Roast Chris Mayne Why?

[THATSGOLD]

Worst recruits for the past 30 years and we are stuck with them now.

 

[Stoods]

Worst recruits for the past 30 years and we are stuck with them now.

Your on fire with these comments on all these threads TG

 

[Kappa]

I said at the time and i'll say again, neither will make it to the ends of their contracts.

 

[pablo disco bar]

I said at the time and i'll say again, neither will make it to the ends of their contracts.

One can only hope

 

[Dynamics]

I said at the time and i'll say again, neither will make it to the ends of their contracts.

Hard to argue.

Wells by virtue of his age and injury issues.

Mayne... Well I don't want to us the word virtue at this point. I'm sure he's a nice bloke and is working his arse off, but... What else can you say about his contract and his contribution so far?

 

[cakewalk06]

Can anyone categorically say who had the final call on signing Chris Mayne for four years? Who was the driver of the deal?

I think most fans thought it was a ridiculous deal but I was prepared to live in hope that the powers that be at Collingwood know more than me and a change of scenery would revive Mayne's career to the extent that he was a serviceable part of a well-drilled team. Wrong.

We were told good citizen, great work ethic and forward pressure? Instead vanilla player with ZERO physical presence who can't stick a tackle to save himself. Good citizen maybe.

So who wanted the deal? And were they also responsible for bringing previous mediocrity/last legs players into the club like Lynch, Jordan Russell, Simon Buckley et al. If so, it's time to go...

I won't blame Hine for not excelling at the draft as we have not had great picks during the whole GC/GSW years, but someone has to carry the can for filing our list with cloggers for 5 years.

End rant

 

[iGNITER]

We were topping up for that flag tilt. We are so close.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Notwithstanding the cheap snide remarks about these two picks ups, I'd still categories them separately.

Wells was worth the RISK! Absolutely!

Mayne, just NO UPSIDE evident and thank you Gubby for what we just don't need.

That's said:

Let's start with the facts, BOTH were FREE AGENTS so they came for nothing.

Now to SALARY CAP and CONTRACT TERMS on these there can be genuine angst.

Mayne seems for no purpose.

Wells again is separate to me, he is worth every risk.
He's played 6 games with us this year, we WON 4 and LOST by 1 Point v GWS.
The first game he played was his first and a bit rusty which Essendon beat us in ANZAC day.
So on a small sample he was VERY GOOD for us.
Worth it.

Mayne just doesn't bring enough to the table, so it was questionable.

Now people have thrown up other older recruits eg Russell. No great shakes Agee, but he played to the level of what we would have got late draft, nothing much came after him so it was simply list top up.

But anyway, the better players you bring in, the better quality the better the list improves the better we will go.

That's the great dilemma for all clubs

 

[Scodog10]

They're fine and suitable list additions. Just not at the price paid.

As for our key forward needs, last offseason wasn't the correct offseason.

In years past there have been the James Podsiadly and Jarrad Waite types with more in the tank. Travis Cloke was that guy last year with more and being underrated, but he's gone now.

2014 was the offseason to load up on key forwards with Wright available at 5, Moore. Reece McKenzie I liked late as a third key forward but for reasons beyond AFL he was unable to make it.

On this years draft I have some good news. It's a draft stacked with key forwards (and ruckmen). Not good for much else. But in terms of long term build. This year is the year if we have a pick or two inside the first round. And being a relatively (in my view) weaker draft, I'd expect some clubs to shop those picks.

To all those looking to load up on the 2018 draft because it's a so called "super draft" let this be a warning to you! KM is probably the man on here re draft outlook and this statement is completely at odds with how things have panned out.

For mine this year remains the one to load up and we must fix our KP problems. On a side note it's good to see you've finally acknowledged how bad the Mayne move was Saintly. Amazing really after the early season stubbornness...

 

[10571z]

I just hate to think how useless these 2 will be in another 2 years let alone now

 

[mike123]

Wells is alright, we need guys with pace and foot skills.

Mayne sucks and we would have been better off keeping Cloke.


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[10571z]

Wells is alright, we need guys with pace and foot skills.

Mayne sucks and we would have been better off keeping Cloke.


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Wells is alright? He is injury prone. He will play probably 10 more games for the pies at best. Absolute waste of money.

 

[Matz]

I said at the time and i'll say again, neither will make it to the ends of their contracts.

Don't think it matters, my understanding is even if we delist Mayne we still have to pay him out and it counts towards cap space for however many years we contracted him for.


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[jathanas]

Wells is alright? He is injury prone. He will play probably 10 more games for the pies at best. Absolute waste of money.

That could pan out, but that is a worst case scenario. I back the club's decision to bring Wells in.

Mayne... that was a plan so cunning, it was more cunning than a fox who was professor of cunning at Oxford!

 

[Bad Horse]

Don't think it matters, my understanding is even if we delist Mayne we still have to pay him out and it counts towards cap space for however many years we contracted him for.


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And at some point the list spot itself may be important enough to free it up even with those caveats.

 

[domin8tors]

I have no issue with wells. infact we had a winning record with him playing. Mayne on the other hand. wow between him and Blair is 800K we will never get back. that could have been spent on getting josh Jenkins or lynch from GC probably even Riewolt from Richmond on that coin.

 

[Quicky]

I completely understand the decision to bring in Wells and was supportive of it at the time. But retrospect will prove it to be a mistake.

We have incorrectly appraised the quality of our list and needed to start hitting the draft. When we lost Brown to free agency we shouldn't have brought in any free agents and banked the pick. I expect it would have been a second rounder.

When you add that we don't have a fitness department to get a player like Wells right; then consider wages and contract lengths which hamstring us from attacking trades for players are a real list need; and it becomes a really bad mistake.

 

[mike123]

Wells is alright? He is injury prone. He will play probably 10 more games for the pies at best. Absolute waste of money.

Ehh, his best is worth the risk.


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[Bad Horse]

That could pan out, but that is a worst case scenario. I back the club's decision to bring Wells in.

Mayne... that was a plan so cunning, it was more cunning than a fox who was professor of cunning at Oxford!

"So Baldrick, we need a key forward!"

"Yes Mister B, and dont despair, I have a cunning plan!"

"I see you have a crate there Balders. Does it contain...?"

"A key forward mister B? Well...I thought about getting one at first, and then I thought, what happens if Blair goes down...and Greenwood...and Crocker...and Elliott...and Fasolo...because, we need small/medium forwards who cant crumb, right, but we might lose all of them in a freak boating accident so..."

"So you got me...?"

"Another medium forward! But I made sure I got one who can mark like Blair, tackle like Fasolo, kick like Greenwood, with hair worse than Elliott, and who plays like hes played less games than Crocker, so we have them all covered!"

 

[Knightmare]

To all those looking to load up on the 2018 draft because it's a so called "super draft" let this be a warning to you! KM is probably the man on here re draft outlook and this statement is completely at odds with how things have panned out.

For mine this year remains the one to load up and we must fix our KP problems. On a side note it's good to see you've finally acknowledged how bad the Mayne move was Saintly. Amazing really after the early season stubbornness...

I still agree with my earlier statements. It's a weak draft this year except from a tall perspective. There is good depth and plenty of options with regard to key forwards, key defenders and ruckmen.

Next year is a much stronger and deeper draft overall. It's also from a Collingwood list needs perspective a great draft to be involved in, or so it appears early days, with one out and out special key forward (Lukosius) who probably goes pick one/two and several exceptionally talented speedy/offensive types who can provide the outside spark and drive we're lacking (Rankine from SA particularly is special with Hill from WA another).

Given this, we should be fairly active both in this year's and next year's drafts.

 

[jscan]

Two guys that are worth no where near what we paid, they are laughing all the way to to the bank.

Well's at least has shown a glimmer, Mayne has shown nothing and I doubt he could care less when your on 500k regardless.

 

[TW Sherrin]

To all those looking to load up on the 2018 draft because it's a so called "super draft" let this be a warning to you! KM is probably the man on here re draft outlook and this statement is completely at odds with how things have panned out.

For mine this year remains the one to load up and we must fix our KP problems. On a side note it's good to see you've finally acknowledged how bad the Mayne move was Saintly. Amazing really after the early season stubbornness...

Sco sometimes your posts come across a little self righteous.

 

[Matz]

And at some point the list spot itself may be important enough to free it up even with those caveats.

True.

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[Saintly Viewed]

To all those looking to load up on the 2018 draft because it's a so called "super draft" let this be a warning to you! KM is probably the man on here re draft outlook and this statement is completely at odds with how things have panned out.

For mine this year remains the one to load up and we must fix our KP problems. On a side note it's good to see you've finally acknowledged how bad the Mayne move was Saintly. Amazing really after the early season stubbornness...

Mayne looks a total bust.
There is basically nothing he could do, or is capable to do that will redeem this one.
But I gave him his chance, it's a bust.
Cop it fair and square and move on.
He's not the future. And sadly he's not even the present.

I'd certainly hang on to our early draft pick and go for best available key forward, absolutely.
I'd even trade for lower pick assuming we can get this Sutherland fellow that seems the logical key player touted?
Or another ten year A grade potential key forward.

But knowing our luck we'll somehow miss by one the elite talent and get some trying hard Josh Fraser type.
That's a good ten year player over say the number 29 of Fremantle..... still get chills about it.

(Though everybody said Fraser was a golden ticket! That's the Collingwood luck. We get the other guy Pavlich I think his name was, we may have won 2002 and 2007)

 

[Tazzaye]

You really cant say we haven't done well with our drafting over the years, think most clubs would have taken Fraser #1