CHANGES VS THE SINNERS.

[E Shed]

I'd rather lose and improve our draft pick than play someone like Ibbo who serves absolutely no purpose in our rebuild.

I'd rather give Nyuis a go but if the choice is between Sheridan (who I don't see as part of our future either) and another seasoned player I believe Ibbotson offers more. He was apparently handy on a wing for Peel last week. I've got a fair amount of respect for Ibbo who has been a pretty good warrior over the journey and doesn't necessarily belong on the scrap heap just yet.
Also while it is probably more advantageous long term to finish near bottom I would say the players would love to scrape into the 8 and have a crack at a final or 2. That sort of thing is great for building a hardened group of players coming through together. Imagine Shaun Darcy getting to play a final in his first year with Logue, Tucker and Balic. Great for the esprit de corp. Belief goes a long way.

 

[mike91]

So over the next few weeks our INS will include :
S Hill
Blakeley
Bennel
Langdon

Hopefully Balic too

 

[Crippa]

I'd rather give Nyuis a go but if the choice is between Sheridan (who I don't see as part of our future either) and another seasoned player I believe Ibbotson offers more. He was apparently handy on a wing for Peel last week. I've got a fair amount of respect for Ibbo who has been a pretty good warrior over the journey and doesn't necessarily belong on the scrap heap just yet.

As estibador suggested earlier, Sheridan would most likely have been dropped if not for Blakely's last-minute stuff-up. Assuming that to be the case, it would have been a mistake to select Nyhuis only to drop him next week when Blakely returns and when Ryan is being given a run and Hughes is clearly ahead of him.

As to your pro-Ibbotson argument:

1. Sheridan also knows how to rack up the stats at Peel. If the choice is between Ibbo and Sheridan (and according to you neither is part of our future), playing Sheridan at least gives him a chance to improve his trade value for us. Playing Ibbo offers no such benefit.
2. Hughes and Ryan are Ibbo-type replacements. We don't need 3 players of that type in the side, or Ibbo holding back their development.
3. I highly doubt the non-selection of Ibbotson will be the difference between us winning and losing. But let's say you're right, we select Ibbo and he performs as you anticipate, that would mean we couldn't drop him, thus further delaying Nyhuis' call-up and those lining up in the queue behind up him, such as Duman.

Sadly for Ibbo, that is no longer an option. I'm sure Ross would have sympathy for your sentiments, but the time for gifting games as a reward for being "a pretty good warrior over the journey" is long gone. There are only 9 rounds left in the season, and we're systematically working our way through the list to see who stays and who goes.

 

[E Shed]

As estibador suggested earlier, Sheridan would most likely have been dropped if not for Blakely's last-minute stuff-up. Assuming that to be the case, it would have been a mistake to select Nyhuis only to drop him next week when Blakely returns and when Ryan is being given a run and Hughes is clearly ahead of him.

As to your pro-Ibbotson argument:

1. Sheridan also knows how to rack up the stats at Peel. If the choice is between Ibbo and Sheridan (and according to you neither is part of our future), playing Sheridan at least gives him a chance to improve his trade value for us. Playing Ibbo offers no such benefit.
2. Hughes and Ryan are Ibbo-type replacements. We don't need 3 players of that type in the side, or Ibbo holding back their development.
3. I highly doubt the non-selection of Ibbotson will be the difference between us winning and losing. But let's say you're right, we select Ibbo and he performs as you anticipate, that would mean we couldn't drop him, thus further delaying Nyhuis' call-up and those lining up in the queue behind up him, such as Duman.

Sadly for Ibbo, that is no longer an option. I'm sure Ross would have sympathy for your sentiments, but the time for gifting games as a reward for being "a pretty good warrior over the journey" is long gone. There are only 9 rounds left in the season, and we're systematically working our way through the list to see who stays and who goes.

Yep, can't argue with much of that. I just have a bit of a soft spot for Ibbo who was not far off AA at one point where as Sheridan has been pretty much nothing but a disappointment and wasted draft pick. I remember reading his draft bio when we got him and commenting that he sounded a bit vanilla but he hasn't even lived up that that IMO.

 

[Lach72]

Yep, can't argue with much of that. I just have a bit of a soft spot for Ibbo who was not far off AA at one point where as Sheridan has been pretty much nothing but a disappointment and wasted draft pick. I remember reading his draft bio when we got him and commenting that he sounded a bit vanilla but he hasn't even lived up that that IMO.

I suppos he was pick 16 when about half the picks were GWS and pre-drafts were out too

 

[Crippa]

I just have a bit of a soft spot for Ibbo who was not far off AA at one point.

Ibbo was not far off AA form 4 years ago. That was the year Scott Pendlebury described Chris Mayne as "the best exponent of the game's skills and attributes" in the field of goalkicking.

In short, that's ancient history.

As one who has repeatedly railed against Ross for his misplaced loyalty towards the old hands who delivered for him in the past, you seem to be demonstrating the very same "blind spot" when it comes to your own favourites that you accuse him of having.

 

[E Shed]

As one who has repeatedly railed against Ross for his misplaced loyalty towards the old hands who delivered for him in the past, you seem to be demonstrating the very same "blind spot" when it comes to your own favourites that you accuse him of having.

No doubt, but I'm just a punter having a conversation about footy in my spare time on a message board.
Its not an argument I've put a lot of thought into, was just an offhand remark that if it were between Sheridan and Ibbo I'd prefer Ibbo and you have comprehensively dismantled my argument so yeah busted, I'm a hypocrite sometimes. No one is right all the time including Ross.

 

[Joao]

No doubt, but I'm just a punter having a conversation about footy in my spare time on a message board.
Its not an argument I've put a lot of thought into, was just an offhand remark that if it were between Sheridan and Ibbo I'd prefer Ibbo and you have comprehensively dismantled my argument so yeah busted, I'm a hypocrite sometimes. No one is right all the time including Ross.

I'd play Sherro over Ibbo simply because Sherro could play his way into some trade currency. I don't think his future is with us but he has shown enough to warrant a second chance and I think he could become a solid squad player.

 

[meima]

I agree with sheriden pure vanilla consider some behind his pick are doing not badly. Forget about GwS concession . Lachie Neale , Joel hamling , b.hill ,Elliot yeo . I will not play both ibbo or sherriden and move croz to play wing or HB.

 

[Joao]

I agree with sheriden pure vanilla consider some behind his pick are doing not badly. Forget about GwS concession . Lachie Neale , Joel hamling , b.hill ,Elliot yeo .

That happens EVERY draft though. Goodes went pick 60 or something stupid. Sam Mitchell went 36. Fyfe went 20. Plenty of spuds before them.

He hasn't been great, but he does have some ability but cant roll it out weekly. I think he needs a change of environment and I also think he needs to not play defense.

 

[meima]

That happens EVERY draft though. Goodes went pick 60 or something stupid. Sam Mitchell went 36. Fyfe went 20. Plenty of spuds before them.

He hasn't been great, but he does have some ability but cant roll it out weekly. I think he needs a change of environment and I also think he needs to not play defense.

I agree about change of environment, I think he is freo Version of tom lamb . Some ability as winger but always had s.hill ,d.pearce and now b hill,Weller and langdon infront of him .

Edit : tucker as a second year player are way in front .

 

[StingBitten]

Surely any talk of us playing finals will be well and truly over if we lose tomorrow. There exists a faint flicker if we do win however.

 

[meima]

With this kind of percentage , if freo make top 8 that will be great .

 

[Joao]

Surely any talk of us playing finals will be well and truly over if we lose tomorrow. There exists a faint flicker if we do win however.

I don't rate us (objectively) any chance of finals even if we win tomorrow. We just don't play 4 quarters and our youngsters will tire in the second half of the season. We are lucky to be 6-7 and our % reflects this.

We have played excellent footy for parts of games but we have too many difficult games in the back end of the season to get away with playing 2-3 quarters per game.

Run home.
Saints (H)
North (A)
Derby
Hawks (H)
GWS (A)
Suns (H)
Swans (A)
Tigers (H)
Dons (A)

I'm only really confident about the Suns game and even that could change. Early season Hawks would have been a win but they just rolled the Crows at AO. I suppose the good news is that only really the Sydney teams are pre-pencilled losses. Even if we win all games bar those two, that is 13 wins with our awful %.

 

[tonygeeks]

I'd rather lose and improve our draft pick than play someone like Ibbo who serves absolutely no purpose in our rebuild.

What about building a bit of trade value if he had a decent run of form


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[meima]

What about building a bit of trade value if he had a decent run of form


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30 years old next year can't see any value you can build .

 

[tonygeeks]

30 years old can't see any value you can build .

Fair enough I thought he was only 28 - 29


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[YelloMit]

Had the rug pulled out from under you two rounds in a row now, what's the go Yello Mit ?!

Been super busy, then super sick.

 

[kingswood71]

move croz to play wing

Now thats a good idea