak he has now played 2 full games so it is counter productive to cut his workload. Maxwell as mentioned above isn't the sort of player suited to the sub rule. As for using DT as a sub I think Speshal Ed sometimes studys at the school of crack.

In regard to the above comment I can't see why you'd want a fit player who is in your best 10 missing large chunks of the game due to being the sub? It's surely a waste of talent.

I have said it before and will do again the sub is best used for running players who aren't of huge importants to the structure of the side. So based on that defenition you'd say it will rotate between Krak, Blair, Davis, Buckley, LeCafe, Dick, Bj (although not in current form) and depending on how deep we want to rotate and manage the workload of the guys Beams, Wellingham and Sidebottom would be another 3 who will probably be considered.

Dawes, Cloke, Reid, Trav, Tarrant, O'Brien, Maxwell and Shaw will never be "the sub" because of their role it's a waste of the sub to have them in that role and they are so important to our structure that if they are fit enough to play it should be a whole game.

Swan, Pendles, Ball, Didak, Thomas - Unless they are down on match fitness it would be a waste of thier ability to not have them able to play a full match.

Jolly and Brown (or any other ruck) - Using a ruck as the sub is daft, I can't believe Sydney did that.

 

[The Get Up Kid]

3 Votes - Chris Judd

I don't know if you misread my post or you were making a point that Judd got the 3? I said Ball should've got the three (my opinion). He kicked 3 goals and burst the game wide when it was close (which wasn't for long ).

I think stats throw out votes and that ultimately when the heat is on players performing at those stages should get greater credence.

Can't wait for the midfield battle this Friday. We do have some guys who aren't defensive minded but if their trio run around on their own like usual, I know what will happen!

 

[Medders123]

I think it would be something like this:

IN: Maxwell, Davis
OUT: Buckley, Macaffer

B: Harry O'Brien, Chris Tarrant, Alan Toovey
HB: Heath Shaw, Ben Reid, Nick Maxwell
C: Sharrod Wellingham, Luke Ball, Dale Thomas
HF: Alan Didak, Travis Cloke, Dayne Beams
F: Andrew Krakouer, Chris Dawes, Steele Sidebottom
FOLL: Darren Jolly, Scott Pendlebury, Dane Swan
INT: Ben Johnson, Leon Davis, Leigh Brown
SUB: Jarryd Blair
Emg: Brad Dick, Lachlan Keefe, Simon Buckley

 

[Good_Old]

Re: Round 3 vs Carlton changes

I'm thinking Caff out for Maxy and Buckley shifted to sub.

Still not convinced on Buckley but I think we have plenty of firepower up forward so we should focus on closing them down.

Maxwell may find it tough to run out the game, so let him lead the boys down back until we are on top of the match. Around 3qtr time, sub him off for Buckley.....

Bookmark it!

 

[Magpie_Magic]

IN: Dick Maxwell
OUT: Caff Buckley

 

[Lockyer24]

In: Skipper
Out: Buckley

Sub: Sharrod

 

[Running Bull]

Maxy will be in that is a given. But there may be greater changes in the wind. If you look at the white board behind Mick Malthouse in his video message to members today, there are 3 players moved out of the VFL side and over to the seniors. These are Davis, Keefe and Rounds.

Davis would be a good in to sit on Betts or one of the other Carlton small forwards (who would carve Buckley up) and Keefe could help out defensively with some of the circus freaks within the Carlton side. Leroy could be a bit shaky, but his goal kicking at the moment is pretty solid. Rounds may come in for Beams, who although officially was not injured, was probably injured.

Didak as a sub to come on in the last quarter and kick 5.

 

[Blueboys7]

Sorry for polluting your board with this as I have posted it in another thread but just want a response quick smart.

Hey guys, looking forward to a cracker game and was just wondering which end your cheer squad will be since it's your home game?

Can't handle being around your mob especially with the result more than likely going your way and by a fair bit.

Thanks in advance!

EDIT: abs of Steele has answered the question. Cheers guys and good luck, not that you need it!

 

[RattataIsSoCool]

Maxy will be in that is a given. But there may be greater changes in the wind. If you look at the white board behind Mick Malthouse in his video message to members today, there are 3 players moved out of the VFL side and over to the seniors. These are Davis, Keefe and Rounds.

Don't think that means a lot. Those three were the emergencies last week and spent the whole week training with the senior squad, I bet their names would have been listed on the board with the seniors last week as well.

 

[Running Bull]

Don't think that means a lot. Those three were the emergencies last week and spent the whole week training with the senior squad, I bet their names would have been listed on the board with the seniors last week as well.

You confuse this story by using facts

 

[Gambit78]

Thats irrelevant Opti, the people who have undermined him from day one don't take reality into account.
He was clearly in our best 8 players on the weekend yet there are still calls to drop him

Not sure if you're having a dig at me here, or not. I wasn't calling for his head, just thought he lacked the spark that he ended last year on. That's all. I didn't check the stats, just posted after watching the game. His numbers looked good, and I'll admit, were better than I expected.

On the changes for this week, does anyone know how Heath Shaw is going, recovery wise? Malthouse said he came off last week feeling a little sore, and he does have a history of back-related niggles. It may be that he makes way for Maxwell, or possibly plays the sub-role against Carlton.

 

[croation-sensation]

Not sure if you're having a dig at me here, or not. I wasn't calling for his head, just thought he lacked the spark that he ended last year on. That's all. I didn't check the stats, just posted after watching the game. His numbers looked good, and I'll admit, were better than I expected.

On the changes for this week, does anyone know how Heath Shaw is going, recovery wise? Malthouse said he came off last week feeling a little sore, and he does have a history of back-related niggles. It may be that he makes way for Maxwell, or possibly plays the sub-role against Carlton.

I'd assume Heater would be fine to play this week probably just a procautionary measure by Malthouse taking into account the score at the time we chose to sub him off,

Id like to see Krak start the game this week with Caff as the sub similar to round 1.

If Maxy is fit we will play him no doubt, I think Buckley should be the one to make one only because somebody has to even though nobody deserves to,unfortunatly there will always be the unlucky ones so long as Bucks keeps up his form in the vfl he'll be first called upon if we lose a running back to injury or suspention

 

[The Get Up Kid]

IN: Dick Maxwell
OUT: Caff Buckley

You'd have to think Dick would be at least 2 weeks away. He needs more game time at a lower level.

Malthouse said he's in the best 22 and I've heard the coaching staff and the players mention we need to improve our roving skills in the forward line.

Long term I think these changes (with no other injuries) and possibly Davis in for gods knows who out!

 

[Shellz]

Do you think anyone would mind if we played with 25??? Just no one deserves to be dropped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Buckley was credited with the highest disposal efficiency of any Collingwood player last week - 89%. He got 19 disposals to Thomas's 10. Carlton have dangerous small guys in attack + Yarran in defence. I am not so sure that Buckley is going to make way for Maxwell. Macaffer seems the more logical player to go out.

 

[Number 10]

^^ Tarrant, Buckley, Johnson, Maxwell, Reid, Heath, Harry, Toovey may be too many defenders for the match panels liking...

 

[loki04]

Should Maxwell spend a week in the VFL for fitness and touch reasons as well as earning his recall?


Because none of the 22 deserve to be dropped on form and Maxwell has no form as he hasn't played, not going off reputations and all...

 

[Scodog10]

^^ Tarrant, Buckley, Johnson, Maxwell, Reid, Heath, Harry, Toovey may be too many defenders for the match panels liking...

Playing a lot further up the ground this year. If he does so again this weekend we can go in with the other 7 defenders.

 

[mdc]

Buckley was credited with the highest disposal efficiency of any Collingwood player last week - 89%. He got 19 disposals to Thomas's 10. Carlton have dangerous small guys in attack + Yarran in defence. I am not so sure that Buckley is going to make way for Maxwell. Macaffer seems the more logical player to go out.

Except that Macaffer is a much better defensive player than Buckley could ever wish to be, and has played at HBF before if we wanted to go that route.

I thought Buckley had a reasonable game on the weekend, but the idea that we'd keep him in for defensive purposes is ludicrous.

 

[mattys123]

Usually you may consider giving Maxwell half a game at VFL level to get his form up, but the history of Friday night dictates that he must play.

He is not injured, he is fully recovered from his internal injuries, it's just his fitness (match fitness more then anything) that is in question.

For mine, Nick Maxwell is a certainty to play this week.

As for the "others", well there's really only 2 players who can come under consideration from the VFL, and that's Leon and Keefe.

Keefe won't play simply because Maxwell is returning, and we won't want to go in too top heavy, especially down back.

Leon is a massive chance, Mick always talks about the rotation of the side, and Leon was best on ground in the VFL, thus placing him first cab off the rank.

Who does he replace? Well MaCaffer is the obvious choice, he seems to be struggling a little bit with the pace of the game, not unlike Didak, as they both had interrupted pre seasons, although Didak's talent alone is getting him through at the moment.

For me, my changes are;

In: Maxwell, Davis
Out: MaCaffer, Buckley

Brad Dick to return for ANZAC Day.

 

[The Get Up Kid]

Should Maxwell spend a week in the VFL for fitness and touch reasons as well as earning his recall?


Because none of the 22 deserve to be dropped on form and Maxwell has no form as he hasn't played, not going off reputations and all...

No he usually plays well first up. He's obviously not as fit as the elite in our team but he'll grind away all game and provide sufficient run. He plays as a captain should and the rest of the team will feed off him. If Buckley plays also then it would help his confident a lot more with Maxy giving him directions etc.

I'm interested if we set up any different. We seem to work the loose man better when he plays. It's almost as if teams stupidly conceed that he'll play loose but I wonder if the last two weeks have been helped by a different set up?

But Maxwell In = huge positive.

 

[daics cousin]

If Maxwell plays he will only play in the reserves not the seniors.