Changes: Round 8 Vs Richmond

[Frigate]

I agree on Brayshaw and will preface by saying he is and will be in our best 22

But JUST NOW needs a couple of weeks of management at Peel for confidence.
He is reluctant to kick at the moment and with the extra time he will get at WAFL level he can hone his kicking skills
Blakely Langdon etc benefited from thier time in the WAFL

I have noticed at home games there is more jeering going on around Brayshaw. I agree, and most reasonable folk would - that he is as an important cog as any going forward. However, he needs to start kicking accurately when he is under no pressure - that is the thing, he is feeling the pressure, and he is making mistakes. Geelong are rotating - so call it that. Let him and Cerra have a rotation through the WAFL, and let the likes of Bewley get a taste and rotate through. Best 22 - we have so many that are close to best 22, we just gift games to the future.
This is easy, rest players that are young.

THE PROBLEM IS. I guess it is better than being a recruit coming to Freo, because as fans we really stink at embracing anyone from another club. Hogan, Lobb, McCarthy the club "Freo will make you feel shite" brigade, we seriously burn ourselves.

How did we become so hateful to players wanting to join our club?

 

[Unique Name]

If we didn't drop Brayshaw in the previous weeks we sure aren't dropping him now. It was probably his best game of the season.


I thought he should have been dropped a few times this season, but overall he did quite well in the Adelaide game.

 

[freo1997]

I have noticed at home games there is more jeering going on around Brayshaw. I agree, and most reasonable folk would - that he is as an important cog as any going forward. However, he needs to start kicking accurately when he is under no pressure - that is the thing, he is feeling the pressure, and he is making mistakes. Geelong are rotating - so call it that. Let him and Cerra have a rotation through the WAFL, and let the likes of Bewley get a taste and rotate through. Best 22 - we have so many that are close to best 22, we just gift games to the future.
This is easy, rest players that are young.

THE PROBLEM IS. I guess it is better than being a recruit coming to Freo, because as fans we really stink at embracing anyone from another club. Hogan, Lobb, McCarthy the club "Freo will make you feel shite" brigade, we seriously burn ourselves.

How did we become so hateful to players wanting to join our club?

We have always put huge amount of pressure on incoming Fwds from other clubs. Etc Croad, Taz, Anthony, McCarthy, Kersten, hogan, Matera..

I personally think it’s cause how well Modra went for us. We probably all subconsciously compare any traded in Fwd to what he did in his 3 seasons. (71, 50,27) and expect them to at least do half as well as he did.

 

[Boppo]

If we didn't drop Brayshaw in the previous weeks we sure aren't dropping him now. It was probably his best game of the season.


I thought he should have been dropped a few times this season, but overall he did quite well in the Adelaide game.

Brayshaw playing poorly enough to be dropped is a fairy tale people seem to be swallowing like sheep when in reality he is top 5 in clearances, contested possessions and tackles. At about 10th in clangers he is absolutely in the best mid rotation every week.

 

[GoFreo4eva]

Any news from Richmond on Moore, Rioli & vlaustin?

I heard on SportFM yesterday that both Rioli and Vlaustin will miss this week but no clear info on that on either the Richmond site or AFL.com...

 

[Megalon]

I didn't want to create a separate thread for this, so it's slightly off topic but still relevant to changes for the Richmond game. Check out the average disposal efficiency so far this year:
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/tr-fremantle-dockers?year=2019&rt=TA&st=EP

No surprise that Ryan is second, but Nyhuis is leading disposal efficiency (after two games). I thought he played exceptionally well against the Doggies, and was solid against Betts, keeping him to one (freakish) goal in a very intense game where the defense was under immense pressure. Deserves to keep his spot and I think he's ahead of Duman at this point, even though Duman has played well earlier this year.

Interestingly Mundy and Hill are more towards the bottom in terms of disposal efficiency, and Brayshaw even worse. Hopefully Mundy and Hill can get back to their best as they should be doing better for experienced players... Brayshaw is still young so I would give him time to work on his disposal, and he is working hard to tackle and bring defensive pressure so shouldn't be dropped. A couple of times against Adelaide he won the ball and streamed forwards he reminded me of Munday actually. Fyfe has been much better this year for disposal, really happy to see as it was his only weakness IMO.

Also interesting, all of our key tall forwards are down the bottom in terms of DE - too many times they have tried to find another option and have turned it over, instead of going for goal and backing themselves. Sorry Hale and Guerra, but is it time to bring the Pav in to show them how to kick a clutch goal? The way the game is today with immense pressure, I think the forwards need to take those opportunities, getting a behind is better than a turnover as it could be the difference between a W vs L in a low scoring game....

 

[One_Wing]

I didn't want to create a separate thread for this, so it's slightly off topic but still relevant to changes for the Richmond game. Check out the average disposal efficiency so far this year:
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/tr-fremantle-dockers?year=2019&rt=TA&st=EP

No surprise that Ryan is second, but Nyhuis is leading disposal efficiency (after two games). I thought he played exceptionally well against the Doggies, and was solid against Betts, keeping him to one (freakish) goal in a very intense game where the defense was under immense pressure. Deserves to keep his spot and I think he's ahead of Duman at this point, even though Duman has played well earlier this year.

Interestingly Mundy and Hill are more towards the bottom in terms of disposal efficiency, and Brayshaw even worse. Hopefully Mundy and Hill can get back to their best as they should be doing better for experienced players... Brayshaw is still young so I would give him time to work on his disposal, and he is working hard to tackle and bring defensive pressure so shouldn't be dropped. A couple of times against Adelaide he won the ball and streamed forwards he reminded me of Munday actually. Fyfe has been much better this year for disposal, really happy to see as it was his only weakness IMO.

Also interesting, all of our key tall forwards are down the bottom in terms of DE - too many times they have tried to find another option and have turned it over, instead of going for goal and backing themselves. Sorry Hale and Guerra, but is it time to bring the Pav in to show them how to kick a clutch goal? The way the game is today with immense pressure, I think the forwards need to take those opportunities, getting a behind is better than a turnover as it could be the difference between a W vs L in a low scoring game....

Nyhuis meter gained average is only 199 though. Compared to Luke Ryan's at 450. DE should be looked at with meters gained in mind. So while Nyhuis DE is somewhat impressive, he is more often going for the shorter option.

 

[Frigate]

Brayshaw playing poorly enough to be dropped is a fairy tale people seem to be swallowing like sheep when in reality he is top 5 in clearances, contested possessions and tackles. At about 10th in clangers he is absolutely in the best mid rotation every week.

Cam Mac has the 4th most goals for our club (double the next player), yet he is questioned. Taberner is our number marking player, and Hogan 3rd (off 6 games) - they are questioned.

Rory Lobb has the equal most contested marks for our club - and seems to be getting questioned about his ability in this area.

Ethan Hughes has the 4th most contested marks for our club - he has been questioned as a defender.

A lot of the pot calling the kettle black around these parts.

As I said, I like Brayshaw and I see him as an important part of our club for a long, long time. The point is that as a midfielder he is 5th in what is fairly slim pickings, and some of his clangers result in goals against, where as our leading clanger this year is Fyfe, but many of his are from contested clearances under pressure, or entries into 50. There is a difference from running out of defence on your own and coughing it up with no pressure.

If you look our team overall, and our best chance of playing finals, you pick your best players and back them in, unless they are horribly out of form. If players are smashing it consistently in the 2's, then reward them, but making radical changes after a solid game makes no sense to me.

Blakely comes in for Swita. Walters more time forward.

 

[Megalon]

Nyhuis meter gained average is only 199 though. Compared to Luke Ryan's at 450. DE should be looked at with meters gained in mind. So while Nyhuis DE is somewhat impressive, he is more often going for the shorter option.

I know that Nyhuis isn't kicking as long as Ryan, but his DE means he isn't turning it over in the back half which can kill a team. The shorter option is ok at times, as it means we retain possession. I hope you didn't think my post was saying he was better than Ryan, I definitely don't think that as Ryan is almost AA half back at the moment...but Nyhuis is a great asset to our defence at the moment.

 

[theGav56]

Nyhuis meter gained average is only 199 though. Compared to Luke Ryan's at 450. DE should be looked at with meters gained in mind. So while Nyhuis DE is somewhat impressive, he is more often going for the shorter option.

They definitely have different skills and roles, but also both putting some great games together. Impressive that Nyhuis has made himself a first choice player coming after a good start to the year from Duman. Hope that struggle between them continues to flame on.

 

[theGav56]

Surely the only question regarding Brayshaw is "Is he going to develop better in the AFL or in the WAFL?"

I don't know how they manage players but I think they would have discussions along those lines with players like Brayshaw too; Discuss his DE and how to improve it. Perhaps even raise the idea of a couple of games in the WAFL. I am also confident that the club is happy with his development.

 

[Megalon]

Blakely comes in for Swita. Walters more time forward.

Switta was still running and pressuring Adelaide's defence right until the end, I wouldn't drop him. I would rather drop Colyer and move Walters more forward like you say... I think Walters needs a break from the midfield intensity to let his body recover. Colyer has been ok this year but not really influential on games IMO.

 

[Belnakor]

Surely the only question regarding Brayshaw is "Is he going to develop better in the AFL or in the WAFL?"

I don't know how they manage players but I think they would have discussions along those lines with players like Brayshaw too; Discuss his DE and how to improve it. Perhaps even raise the idea of a couple of games in the WAFL. I am also confident that the club is happy with his development.

Brayshaw's main issue is kicking when he is under pressure.

If he played in the WAFL he would get 30+ and not miss a target because the pace of the game is so much lower.

 

[Belnakor]

If we didn't drop Brayshaw in the previous weeks we sure aren't dropping him now. It was probably his best game of the season.


I thought he should have been dropped a few times this season, but overall he did quite well in the Adelaide game.

i would have dropped him after the GC game where he bottled it several times standing under the ball.

but his game on the weekend was probably the best game he has played. I would have him as one of the first picked.

 

[Nodgey]

I expect Brayshaw to develop and improve with a potential ceiling of Cotchin/Jobe Watson. Of course, Cotchin now has Watson’s Brownlow, so that’s a bloody big ceiling! But if his kicking doesn’t improve his ceiling is Conca/Josh Carr. Which is probably acceptable, but below my expectations of a pick 2.

 

[Mudd]

Nyhuis meter gained average is only 199 though. Compared to Luke Ryan's at 450. DE should be looked at with meters gained in mind. So while Nyhuis DE is somewhat impressive, he is more often going for the shorter option.

That is more impressive as DE% is a bit misleading as a stat, any kick that goes 40+Metres to a 50/50 contest is counted as an effective disposal which bumps Ryan's % up a bit.

 

[Steinfreo]

Brayshaw playing poorly enough to be dropped is a fairy tale people seem to be swallowing like sheep when in reality he is top 5 in clearances, contested possessions and tackles. At about 10th in clangers he is absolutely in the best mid rotation every week.

you believing hes been top of anything based on stats proves you are the one not in reality. The kid is building but has been very poor at times.

 

[FreoRicci]

I have noticed at home games there is more jeering going on around Brayshaw. I agree, and most reasonable folk would - that he is as an important cog as any going forward. However, he needs to start kicking accurately when he is under no pressure - that is the thing, he is feeling the pressure, and he is making mistakes. Geelong are rotating - so call it that. Let him and Cerra have a rotation through the WAFL, and let the likes of Bewley get a taste and rotate through. Best 22 - we have so many that are close to best 22, we just gift games to the future.
This is easy, rest players that are young.

THE PROBLEM IS. I guess it is better than being a recruit coming to Freo, because as fans we really stink at embracing anyone from another club. Hogan, Lobb, McCarthy the club "Freo will make you feel shite" brigade, we seriously burn ourselves.

How did we become so hateful to players wanting to join our club?

Don't agree. He was huge at times vs Adelaide. Just got into positions, found space and distributed well. Bewley won't come in and do the same. Its about the balance of the team.

Let's be realistic, the league being so close as it is, Freo want to win as much as possible. Therefore for now Brayshaw and Cerra are needed and are definite best 22.

I want Tom North in, but Blakely takes his position anyway as the inside mid.
Recruits coming over are always going to feel the pressure. West Australian media just jump on our backs and put huge focus on these players. Lobb is doing his role, he isn't exactly a huge tap winner. Never been known as one. Around the ground and going forward, that's his strengths. IT's a big problem, players coming across, media pump them up and every little mistake is magnified x100. Look at West Coast, Vardy comes across, is an absolute dud and dropped. Hickey is their best ruck. LOL. Where's the media on them?
For me, Hogan is doing a serviceable job. Kick those goals and its a different story. The entries isn't exactly top 4 right now, but you can see we re building something with him and Tabs.

 

[Frigate]

Switta was still running and pressuring Adelaide's defence right until the end, I wouldn't drop him. I would rather drop Colyer and move Walters more forward like you say... I think Walters needs a break from the midfield intensity to let his body recover. Colyer has been ok this year but not really influential on games IMO.

Yep, agree regarding Walters. The last thing we need is for Walters to get injured, and I am not sure if his body is able to keep pushing through the midfield. Matera seems to be doing that better this year, and his skills have somehow become very good.

Swita on the other hand looks like he is going to be a good player, but it is not happening on for him at the moment. He has had one scoring shot out of 4 games (and 3 goal assists). For a small forward in a forward line with the talls we have, he needs to be getting involved more. There is no doubt that his forward pressure is very good. He is the obvious replacement for Ballas. Because we have Walters and Matera, I am not sure if we need the 3rd small forward, especially when we can rotate others through the forward 50.

I am undecided on Colyer, he has had some cringe moments, however I just feel we really need his speed and run and carry - I think he compliments Hill and Langdon with spread. He seems to have a good mind for the game, just his execution at times is under question.

 

[FreoRicci]

Switta was still running and pressuring Adelaide's defence right until the end, I wouldn't drop him. I would rather drop Colyer and move Walters more forward like you say... I think Walters needs a break from the midfield intensity to let his body recover. Colyer has been ok this year but not really influential on games IMO.

This makes more and more sense. Walters forward always makes us more attacking. Better balance too. Not really taking a small out and have too tall. Perfect

 

[theGav56]

This makes more and more sense. Walters forward always makes us more attacking. Better balance too. Not really taking a small out and have too tall. Perfect

A fit Blakely adds quite a bit of flexibility to how our midfield sets up. It makes it easier for Cerra to go into the middle or Fyfe and Mundy to go forward. It allows Walters to stay forward too (I love seeing him in the midfield).

This also means that the potential for who goes out can expand to include McCarthy, Colyer etc.

 

[FreoRicci]

A fit Blakely adds quite a bit of flexibility to how our midfield sets up. It makes it easier for Cerra to go into the middle or Fyfe and Mundy to go forward. It allows Walters to stay forward too (I love seeing him in the midfield).

This also means that the potential for who goes out can expand to include McCarthy, Colyer etc.

Exactly. More weapons in the middle. Geelong get away with Ablett or Dangerfield going forward, because they still have Menegoa, Kelly, Selwood. It really adds unpredictability to their game.
Would love to give us that flexibility too. Fyfe up forward would be a beast. Mundy can rest there too. Blakely in really helps us out. Plus Tucker is getting better and better.

As per Colyer, his outside run isn’t really helping as that’s provided by Hill and Langdon. He should be doing more. Don’t see a spot for him either. Gluing to be interesting in the coming weeks that’s for sure

 

[Ysaye]

Longitudinal statistics show clearly Brayshaw has improved his disposal from the start of the season; the number of clangers (from average of 3 at the start of the season are now down to 0 and 2 in last 2 games) and much higher DE stat, whilst his possessions in the last game were almost a season high (21) off the lowest amount of game time (63%). In particular I wonder about the last value; we have all watched how Cerra's disposal falls away under exhaustion; perhaps part of the management (if we are going for management) is more around game time?

 

[yyou]

Surely the only question regarding Brayshaw is "Is he going to develop better in the AFL or in the WAFL?"

I don't know how they manage players but I think they would have discussions along those lines with players like Brayshaw too; Discuss his DE and how to improve it. Perhaps even raise the idea of a couple of games in the WAFL. I am also confident that the club is happy with his development.

I disagree completely.
I think a more pertinent question is, "Is he the best player for our team in that role at the moment, or is there someone possibly better for the team at the moment?"
Team first, not player first.
Gifting him games when others are more deserving is poor practice. (I know he just played his best game for the year)
Let's see what someone like North can do if given the chance.
Just because someone is a high draft pick, it does not entitle them to preferential treatment over others.
Who knows, maybe North can come in & dominate?

 

[theGav56]

I disagree completely.
I think a more pertinent question is, "Is he the best player for our team in that role at the moment, or is there someone possibly better for the team at the moment?"
Team first, not player first.
Gifting him games when others are more deserving is poor practice. (I know he just played his best game for the year)
Let's see what someone like North can do if given the chance.
Just because someone is a high draft pick, it does not entitle them to preferential treatment over others.
Who knows, maybe North can come in & dominate?

It may be more pertinent (to you), but really you are opening up a different question. He has demonstrated that he is best 22, and did it again last weekend. He isn't being gifted games at all. My question is about his development, not about his justification in the team because that is a non-issue until someone shows that they are a better option, and clearly North hasn't come close to that.