Chris Tarrant - our new CHB

[pistol17]

Ofcourse, but I know what result I'd be betting on.

Yea and i with you on the result, well maybe. I think it is worth a try during th NAB cup, even if it only for a half of footy. Not much has worked for us, evidence of this being how many finals we have played in.

I remember Ash McIntosh was once a Forward then malthouse threw him back and well we all know he was a pretty decent defender. Not saying it will work but why not try it.

 

[greenred]

Interesting that amongst my whole reply you pick out the most throw away response. Do you have a reply of substance?

If I can ever stop laughing at your attempt to compare Grover and McDougall I may be able to come up with something.

 

[Moo]

So did Andrew McDougall

Bawahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

McDudall wasn't even strong enough to hold a marking position at WAFL level against a 17 year old playing his first senior game.

Let us not speaketh his name anymore.

 

[Underdog]

If I can ever stop laughing at your attempt to compare Grover and McDougall I may be able to come up with something.

The comparison was because McDougall had all the physical aspects required to be a quality forward barring perhaps strength. However, his athletic ability masked that. Unfortunately he had the heart the size of a pea.

I'm not suggesting Grover has a pea-heart but he MAY NOT have the mental capacity to play as a gun forward.

Now why don't you act mature and play the ball, not the man. You haven't come close to addressing my points. I assume that's because your evidence ends at "I have a hunch"

 

[greenred]

The comparison was because McDougall had all the physical aspects required to be a quality forward barring perhaps strength. However, his athletic ability masked that. Unfortunately he had the heart the size of a pea.

I'm not suggesting Grover has a pea-heart but he MAY NOT have the mental capacity to play as a gun forward.

Now why don't you act mature and play the ball, not the man. You haven't come close to addressing my points. I assume that's because your evidence ends at "I have a hunch"

There is no comparison. One is a player who did it the hard way and is 4 games away from playing 150 AFL games, the other is a pretty boy chump who conned a packet out of two clubs by doing nothing other than looking the part.

To address your points -

1. Height - Grover is 4cm shorter than the best KPP in the league. He's used to playing out of his weight division as a backman. There is no reason he can't transfer that to the forward line.

2. 'Cherry picking' - he is a very good mark and 99/100 chooses the right option between a marking attempt and a spoil. He is a very strong mark and rarely, if ever, drops one.

3. Kicking - you really do seem to have a problem with comparisons. Lynch? Really? Grover's kicking is fine. It's not elite, but there is nothing to suggest it won't be good enough for him to slot most shots through.

4. Creativity/Timing/Playing in a forward setup - he doesn't appear to be as creative as a McPharlin type, but that is simply due to his position. He is not afraid to run off his man and venture forward when the opportunity presents, but when you're spending your days minding the best forwards in the league, you've usually got other things to worry about. Has spent time in the middle also, which suggests his creativity is not completely absent.
Timing I would have thought was an important skill to have mastered as a backman. Same with judgement. If you lack either or both, it's will cost you big time playing against players like Lloyd and Fevola.
Playing in a forward set up - he's played as part of a team in the backline for years. I'm sure he's capable of learning a set play or two.

5. Mental capacity - do you have any idea who Grover is? What would even make you consider that he may lack the mental capacity to play as a key forward? Everything he has displayed in his 146 game career has suggested that he has a tough, uncompromising, never say die attitude.

 

[Chops_a_must]

Good pace without being anything special

Bow bow.

See, this is why you are a complete ****nupple with absolutely no idea that should **** off.

He was a champion junior sprinter.

And still, AFAIK runs low 11 second hundreds.

Seriously, get ****ed.

 

[greenred]

Bow bow.

See, this is why you are a complete ****nupple with absolutely no idea that should **** off.

He was a champion junior sprinter.

And still, AFAIK runs low 11 second hundreds.

Seriously, get ****ed.

I have serious doubts that Underdog has ever seen Grover. I'm at a complete loss as to who he thinks he may be. I can't find any player at Fremantle, past or present, that I could compare to McDougall.

 

[palmernator]

I just cant understand the thinking behind this proposed moved, it seems as though Harvs is looking out for a 28 year old failed investment instead of looking forward and nuturing and developing a guy like Marcus Drum who has shown a fair bit down back.

Grover would be our second best defender currently, we are moving him because Tarrant has fired up forward???

Seems like a little bit of Dejavu, first we stunt Murphy's growth, now Drum is in the firing line.

 

[Ripper]

Makes perfect sense.

Tazza has all the attributes of Grover plus a few cm.

Groves has presence just like his Dad who looks like He could still kick 5 from CHF/FF today for Freo if needed.

Groves is 10cm taller than Medders

 

[Underdog]

Bow bow.

See, this is why you are a complete ****nupple with absolutely no idea that should **** off.

He was a champion junior sprinter.

And still, AFAIK runs low 11 second hundreds.

Seriously, get ****ed.

Sure he has good pace. He may have elite pace running 100 metres in a straight line but how often is it utilised in the AFL? How often do you hear "geez, Grover is a jet"?

For the record, I NEVER said he wouldn't be a gun forward. He could be. I'd suggest he'd be more a solid-good forward much like his defensive work but who knows? Ultimately, not much of what he has shown yet proves he is capable of being a gun forward.

 

[Chops_a_must]

Sure he has good pace. He may have elite pace running 100 metres in a straight line but how often is it utilised in the AFL? How often do you hear "geez, Grover is a jet"?

You honestly have no clue.

No-one says anything about Grover... because well, nobody says anything about Grover.

Every lead is like a sprint.

Certainly the only reason a crab like me was useful in juniors.

 

[sabre_ac]

Any mention of Medhurst or the Tarrant trade by a Pie's supporter will be infracted.

Stay on topic.

For what its worth, playing in at CHB for the NAB can't hurt.

 

[Rob]

I have serious doubts that Underdog has ever seen Grover. I'm at a complete loss as to who he thinks he may be. I can't find any player at Fremantle, past or present, that I could compare to McDougall.

Dan Parker?

 

[Underdog]

You honestly have no clue.

No-one says anything about Grover... because well, nobody says anything about Grover.

Every lead is like a sprint.

Certainly the only reason a crab like me was useful in juniors.

We'll just wait and see then I guess.

 

[Chops_a_must]

We'll just wait and see then I guess.

Wait and see what?

You get handed your arse again commenting on things you have no idea about?

 

[Underdog]

Wait and see what?

You get handed your arse again commenting on things you have no idea about?

How Grover performs up forward...if he gets a chance.

I think he'll be a solid-good player rather then a gun as I've stated all along. Which part do you disagree with and which part is malicious that warrants this abuse?

 

[Chops_a_must]

Which part do you disagree with and which part is malicious that warrants this abuse?

The part that proved you were a total flog that had no idea.

 

[Underdog]

The part that proved you were a total flog that had no idea.

That I don't think he uses his potential speed to full effect in the AFL?

Wow...hard hitting

In fact my description of his "good pace" was a quote and agreeing with a Freo fans opinion. Why does his opinion not warrant abuse?

 

[Archimedes]

I think it may end up being a waste of time moving Grover forward. Why not leave him where he does best, in the backline. I agree partly with what Underdog is saying. I think he is a tad small for a key forward post to be good in the position. Glad to be proven wrong, but I think it would be more beneficial getting time and confidence into Murphy and Campbell.

As for Tarrant in the Backline, perhaps on a flank but I don't think he will be tight checking enough for a key position post. A better option would be (as others have suggested) on the wing where he can utilise his pace and field kicking.

 

[dominguez]

As someone else mentioned Harvey's comment about Grover playing a new role appeared to be tongue in cheek.

 

[Belnakor]

the other is Tarrant's turning circle is pretty close to the Queen Mary

 

[pistol17]

In case everyone has missed the point here, tarrants role at CHB is for the NAB CUP only, same with grover going forward.

I think some have short memories about asking for a change of roles at the club (not neccesarily taz and groves) and now it has happened not many ppl want to see what happens

 

[theGav56]

The other thing that has not been discussed much here is that in our backline we do not have a shortage of tall players; MacPharlin, Grover, Johnson, Mundy, Drum, Dodd, Thornton. If we needed a CHB to pinch hit or whatver then I would rather see any of those fellas doing it than Tarrant, who would need a significant apprenticeship before I would have him as a first selection in that position. You could add Gilmore to that list. The big forwards sometimes outmuscle our backs (Gehrig, Hall etc) but Tarrant isn't that much of a body on body type, despite his obvious qualities.

Regarding Grover up forward, I think he would be fine in the role that Solomon has occasionally played, a sort of defensive 3rd tall, and probably kick a few goals if we don't kick it to Pavlich all the time. But I think he is one of our 2 best tall defenders, and would prefer someone else to step up in the backline with Grover becoming the third tall backman. If we have no confidence in Murphy and Campbell to become the third tall forward I'd be looking to Drum who has yet cemented a place, Mundy or Johnson.

 

[smkwd]

I just cant understand the thinking behind this proposed moved, it seems as though Harvs is looking out for a 28 year old failed investment instead of looking forward and nuturing and developing a guy like Marcus Drum who has shown a fair bit down back.

Grover would be our second best defender currently, we are moving him because Tarrant has fired up forward???

Seems like a little bit of Dejavu, first we stunt Murphy's growth, now Drum is in the firing line.

Hitmeup007, is that you???

 

[palmernator]

Hitmeup007, is that you???

Are you all like this?

Everyone seems to be paranoid, I've been on here for a couple of days and already I have been accused of being another poster.

WTF?