Coach Chris Scott re-signs to 2022 (aka the Chris Scott discussion Part IV)

[Mad_Hatter]

No, while people blame the loss on Scott when individual culpability is ignored and dismissed there is no use in discussing these things.

Aren't you doing the same then? Ignoring obvious coaching issues and instead focusing on player mistakes?
I completely agree the players shit the bed collectively, but that is also a coaches job, preparation and training. We fail there too.

 

[son of meto]

Lol. Let’s drop Hawkins, Rohan and Taylor for a final.

I have a better idea...let's drop an in-form Ruckman...and play no Ruckman against the best Ruckman in the AFL. So bad, I can't even believe it happened.

 

[Spazz Cat]

Lol. Let’s drop Hawkins, Rohan and Taylor for a final.

Taylor or Kolo had to be dropped, instead of moving Blitz into the ruck. Such a silly decision. But that's just poor tactics.
Unfortunately Rohan's finals form has continued. Our coaches were unable to fix it.
Hawkins? No you don't drop him, but missing shots at the start of finals has hurt us so badly. Not just normal misses either.
Instead of pretending it's not a problem, this is a different team, different year etc
Just moneyballing it in, needs to be worked with like a lot of our players. Need to learn to deal with crowd noise and nerves.
Instead of denial, admit it and improve it.
But it's too late now anyway.

 

[catman2006]

C'mon CE, you can point to the fact he's highly unlikely to be sacked as why you support him but if you want to try to use these as examples then it can be completely undone with the following.

Continuing to allow open pies defensive side of every contest.
Continuing to allow, through a very open defensive zone, the pies to hit up short targets.
Continuing to allow pies to run from behind the player with the ball for easy handball receives.
Continuing to play slow and down the line when it obviously won't, and hasn't, worked.
Continuing to allow the pies to spread from contests due to having zero protection outside.
Continuing to allow the pies defenders to stand in front, block our forwards and get numbers to any long high ball.
Continuing to refuse to switch or try to take the game on.
Refusal to play an actual ruckman against the best ruck in the comp.
Refusal to stick with in form players to instead bring in favourites.

To be fair half those issues are players not doing what they have been told other than 2nd last one about ruck

 

[The_Todd07]

To be fair half those issues are players not doing what they have been told other than 2nd last one about ruck

If the coach can't get the players to follow the gameplan what's the point of him being there

 

[Mad_Hatter]

To be fair half those issues are players not doing what they have been told other than 2nd last one about ruck

The first 4 I mentioned are entirely structure around the contest.... none of that is player driven.
Obviously it shows Knights is a terrible coach, not so much on Scott, but I lump the MC together.

 

[son of meto]

He is unable to adapt, or devise alternative strategies. Single minded.

No, it's just cover. Tactic is simple. Pretend like everything is fine...just play a dead bat to all questions...deflect. Question what the reporters and everyone is seeing out there and act like you have inside info that they aren't aware of. It's classic corporate defensiveness...some call it passive protectionism.

 

[catempire]

Aren't you doing the same then? Ignoring obvious coaching issues and instead focusing on player mistakes?
I completely agree the players s**t the bed collectively, but that is also a coaches job, preparation and training. We fail there too.

Nah sorry. You’re doing it. Blaming the coach for player errors.

 

[catempire]

I have a better idea...let's drop an in-form Ruckman...and play no Ruckman against the best Ruckman in the AFL. So bad, I can't even believe it happened.

No argument from me there. Diabolical call.

 

[catempire]

It was tactics for Hawkins and Rohan to miss easy goals and for Taylor and Kolo to shit the bed.

#tactics

 

[son of meto]

No argument from me there. Diabolical call.

Thank you for that concession CE. But, should CS (and Match Committee/Coaching Staff) take the responsibility and fall out for that? How should the club and fan base react to that decision?

 

[Cataholic]

This style has failed in one final. Previous styles have failed in other finals. An important distinction: the 2019 brand is vastly different to the 2018 one yet we still have a problem.

We've now failed in what - 10 out of 13 finals - in basically the exact same insipid way, despite the variations of style?

The players have some responsibility, absolutely no doubt, but the fact that we regularly and predictably fall apart so badly in finals, despite variations in our style and / or starting 22, would suggest to a lot of observers that Scott is the core problem. He is the common denominator.

 

[Luckygannet95]

Don’t like him, haven’t for years. Strikes me as supercilious.

Almost vomited last night when he carried on like a fool after Tuouhy kicked the goal to get us within 19 points. 19 points! Having been pantsed up until then. It’s not like we had taken the lead in the last quarter. As a supporter I find that sort of thing dispiriting, as it suggests to me he’s just barracking like the rest of us.

I had the same reaction to the same moment. I want a coach that does his job and is cool under pressure, like a good general. Shows that he is rapped up in the emotion instead of trying to work out why a straight forward marking attempt was dropped by Rohan I think. Sack him, done with no plan B.

 

[Mad_Hatter]

Nah sorry. You’re doing it. Blaming the coach for player errors.

See above (and read my posts, I think you know me well enough).
I'm blaming the coaches for selection decisions and structural issues.
I'm blaming the players for costly mistakes and bone-headed decisions.
I'm also blaming the admin for failed and ignorant business decisions.
It doesn't have to be one or the other.

 

[catempire]

Thank you for that concession CE. But, should CS (and Match Committee/Coaching Staff) take the responsibility and fall out for that? How should the club and fan base react to that decision?

We have every right to condemn it as we all have.

 

[son of meto]

It was tactics for Hawkins and Rohan to miss easy goals and for Taylor and Kolo to s**t the bed.

#tactics

In every game I've watched over 40+ years players have missed shots and made errors. Even the best players have their moments. But, there comes a time when repeated patterns of behaviour over extended periods of time from a club must go beyond individual on-field moments of error or brain fade. You've got to see past the trees and see the big picture...surely. There is a culture problem at Geelong and it starts with CS.

 

[catempire]

See above (and read my posts, I think you know me well enough).
I'm blaming the coaches for selection decisions and structural issues.
I'm blaming the players for costly mistakes and bone-headed decisions.
I'm also blaming the admin for failed and ignorant business decisions.
It doesn't have to be one or the other.

Again... how is Hawkins and Rohan skill errors a selection decision or a structural issue? It's a player execution issue. It requires no overlay of coaching critique whatsoever. They were diabolical skill errors. End of.

 

[catman2006]

If the coach can't get the players to follow the gameplan what's the point of him being there

Continuing to allow, through a very open defensive zone, the pies to hit up short targets
Mids aren't dropping back fast enough to help defence plug gaps and is a work rate problem of the individual

Continuing to allow pies to run from behind the player with the ball for easy handball receives.
We set up behind the ball mids and def, the forwards need to drop down to cover centre square and ability of collingwood to switch they arent doing that work rate issue again.

Continuing to play slow and down the line when it obviously won't, and hasn't, worked.
The decision making of players need to be questioned no doubt they have been instructed to play that way if they cant move the ball on quickly but look at last nights game again quite a few times players went safe instead of taking the game on when their was a free man on, tghis one is a bit of Collingwood doing well inflexability of our system and our players being dumb...

 

[catempire]

In every game I've watched over 40+ years players have missed shots and made errors. Even the best players have their moments. But, there comes a time when repeated patterns of behaviour over extended periods of time from a club must go beyond individual on-field moments of error or brain fade. You've got to see past the trees and see the big picture...surely. There is a culture problem at Geelong and it starts with CS.

Make a coherent case how different coaching could eliminate the errors we saw in the first quarter last night. Convince me.

 

[son of meto]

We have every right to condemn it as we all have.

Condemnation is one thing...slap on the wrist. What is the appropriate reaction? Should CS get a reprimand from the CEO or Board? Doubtful, I know. But that was so bad, it bordered on negligent...if I did that at my work, I'd be in the bosses office quick smart.

 

[catempire]

Condemnation is one thing...slap on the wrist. What is the appropriate reaction? Should CS get a reprimand from the CEO or Board? Doubtful, I know. But that was so bad, it bordered on negligent...if I did that at my work, I'd be in the bosses office quick smart.

Would we know if something had been done? Let's say Cook reprimands Scott - is that going to be a public thing?

 

[Cataholic]

No use indeed.

Absolutely no doubt the players should assume some responsibility, and be scrutinised.

But It is uncanny how we have turned up to 10 (?) finals now, and turned in the same limp efforts, despite changes to our personell, positionings, and game style.

How have the same problems plagued us despite those changes?

 

[Spazz Cat]

It was tactics for Hawkins and Rohan to miss easy goals and for Taylor and Kolo to s**t the bed.

#tactics

You've lost it now and let your emotions get the better of you.
Making things up, and the 14yo girl style hashtag.
But that's ok. It's an emotional time, and feelings should be embraced instead of swept aside.

 

[Stucky]

Rohan marks 20m our near directly in front. Kicks out on the full. Scott’s fault.

Hawkins earns a free 15m out on a tight angle. Bizarrely, after snapping these all year he tries a drop punt and misses. Scott’s fault.

Harry Taylor three times in the first quarter spoils his own team mate leading to Pie goals. Scott’s fault.

Kolo does a volleyball “set” instead of marking the ball inside D50 leading to a Pie goal. Scott’s fault.

These things happen in every game for every team, nothing new. The stagnant ball movement and and kick it down the line game plan was the problem. 10 more shots at goal would of got us the win. Yes you need to take your chances at goal in finals and all games but having 1 goal on the board in 50 mins of play in the first half has a lot more to do with the game plan than anything else.

 

[Cataholic]

No, it's just cover. Tactic is simple. Pretend like everything is fine...just play a dead bat to all questions...deflect. Question what the reporters and everyone is seeing out there and act like you have inside info that they aren't aware of. It's classic corporate defensiveness...some call it passive protectionism.

Yes... . But is it also cover for him not having an answer??