Preview Changes vs Geelong

[Topkent]

Agree. And I wondered about this on Saturday. A lot. If we’re such an amazing contested ball team then why exactly do we need between 7 and 10 blokes going after every ball?

Yeah surely if you had a team of kids an skinny people that would be the instruction. Support your team mate an help them win the ball back. Why does Clayton Oliver or Angus Brayshaw need help tackling someone? Unless we are seriously worried about their leg speed

 

[DeesFanTheMan]

Now that I have had a chance to calm down, I think these are the warranted changes.

Out - Frost, Hore, Spargo (Maybe viney if he is underdone or injured)
In - May, KK (assuming he is ready), Jwag. (Stretch for vines)

Possibly drop hunt for one of preuss or keilty too.

 

[Proper Gander]

Yeah surely if you had a team of kids an skinny people that would be the instruction. Support your team mate an help them win the ball back. Why does Clayton Oliver or Angus Brayshaw need help tackling someone? Unless we are seriously worried about their leg speed

Can’t be leg speed with those two. Clarry has enough burst speed for his role, and Brayshaw has no speed but an ability to manouver himself into space for a kick (it’s what he does with it that’s a worry). Maybe we’re just a bit thick

 

[Topkent]

People are gonna love this but I think it would be crazy to drop Hunt.

Despite my banging on about his game he just needs to bloody play.
Dropping him now will completely trash his confidence. He needs

 

[blitznu]

Now that I have had a chance to calm down, I think these are the warranted changes.

Out - Frost, Hore, Spargo (Maybe viney if he is underdone or injured)
In - May, KK (assuming he is ready), Jwag. (Stretch for vines)

Possibly drop hunt for one of preuss or keilty too.

You want to drop 1 of our only outside players for Preuss our problem is putting on heat and spreading from contest so let's bring in a lumbering ****ing ruckman against 1 of the quickest ruck set ups just so we look even slower

 

[DeesFanTheMan]

You want to drop 1 of our only outside players for Preuss our problem is putting on heat and spreading from contest so let's bring in a lumbering ******* ruckman against 1 of the quickest ruck set ups just so we look even slower

I am not suggesting we place Pruess in the same capacity as hunt, I am suggesting Hunt's disposal is ****ing woeful and you change the structure, i.e. KK or Stretch would take Hunt's place, May for frost, jwag for Hore, the other of KK or stretch for spargo then you have someone from the IC taking viney's spot and Preuss or Keilty is back up ruck.

to be clear Hunt was borderline passable, I like that he took the game on but needs to fix up his disposal.

 

[blitznu]

People are gonna love this but I think it would be crazy to drop Hunt.

Despite my banging on about his game he just needs to bloody play.
Dropping him now will completely trash his confidence. He needs

You can have a go at his game but **** me he is the exact player we need. Everybody wants more from him. I hope we put it to him that he needs to have more run downs and tackles than Rohan this week.

 

[schmuttt]

People are gonna love this but I think it would be crazy to drop Hunt.

Despite my banging on about his game he just needs to bloody play.
Dropping him now will completely trash his confidence. He needs

Pretty much, we’d be stupid to drop him now. Give him till round 3 or 4 to show something.

 

[Demonkings]

So another image of our lack of discipline from fox footy. This was a boundary throw in where all the dees players started next to their opponent. Look how it progresses
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Now look at the discipline from Port. That's a clear instruction to let us chase the ball and it's an extraordinary lack of discipline from our players.

There is 2 captains an our best player doing that.
Even if we win the ball there's only 2 options. Handball to a bloke a metre away or belt it forward. That midfield mix needs to change

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You’re right TK, the midfield mix needs to change and the whole tactics approach needs to change. This is the true test for Goodwin this season and will provide a good clue as to whether he truly “has it” as a coach or not. He needs to adapt to the new way things are with 6-6-6.

I’m going to cut him some slack for Saturday, he’s been working towards a particular game plan for a good three or four years now and he got to a preliminary final last year off the back of it, so I can see why he is reluctant to change up immediately. Ken Hinkley on the other hand would have been a coach rubbing his hands at the prospect of being allowed to re-invent his game plan under 6-6-6 because his previous one wasn’t working.

I have some level of faith, because I think we all felt similarly flat after the Hawthorn loss last year but some effective tweaks to the game plan were made and we ended the year well. I think something more drastic is required this season however, even off the basis of one game. The “panic ball” of 2018 isn’t going to cut it in 2019, and if Goodwin persists with it too long, then things aren’t going to improve much over the next few rounds at least, and by then it could well be season over.

 

[DeesFanTheMan]

Goody does tend to give blokes more than 1 game to assert themselves and prove themselves.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

One thing I noticed was how often Port could drop the ball and retain possession because of how hard their players were running to stay on the outside of the contest. Whereas every time we dropped it was an immediate turnover.

 

[Crusty Demon]

I really think a deep breath and letting a few more games go by is a good idea.

If we get belted by Geelong then it's a worry... but if you look at all the other results over the weekend, it's clear that the Round 1 throws up anomalies. I'm hoping we're one of them.

It doesn't matter how we're playing now, what matters more is that we win enough games over 22 rounds to make finals, ideally make top four, ideally have home finals, and be in the right form to win through to a Grand Final. But maybe we're still a year off that.

We're always a year off it. Always going to be good in a few years. Time is now. Best list according to Champion Data. Let's hope Round 1 was one of those rounds we look back on and laugh. But i have a bad feeling about this week. We looked sloppy, we lacked hunger, we looked unfit, we looked slow, and we looked like a side who has done nothing in the offseason to tackle these new rules. I can't see any of these things changing significantly enough to win at a ground where we have perpetually lost at.

Like others have said, if we are underdone, if we are starting behind the 8 ball, then we need to find a way to guts out a few wins before the season slips away. The Essendon and Sydney games are the crucial ones for me. I think we'll get done this weekend. I cant see us turning around our fitness and injury concerns in a week and cruising down to Geelong and winning. Hopefully we look better than last week, but i simply cant see us turning it around significantly enough to win there. But we simply have to find a way to not go 0-4. If we are, then its season over.

 

[Islanda22]

Pretty sure Lewis is still injured?

If so the Joel Smith comes into consideration as that 3rd tall down back

 

[Tulip]

Preuss needs to come in to play the enforcer role. Need to see the team being aggressive. Shameful that we let Lycett, Ryder and even their first year kids lay into Gawn with no retaliation. That’s worse from the captains than mistakes like dropped marks.

Preuss and May for Frost and Sparrow

 

[harry000]

If so the Joel Smith comes into consideration as that 3rd tall down back

Joel Smith also injured. Listed as 4-6 weeks.

This is the issue right now/

 

[Tulip]

So if Gawn gets bashed pillar to post again and May lays out a Geelong player in the first 10minutes to stand up for our big man are we all gonna cry or go atleast some campaigner is being physical? I guess it'll depend on the outcome of the game. But after Christians comments today a player needs to have a concussion test or have broken ribs to get suspended.

I don’t know why this is so difficult to understand. May did what he did in a meaningless scratch match. Physicality =\= stupidity.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

I don't want to see Sparrow dropped. One of the few that actually had a crack, was ranked equal third on the ground for pressure acts. Others deserve to come out more than him.

 

[blitznu]

K

I don’t know why this is so difficult to understand. May did what he did in a meaningless scratch match. Physicality =\= stupidity.

What's so hard to understand that that is May and how he plays. What you think he's just gonna magically change his aggressive streak changing clubs.

 

[Scythe]

May and KK for Frost and Viney, unless he is absolutely, 100% able to participate fully in training and pull up fine the next day. No ‘light duties’, he only plays if he’s fit.

I want Preuss in, but don’t think Geelong at Shithole Stadium is the opponent/place to do it. Will be a fast game. I’d also consider Stretch for Spargo, with Hunt pushing forward.

 

[schmuttt]

May and KK for Frost and Viney, unless he is absolutely, 100% able to participate fully in training and pull up fine the next day. No ‘light duties’, he only plays if he’s fit.

I want Preuss in, but don’t think Geelong at Shithole Stadium is the opponent/place to do it. Will be a fast game. I’d also consider Stretch for Spargo, with Hunt pushing forward.

See I don't think it'll be that fast down there, the ground is long but very narrow. Transition teams usually struggle vs the Cats down there, they've belted the Eagles and Giants plenty of times due to the lack of space to move the ball.

I'm pretty torn right now because I believe in giving the majority of the 22 on Saturday another chance to prove themselves because Salem and Melksham (Who I don't think was 100%) aside everyone played an absolute stinker, but on the other hand we got exposed in the same way we got done in 2018 and it is frustrating that we clearly have a huge issue against teams smart enough to spread against us now.

Can't remember who made the post so apologies for no credit but they got it spot on when they said the young quick teams thrive at this time of year, harder grounds and everyone is fresh. Teams who play like us won't come into our own till those teams start to tire and there is less space out on the ground, a perfect example was us against GWS last year. They are probably the best transition team in the comp but we strangled them and mauled them in close, however if we played them on the weekend we would have been smashed like the Bombers were.

We clearly don't have much pace on our list so the coaches have a decision to make.

1. Back in the current side and gameplan to overcome the pace disadvantage through sheer brute force. As much as we got cut up on the spread on Saturday we were ****ing abysmal at loose ball gets, normally guys like Oliver and Brayshaw eat those up but IMO they both had very poor games. I think this approach probably would see us beating up on the poor to mediocre sides again but will ultimately fail against the good sides at this stage of the year

2. Try and fast-track some pace into the side. Back in some of Hunt/Baker/Bedford/KK and instruct them to STAY ON THE OUTSIDE. I don't care if they shirk 5 contests a game we've got a whole midfield of cavemen butting heads trying to win the ball and it is killing us. Yes, this approach might set us back a bit but ultimately probably makes us a better side in the end

I think we'll play much better against Geelong, whether that is enough for a win I'm honestly not sure (Tipping us mainly out of hope). Lose this week and we basically have to beat the Bombers and Swans, because with our draw we aren't coming back from 1-3 let alone 0-4.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

See I don't think it'll be that fast down there, the ground is long but very narrow. Transition teams usually struggle vs the Cats down there, they've belted the Eagles and Giants plenty of times due to the lack of space to move the ball.

I'm pretty torn right now because I believe in giving the majority of the 22 on Saturday another chance to prove themselves because Salem and Melksham (Who I don't think was 100%) aside everyone played an absolute stinker, but on the other hand we got exposed in the same way we got done in 2018 and it is frustrating that we clearly have a huge issue against teams smart enough to spread against us now.

Can't remember who made the post so apologies for no credit but they got it spot on when they said the young quick teams thrive at this time of year, harder grounds and everyone is fresh. Teams who play like us won't come into our own till those teams start to tire and there is less space out on the ground, a perfect example was us against GWS last year. They are probably the best transition team in the comp but we strangled them and mauled them in close, however if we played them on the weekend we would have been smashed like the Bombers were.

We clearly don't have much pace on our list so the coaches have a decision to make.

1. Back in the current side and gameplan to overcome the pace disadvantage through sheer brute force. As much as we got cut up on the spread on Saturday we were ******* abysmal at loose ball gets, normally guys like Oliver and Brayshaw eat those up but IMO they both had very poor games. I think this approach probably would see us beating up on the poor to mediocre sides again but will ultimately fail against the good sides at this stage of the year

2. Try and fast-track some pace into the side. Back in some of Hunt/Baker/Bedford/KK and instruct them to STAY ON THE OUTSIDE. I don't care if they shirk 5 contests a game we've got a whole midfield of cavemen butting heads trying to win the ball and it is killing us. Yes, this approach might set us back a bit but ultimately probably makes us a better side in the end

I think we'll play much better against Geelong, whether that is enough for a win I'm honestly not sure (Tipping us mainly out of hope). Lose this week and we basically have to beat the Bombers and Swans, because with our draw we aren't coming back from 1-3 let alone 0-4.

Yeah I can't help but feel Saturday was largely due to a lack of appropriate instruction. We looked very good in the first quarter hunting the footy, Port changed something up, and we continued to try to do what we were doing early without responding to the change in the contest. Be mindful of the need to complement your teammates and run into space and spread and remain aware that not all balls need to be won contested.

 

[schmuttt]

Also the lack of physicality was pathetic on Saturday, starting with Gawn. Mate you're the biggest ****ing campaigner out there, play like it. Viney and Jones also huge culprits here. Hope Goody called them soft because that is exactly what we were.

 

[dylan93]

Have a feeling we'll only get 2 changes. With plenty of blokes on notice though if they put in another poor performance.

 

[blitznu]

See I don't think it'll be that fast down there, the ground is long but very narrow. Transition teams usually struggle vs the Cats down there, they've belted the Eagles and Giants plenty of times due to the lack of space to move the ball.

I'm pretty torn right now because I believe in giving the majority of the 22 on Saturday another chance to prove themselves because Salem and Melksham (Who I don't think was 100%) aside everyone played an absolute stinker, but on the other hand we got exposed in the same way we got done in 2018 and it is frustrating that we clearly have a huge issue against teams smart enough to spread against us now.

Can't remember who made the post so apologies for no credit but they got it spot on when they said the young quick teams thrive at this time of year, harder grounds and everyone is fresh. Teams who play like us won't come into our own till those teams start to tire and there is less space out on the ground, a perfect example was us against GWS last year. They are probably the best transition team in the comp but we strangled them and mauled them in close, however if we played them on the weekend we would have been smashed like the Bombers were.

We clearly don't have much pace on our list so the coaches have a decision to make.

1. Back in the current side and gameplan to overcome the pace disadvantage through sheer brute force. As much as we got cut up on the spread on Saturday we were ******* abysmal at loose ball gets, normally guys like Oliver and Brayshaw eat those up but IMO they both had very poor games. I think this approach probably would see us beating up on the poor to mediocre sides again but will ultimately fail against the good sides at this stage of the year

2. Try and fast-track some pace into the side. Back in some of Hunt/Baker/Bedford/KK and instruct them to STAY ON THE OUTSIDE. I don't care if they shirk 5 contests a game we've got a whole midfield of cavemen butting heads trying to win the ball and it is killing us. Yes, this approach might set us back a bit but ultimately probably makes us a better side in the end

I think we'll play much better against Geelong, whether that is enough for a win I'm honestly not sure (Tipping us mainly out of hope). Lose this week and we basically have to beat the Bombers and Swans, because with our draw we aren't coming back from 1-3 let alone 0-4.

Funny how most teams can blood youth yet we seem to not want to or dont back in our guys. We had the equal least amount of debutants with 3 last year(Richmond and Port were the others). But port had 7 new players from other clubs we had Lever.
Why didnt Baker atleast get a crack when he was in the best for Casey. Petty got 1 game was pretty shit but there was no going we'll back ya in for another week so take some lessons from that game, its ****ing hot out there isnt it youngin.
I dont understand why we can't back in some fresh faces. Id be going **** it lets give Bedford a crack as that small forward for this first month just go out and do your thing. selection panel picks all inside mids for the 8 or whatever mid spots. Can't just rely on contested footy and bombing it in long we lose the same way everytime

 

[Topkent]

Can't remember who made the post so apologies for no credit but they got it spot on when they said the young quick teams thrive at this time of year, harder grounds and everyone is fresh. Teams who play like us won't come into our own till those teams start to tire and there is less space out on the ground, a perfect example was us against GWS last year. They are probably the best transition team in the comp but we strangled them and mauled them in close, however if we played them on the weekend we would have been smashed like the Bombers were.
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