Changes vs Collingwood @ MCG

[Janus]

Bullshit Janus, you are trying to make up facts to fit your thesis. I don't know where you got that from, but there is a work experience type journo who writes the SANFL review pages on the Port website and I wouldn't trust those BP's. grimlock - a swans supporter, puts up the stats in every sanfl game day thread, so maybe he can explain where he gets the best players from, but White hasn't been in the top 3 players for Port for the past 3 games in a row.

The last 3 SANFL game stats.

Rd 10 v Sturt
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...-round-10-unley.1168415/page-16#post-50866690

Rd 9 v WA
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...ound-9-alberton.1167835/page-13#post-50749940

Rd 8 v SA

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...und-8-noarlunga.1167317/page-15#post-50643017

I stand corrected

 

[Steve Dore]

Hinkley has gone completely insane. It's time to send Captain Willard up the Port River in an army boat to do what needs to be done.

Ken: Did they say why, Willard, why they want to terminate my coaching contract?
Willard: They told me that you had gone totally insane, and that your methods were unsound.
Ken: Are my methods unsound?
Willard: I don't see any method at all, sir.

 

[PatientMental]

So our wingers:
Unavailable
Amon - Injured
Polec - Injured
Toumpas - Had his chance, scapegoated for Essendon loss.


Available:
Drew - averaging 20 disposals and just under a goal a game for the last month

Who we chose:
White...

 

[Steve Dore]

How is White for Broadbent a like for like exactly?

They are both "Matthew"

 

[OneGreatClub]

The very worst thing about this is we effectively start a man down from the off. Matt White is so far from AFL level that it will be exactly like the GWS game. He wont get near it and when he does he is no longer up to it.

The damage of such a selection doesnt only affect us tomorrow. This flows down the list. Those of you have played sport at a reasonable level, know that within a team you know within yourself when there is someone playing in front of you that is undeserving. Blokes like Palmer, Bonner, Atley, Ah Chee, Drew wouldnt admit it but they would be thinking, how the glory be is this old, slow bloke getting a game in front of me. He not even performing at SANFL.

Ken is a hypocrite coaching for himself and not for the team.

I agree with what you are saying as far as form goes but how can you construe that Ken is coaching for himself when he appears to be choosing players who will fail? Surely if White gets injured during the game or under performs it hurts Ken rather than assists him.

 

[Adam Marrett23]

I think the coaches have already made up their mind on his career at port.

And that's what shits me. Palmer looked a prospect in his games the end of last season, and reading the stats and what I get told of the SANFL games he should be playing ahead of Neade at the very least. You could see why him, Monfries, Howard after kicking 8, and Eddy would be sitting there thinking what more do we have to do. Other then change their last names to Neade, Young, Toumpas or AhChee. It baffles me it really does.

 

[Jonts]

Where was everyone melting about white being an emergency last night

 

[mic59]

Could be that Ken is using this as a way to make people appreciate Broadbent more? And to prevent himself from having to make the hard choice next week when Polec comes back and another player who may have played well has to be dropped. Although that does sound like a very convoluted excuse to make when really the only basis for choice should be who is likely to give us the best chance of winning.

 

[x_les_x]

Initially i liked white in for polec even though he hasnt had the best form last week given we need spread a recievers with both polec and amon gone and toumpas useless. He was a pretty good kick into then50 aswell at one point too.
Wont be all doom and gloom if we use his speed around the ground rather than just i50

 

[TeeKray]

I think we have to accept that Ken is gunning for the short term rather than development at the moment. And why wouldn't he? We're sitting 4th on the ladder (even if we are lucky to be there) and he's trying to avoid missing finals for a third straight year in his fifth year at the helm. He doesn't care about development, he cares about getting results right now.

Ken knows what White will deliver him. He might not be great but he is an experienced AFL player who knows our structures and systems and won't completely go to water if we end up in a high pressure game. He doesn't know that to be true of Bonner or Atley or Drew or any number of other young players.

This is the reason for White's selection. Not good, bad or otherwise form. Just experience and, dare I say it, safety over risk.

 

[finbarr]

So our wingers:
Unavailable
Amon - Injured
Polec - Injured
Toumpas - Had his chance, scapegoated for Essendon loss.


Available:
Drew - averaging 20 disposals and just under a goal a game for the last month

Who we chose:
White...

Ken doesn't yet know what he's going to get out of Drew at AFL level, therefore, too risky. This is about treading water or holding ground rather than taking calculated gambles that might conceivably pay off big and propel us from good/average side to genuine contender.

For a man who espouses football bravery Ken Hinkley is one hell of a conservative coach.

 

[Nemisis]

Whitey will perform ... people are forgetting those 6 possessions on the weekend were fricken awesome. (kicked goal of the day)
Seriously, he must be in the side for a particularly reason ... I hope it works Kenny

 

[PatientMental]

Whitey will perform ... people are forgetting those 6 possessions on the weekend were fricken awesome. (kicked goal of the day)
Seriously, he must be in the side for a particularly reason ... I hope it works Kenny

4 kicks, 2 of which were effective and 1 of those effective was a goal.

He had 1 effective disposal.

 

[finbarr]

I think we have to accept that Ken is gunning for the short term rather than development at the moment. And why wouldn't he? We're sitting 4th on the ladder (even if we are lucky to be there) and he's trying to avoid missing finals for a third straight year in his fifth year at the helm. He doesn't care about development, he cares about getting results right now.

Ken knows what White will deliver him. He might not be great but he is an experienced AFL player who knows our structures and systems and won't completely go to water if we end up in a high pressure game. He doesn't know that to be true of Bonner or Atley or Drew or any number of other young players.

This is the reason for White's selection. Not good, bad or otherwise form. Just experience and, dare I say it, safety over risk.

In other words, he's putting self before club. Great.

 

[skanker08]

Ken to all you melters (including me)...

 

[Zombie]

Our selections this year are clearly based on players who best fit specific roles within the framework of our 2017 game plan. Form and SANFL performances are secondary to this, thats why Matt White comes in this week with Polec and now Broady out.

With Polec being out Pittard took his winger role, with Broady out Pittard moves to half back and White takes the wing.

I don't mind this selection policy, theres no point bringing in another inside midfielder and then being slow on the outside. It also keeps our game plan consistent week to week and in theory we should get better and better at executing that game plan.

I reckon Matt White suits our game plan more than most due to his speed, tackling, pressure and line breaking ability. He seems like one of Kens favourites and if he plays well this week I reckon he'll keep getting picked.

 

[TeeKray]

In other words, he's putting self before club. Great.

Human nature, unfortunately.

 

[Nemisis]

Ken obviously sees Whitey as best 22 as he picked him for the Sydney game even though he wasn't fit.
He is now fit so he gets a game when an opportunity arises. Personally I would have liked to see a youngster get blooded but the stakes are high... very high this year.

 

[Janus]

We do. But unless Matt White has found a time machine sometime during the week and gone back to 2014-2015, he's not that guy. You wouldn't find a bigger Matt White fan than me over that two year period, but he is charcoal cooked.



HE HAD 6 TOUCHES LAST WEEK. 6! You or I could get 6 ****ing touches in a full game of SANFL football. Brett Eddy had as many goals as Matt White had touches.

For once in your god damn life stop being a revisionist history apologist. Matt White could come in and have 30 touches and 10 goals on the weekend and your comment above would still be total and utter bullshit.

No one is revising anything. I said if Amon or Monfries weren't injured, they'd be in before White. Who would you rather bring in?

Ah Chee is a big bodied midfielder who throws off team balance because he can't really play any other position.

Atley is an inside mid who can push forward - not the role we are looking to replace.

Palmer is a midfielder with questionable endurance and pace - we'd roll with Ah Chee if we wanted that.

Eddy means we'd have to drop Trengove back, and since we've already lost Broadbent, that means we're going back to a traditional structure that makes us rigid in defence.

Drew you could make a case for, but we all know that Hinkley doesn't like selecting young players until they deserve it.

I've had a revelation. The reason why people melt is because individual offensive output is easy to see due to the conventional way stats are distributed, whereas team defensive output is not because it's more about GPS numbers and where players position themselves. Until you have the data that the coaches have, how can you possible make the calls you do? White is 'cooked' the same way Travis Boak is 'cooked' IMO.

 

[finbarr]

Our selections this year are clearly based on players who best fit specific roles within the framework of our 2017 game plan. Form and SANFL performances are secondary to this, thats why Matt White comes in this week with Polec and now Broady out.

With Polec being out Pittard took his winger role, with Broady out Pittard moves to half back and White takes the wing.

I don't mind this selection policy, theres no point bringing in another inside midfielder and then being slow on the outside. It also keeps our game plan consistent week to week and in theory we should get better and better at executing that game plan.

I reckon Matt White suits our game plan more than most due to his speed, tackling, pressure and line breaking ability. He seems like one of Kens favourites and if he plays well this week I reckon he'll keep getting picked.

What role did Matt White fill when he was brought in against the GWS Gargantuans after Ryder was ruled out?

What role did Aaron Young fill in our forward line last week after racking up huge numbers for the magpies as a midfielder the week before?

What role is Sam Gray, Jake Neade, Young, Impey and our fleet of small forwards filling in the same forward line? Surely they can't all be there to apply defensive pressure.

 

[finbarr]

Human nature, unfortunately.

Then someone above him needs to pull rank.

 

[Steve Dore]

Ken doesn't yet know what he's going to get out of Drew at AFL level, therefore, too risky. This is about treading water or holding ground rather than taking calculated gambles that might conceivably pay off big and propel us from good/average side to genuine contender.

For a man who espouses football bravery Ken Hinkley is one hell of a conservative coach.

While I'm annoyed at the inclusion of White it shouldn't be the difference between us winning or losing against Collingwood which is why we as a club would be better off if Ken had rewarded Drew instead. We would get to see what the kid has to offer at AFL level after sound form in the SNAFL and if he didn't play well on debut it is not likely to cost us the game. Having the likes of R Gray, Boak and Westhoff put in below par performances is more likely to cost us the game. Their is really absolute minimal risk but, as you say, Ken seems intent on treading water and saving his job and is therefore so risk averse that he is being super conservative rather than looking to improve us.

 

[Nemisis]

2017 is the 'Stephen Bradbury Premiership' - last team to fall wins. It is ours to take ... keep ya feet

 

[El_Scorcho]

We campaigned, we lobbied, we sooked, we financially pressured, we scrapped, we fought, and we finally got ourselves a proper reserves side so we could develop structures and develop guys our way and have them ready to plug and play at AFL level.

But we just simply don't use our reserves side at all. The way we use this side, we have absolutely no advantage over the system that saw us farming out our rookies to North, Glenelg and Centrals to be played out of position.

Matt White ffs. The mind absolutely boggles. We are actively playing below our ability because Ken Hinkley would rather play an out of form, low output player who was good for him 3 years ago than an in form rookie who could be anything.

He's in the self interested death throes of an AFL footy coach, just like we saw with Choco. He's now actively holding this club back from winning because he's too gutless. When he's on the AFL scrapheap (hopefully sooner rather than later), I really hope he regrets these gutless selection decisions and understands that they are what ruined him.

 

[Wargreymon90]

I think we have to accept that Ken is gunning for the short term rather than development at the moment. And why wouldn't he? We're sitting 4th on the ladder (even if we are lucky to be there) and he's trying to avoid missing finals for a third straight year in his fifth year at the helm. He doesn't care about development, he cares about getting results right now.

Ken knows what White will deliver him. He might not be great but he is an experienced AFL player who knows our structures and systems and won't completely go to water if we end up in a high pressure game. He doesn't know that to be true of Bonner or Atley or Drew or any number of other young players.

This is the reason for White's selection. Not good, bad or otherwise form. Just experience and, dare I say it, safety over risk.

Gunning for short term is fine. If white is the best fit to help us win games, then by all means pick him. But right now, there are so many players playing better football than him that we have included him at our detriment.