Preview Changes vs North

[Dancing Potato]

It's a bonafide late season dead rubber clash of the titans. 14th vs 16th. Minnow vs minnow.

Our season is dead so surely it's time to release the shackles and mix things up! Try some other kids! Mix up the midfield!

Hahahaha...no.

It's Trac, Clarry and Viney all day, every day until their bones turn to dust, forcing them to retire.

But tell me your hopes and dreams for changes anyway.

 

[Scythe]

LDU and potentially Xerri out with concussion. Prepare yourselves for an inspirational 70-60 win and a smug Goodwin presser.

 

[Lord Nev]

There's always what we want and what will happen... Gets harder as the season goes on to even bother with what we want as there's just 0 chance our stubborn coach actually tries stuff.

What it will probably be:
OUT: Lever (inj), Sharp
IN: TMac, Windsor (sub)

Just can't even be bothered thinking about what I would want to happen. No point.

 

[Scythe]

ARE YOU READY (FOR CHARLIE SPARGO

9

Charlie Spargo

Age

25

Ht

172cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.7

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

5.3

4star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.6

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

G

0.0

1star

D

13.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.2

4star

)?

 

[schmuttt]

LDU and potentially Xerri out with concussion. Prepare yourselves for an inspirational 70-60 win and a smug Goodwin presser.

'Yeah look it was incredibly pleasing to win today. Our contest work was much better and I think we brought the heat against a good young team in North. Really happy with our leaders standing up after a tough couple weeks. We know our fans want to see consistent effort week on week and I feel they'd be going home pretty happy.'

 

[Brock 'n' Roll]

Crowd - 11,247

 

[melbun]

OUT: Lever (for passing the ball to the opposition too many times)
Salem (giving the ball to his opponent and jogging)
Fritsch (missed chances and slow jogging)
Petracca (slow chase, paid too much do any chasing)

Oliver retains a spot as sub, because he at least tries to run fast)

 

[melbun]

'Yeah look it was incredibly pleasing to win today. Our contest work was much better and I think we brought the heat against a good young team in North. Really happy with our leaders standing up after a tough couple weeks. We know our fans want to see consistent effort week on week and I feel they'd be going home pretty happy.'

Can you also supply the script if we lose? I will pass them onto Simon.

 

[danster168]

Out: Lever, Jefferson, Trac
In Adams, TMac, K.Brown

 

[schmuttt]

Can you also supply the script if we lose? I will pass them onto Simon.

'It definitely wasn't the result we wanted today. I felt we were strong at the contest but our connection inside 50 wasn't quite there. North are very good around the ball so I think we can take some encouragement from that, but we will keep working incredibly hard during the week on our F50 entries. Our fans know and understand how hard we are working and I've got no doubt we'll see some reward before the year is out. It's easy to forget how hard this competition has become week to week, we've gone from a strong top 4 side over a number of years and probably only slipped 5-10% and find ourselves bottom 6.'

 

[Charlie_s123]

Won’t happen, but you just can’t accept this from one of your top paid players who attends just about every stoppage.

Doesn’t get clearances, can’t kick, can’t provide an option out of the back half as he can’t take a mark.

Just keeps our younger players from developing and learning how to play in the midfield at afl level.

If the coach had any guts, Oliver would be at Casey for the rest of the season and we would rotate guys like Langford and Lindsay and Windsor through

 

[Macka1203]

Crowd - 11,247

north fans have shown up to the G this year plus its a game they will probably win. it'll be 30k at least and they'll outnumber us 3 to 1

 

[Toump Ass]

ARE YOU READY (FOR CHARLIE SPARGO)?

 

[Lord Nev]

Won’t happen, but you just can’t accept this from one of your top paid players who attends just about every stoppage.

Doesn’t get clearances, can’t kick, can’t provide an option out of the back half as he can’t take a mark.

Just keeps our younger players from developing and learning how to play in the midfield at afl level.

If the coach had any guts, Oliver would be at Casey for the rest of the season and we would rotate guys like Langford and Lindsay and Windsor through

Just to put it out there, a comparison from this game:

Disposals
Clarry 23, Trac 23

Clearances
Clarry 3, Trac 0

CBAs
Clarry 75%, Trac 82%

Inside 50s
Clarry 3, Trac 3

Disposal Eff.
Clarry 82.6, Trac 65.2

Kicking Eff.
Clarry 85.7, Trac 50%

Pressure Acts
Clarry 20 (highest Demon), Trac 12

Tackles
Clarry 4, Trac 2

TOG
Clarry 79%, Trac 86%

This isn't to say Clarry was good by any stretch, but if he's going to Casey then Trac should be going with him.

 

[Charlie_s123]

Just to put it out there, a comparison from this game:

Disposals
Clarry 23, Trac 23

Clearances
Clarry 3, Trac 0

CBAs
Clarry 75%, Trac 82%

Inside 50s
Clarry 3, Trac 3

Disposal Eff.
Clarry 82.6, Trac 65.2

Kicking Eff.
Clarry 85.7, Trac 50%

Pressure Acts
Clarry 20 (highest Demon), Trac 12

Tackles
Clarry 4, Trac 2

TOG
Clarry 79%, Trac 86%

This isn't to say Clarry was good by any stretch, but if he's going to Casey then Trac should be going with him.

As you may have seen I’m no huge fan of Trac at the moment either!

I just feel like he offers more versatility which makes him more valuable to keep in the side over Oliver (even if they’re both playing like shit). But tbh I wouldn’t mind seeing Trac go to Casey either

 

[Lord Nev]

As you may have seen I’m no huge fan of Trac at the moment either!

I just feel like he offers more versatility which makes him more valuable to keep in the side over Oliver (even if they’re both playing like shit). But tbh I wouldn’t mind seeing Trac go to Casey either

Thing is, he doesn't.

Trac is in the minuses for expected score rating, so it actually hurts us when he plays forward now.

His kicking is the 4th worst for us, with only Jefferson, Johnson and Laurie lower than him.

Ideally, they both go end of year IMO.

 

[Charlie_s123]

Thing is, he doesn't.

Trac is in the minuses for expected score rating, so it actually hurts us when he plays forward now.

His kicking is the 4th worst for us, with only Jefferson, Johnson and Laurie lower than him.

Ideally, they both go end of year IMO.

Wouldn't be fussed to see him go to Casey or gone at the end of the year either. Having them stink it up in the middle every week, depriving our young talent from developing and absorbing a good chunk of the salary cap while they're at it isn't great for the club.

 

[Scythe]

Thing is, he doesn't.

Trac is in the minuses for expected score rating, so it actually hurts us when he plays forward now.

His kicking is the 4th worst for us, with only Jefferson, Johnson and Laurie lower than him.

Ideally, they both go end of year IMO.

His inaccuracy doesn't mean that Charlie_s123 is wrong by stating that he's more versatile than Oliver though (which he clearly is).

Even in a terrible year for him, he's providing more score involvements than Oliver has in any season for his career, bar 2018, where we were the top scoring team in the competition by a mile.

Not every critique about Oliver needs to be balanced with Trac criticism. They're both (rightly) being criticised and can be assessed separately.

 

[Lord Nev]

His inaccuracy doesn't mean that Charlie_s123 is wrong by stating that he's more versatile than Oliver though (which he clearly is).

Even in a terrible year for him, he's providing more score involvements than Oliver has in any season for his career, bar 2018, where we were the top scoring team in the competition by a mile.

Not every critique about Oliver needs to be balanced with Trac criticism. They're both (rightly) being criticised and can be assessed separately.

Meh. Trac, who plays a bit forward, is averaging 7.2 score involvements, Clarry is averaging 5.1. Not really a significant stat or difference to mean much IMO.

I only try to balance it because Oliver has (at most rightly) copped it, whereas I've seen many Dees supporters giving Trac an out due to his 'near death experience' when the reality is he's been declining for a while.

 

[Daemon]

Meh. Trac, who plays a bit forward, is averaging 7.2 score involvements, Clarry is averaging 5.1. Not really a significant stat or difference to mean much IMO.

I only try to balance it because Oliver has (at most rightly) copped it, whereas I've seen many Dees supporters giving Trac an out due to his 'near death experience' when the reality is he's been declining for a while.

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Great graph. Really highlights the drop off from those players since 2021. Of course Gawn has only gotten better, what a legend.

 

[Scythe]

I only try to balance it because Oliver has (at most rightly) copped it, whereas I've seen many Dees supporters giving Trac an out due to his 'near death experience' when the reality is he's been declining for a while.

And without opening up our favourite can of worms yet again, there's a reason for that. One is the consummate pro who has had a terrible season after a freak accident which was out of his control, one has regularly had issues with professionalism and preparation over the past couple of years (yes, he's also had some issues which were out of his control).

It's not hard to see why some are more sympathetic to one than the other. That he reportedly requested a trade really shouldn't make any difference to that argument.

Re the graph, what's the formula/indicator that it's actually measuring? On numerical value it seems to be displaying that Petracca has been 3-4 times the player Gawn has been over the past five years, so it's hard to place too much value on it without further context.

 

[dylan93]

What I want to see this coming week:

FB: McVee May Bowey
HB: Salem Turner Lindsay
C: Langdon Rivers Windsor
HF: Kentfield Jefferson Viney
FF: Chandler JVR Melksham
RUC: Gawn Pickett Langford
INT: Oliver Sparrow Culley Adams (Petracca)

OUT: Lever (should have never come in, get him right in the VFL), Sharp (not AFL standard), Tholstrup (omitted - I want him to show consistency in VFL before he's given a chance), Fritsch (omitted).

IN: Kentfield, Windsor, Culley, Adams

CBAs need to go to Rivers, Pickett, Langford, Viney, Oliver and anyone else. Trac to get a rocket up him and play as sub.

Change needs to happen or Goody has to go end of season. Kentfield and Turner to rotate if and when necessary.

 

[Lord Nev]

And without opening up our favourite can of worms yet again, there's a reason for that. One is the consummate pro who has had a terrible season after a freak accident which was out of his control, one has regularly had issues with professionalism and preparation over the past couple of years (yes, he's also had some issues which were out of his control).

It's not hard to see why some are more sympathetic to one than the other. That he reportedly requested a trade really shouldn't make any difference to that argument.

Re the graph, what's the formula/indicator that it's actually measuring? On numerical value it seems to be displaying that Petracca has been 3-4 times the player Gawn has been over the past five years, so it's hard to place too much value on it without further context.

Take another look at the graph above - When was Petracca's injury again?

(I pulled the graph from a Dees supporter on twitter, I believe it's the player ratings numbers)

 

[Scythe]

Take another look at the graph above - When was Petracca's injury again?

(I pulled the graph from a Dees supporter on twitter, I believe it's the player ratings numbers)

I'm not sure that supports your argument to be honest, as it's showing that Petracca has been a better player than Oliver every year?

Don't think it's player ratings - they usually only go up to 20 or so for season averages. Must be a different indicator, and it would help to know what it is before putting too much stock into it.

 

[Lord Nev]

I'm not sure that supports your argument to be honest, as it's showing that Petracca has been a better player than Oliver every year?

Don't think it's player ratings - they usually only go up to 20 or so for season averages. Must be a different indicator, and it would help to know what it is before putting too much stock into it.

Yeah that's fair, it might be the blokes own rating system as he runs his own stats website. Take your point there.

Will see if I can find out specifically how it's worked out. Stand by.