Politics Climate Change Paradox (cont in part 2)

[Snake_Baker]

The planet doesn't .

LOL, the planet doesn't give two shits about the human race.

 

[Lethality]

LOL, the planet doesn't give two shits about the human race.

Well it's not a sentient being.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Dinosaurs thrived in 2000pm. We'll be doing well to last as long.

We'd survive that too.

Lower limit = ~ 5,000ppm

 

[Snake_Baker]

I'm guessing you're one of the old blokes who get really, really rattled by Greta

On cue.

You're a walking, talking version of "The Project"

 

[its free real estate]

The dinosaurs didn’t survive climate change.

 

[Snake_Baker]

James Watt invented the steam engine 50 years before Fourier formulated the heat equation.

Lol, just checked. The steam engine was invented before Carnot, Fourier and Kelvin were even born!

Denis Papin, physicist.

Wrong again wozzle.

Go play with some Lego. Build a castle & impress me.

 

[Father Jack]

On cue.

You're a walking, talking version of "The Project"

Your that one that got upset that I mentioned her. I don't watch The Project, do they laugh at old people who get upset by Greta too?

 

[Ron The Bear]

The dinosaurs didn’t survive climate change.

Please let me know when the next Chicxulub's arriving.

 

[its free real estate]

Denis Papin, physicist.

Wrong again wozzle.

What were the laws of thermodynamics he postulated?

Go play with some Lego. Build a castle & impress me.

Take up some beginners calculus and impress me.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Your that one that got upset that I mentioned her. I don't watch The Project, do they laugh at old people who get upset by Greta too?

 

[Snake_Baker]

What were the laws of thermodynamics he postulated?

This isn't a game show. You don't get to ring up someone or ask the audience. You were wrong. Again.

 

[Snake_Baker]

No rain until May.......................



............anyway.................back to "climate change".....................

 

[Kwality]

World leaders are powerless.

Did economics at school only, bear with me.
So world leaders being China India & the US have got more to gain acting alone - yep. Are there any others that count?

 

[its free real estate]

This isn't a game show. You don't get to ring up someone or ask the audience. You were wrong. Again.

Why, because you did a Wikipedia search on the steam engine?

Which laws of physics is Papin known for?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Why, because you did a Wikipedia search on the steam engine?

Which laws of physics is Papin known for?

Off the top of my head, Jean-Pierre Roger Guillaume Papin (French pronunciation: [ʒɑ̃ pjɛʁ papɛ̃]; born 5 November 1963) is a French former professional footballer who played as a forward, and who was named the Ballon d'Or and IFFHS World's Top Goal Scorer of the Year in 1991.

Papin achieved his greatest success while playing for Marseille between 1986 and 1992. He later played for A.C. Milan, FC Bayern Munich, Bordeaux, Guingamp, JS Saint-Pierroise and US Cap-Ferret. Papin also played 54 times for the French national team. After a short time as manager of French clubs, he joined the local amateur club AS Facture-Biganos Boïen as a player in 2009, aged 45.

Papin was known for his goalscoring, striking ability, and volleys, which his fans nicknamed Papinades in his honour.

 

[Kwality]

Nope. Thinking of the likes of Chevron, who are investing in NETs and the Chinese who are making a massive play in renewables.

Yet China are committed to expanding coal, why not renewables? Its not idelogy.

Old king coal fuels China’s new tech revolution - Asia Times

President Xi Jinping’s “Chinese Dream” is being fuelled by an addiction to coal. Behind the headlines of high-tech prowess in 5G, AI, or artificial

www.asiatimes.com

Zhao Yingmin, the deputy minister of the environment and in charge of climate negotiations, failed to ease those fears during a media briefing.

“We continue to work hard to advance the fight against climate change, but on the other hand, we are indeed facing multiple challenges such as developing the economy, improving the people’s livelihoods, eliminating poverty and controlling pollution,” he said.


More so in Europe, why coal, not renewables its cheaper is it?
Greenpeace Jan 14 https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/20...nd-road-coal-plants-in-bosnia-serbia-balkans/

 

[Snake_Baker]

Yet China are committed to expanding coal, why not renewables?

More so in Europe, why coal, not renewables its cheaper is it?

Because they know bullshit when they see it.

 

[its free real estate]

Off the top of my head, Jean-Pierre Roger Guillaume Papin (French pronunciation: [ʒɑ̃ pjɛʁ papɛ̃]; born 5 November 1963) is a French former professional footballer who played as a forward, and who was named the Ballon d'Or and IFFHS World's Top Goal Scorer of the Year in 1991.

Papin achieved his greatest success while playing for Marseille between 1986 and 1992. He later played for A.C. Milan, FC Bayern Munich, Bordeaux, Guingamp, JS Saint-Pierroise and US Cap-Ferret. Papin also played 54 times for the French national team. After a short time as manager of French clubs, he joined the local amateur club AS Facture-Biganos Boïen as a player in 2009, aged 45.

Papin was known for his goalscoring, striking ability, and volleys, which his fans nicknamed Papinades in his honour.

Truly a great of physics.

 

[Kwality]

Because they know bullshit when they see it.

They arent stupid
China also produces about one-third of the world's total of solar and wind power, but it's still a drop in the bucket compared to coal.
https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/01/raw-data-coal-and-renewable-production-in-china/

 

[Deliverance]

Yet China are committed to expanding coal, why not renewables? Its not idelogy.

Old king coal fuels China’s new tech revolution - Asia Times

President Xi Jinping’s “Chinese Dream” is being fuelled by an addiction to coal. Behind the headlines of high-tech prowess in 5G, AI, or artificial

www.asiatimes.com

Zhao Yingmin, the deputy minister of the environment and in charge of climate negotiations, failed to ease those fears during a media briefing.

“We continue to work hard to advance the fight against climate change, but on the other hand, we are indeed facing multiple challenges such as developing the economy, improving the people’s livelihoods, eliminating poverty and controlling pollution,” he said.


More so in Europe, why coal, not renewables its cheaper is it?
Greenpeace Jan 14 https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/20...nd-road-coal-plants-in-bosnia-serbia-balkans/

Yep, China is an issue. I can't imagine them getting their percentage of energy provided by coal any lower than 35%. Their in-house coal reserves are huge. That's why renewables can't be the only answer.
As for Europe. They're a chance to reach carbon neutrality by 2050.
So back to the original point. There's plenty of money to be made from the transition away from coal for clever economies.

 

[Hawk_francais]

How much or easily can Australia change its climate? or it's economy?
Answer : very little

I am glad you dropped in, as you have been a vocal advocate for reducing or even eradicating coal exports !

Now regardless of what your school teacher told you? Here are some facts to study.



https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=4050

(Emphasis mine to help you)

Edit: Can you imagine a world without steel?
No solar panels or wind turbines no....(complete the rest...)

Mate, Australia is the fourth largest coal producer in the world, and the largest exporter. Not only that, but our trend is headed slightly upward with approval for new projects. Really doesnt matter how you spin this one, we produce a lot of coal.

Scott Morrison revealed today that the coal industry generates $70bn for the national economy. And then there is the direct donations to both major parties. Goodbye coal, goodbye Hawaii.

 

[JackOutback]

Truly a great of physics.

How did he get the all to bend like that? We’ll probably never know.

 

[Frank Bunn]

There is no real risk to the economy being changed. You’re a complete alarmist in this regard as much as Extinction Rebellion

I'm not saying it's likely, and I argued that here. I'm saying that it would be very detrimental to change our economy in the way some people are calling for.

 

[PCSY]

Mate, Australia is the fourth largest coal producer in the world, and the largest exporter. Not only that, but our trend is headed slightly upward with approval for new projects. Really doesnt matter how you spin this one, we produce a lot of coal.

Scott Morrison revealed today that the coal industry generates $70bn for the national economy. And then there is the direct donations to both major parties. Goodbye coal, goodbye Hawaii.

In 88-89ish we were told “Goodbye Maldives in 30 years.” It won’t be goodbye and you know it.

 

[Frank Bunn]

You studied economics didn’t you? This is one of those classic prisoners dilemma situations where working together benefits you slightly collectively, but going alone against the wishes of the others can benefit you enormously. World leaders are powerless.

The Prisoner's dilemma relies on the two people not being able to communicate for mutual benefit. With the climate change agreements everything is out in the open. The only thing that is obscured is the participating governments concealing to their electorates how useless the agreement is in combating CO2 emissions.

The climate change benefits are intangible but the economics are well established. This is why every climate change summit has large contingents from the poorest countries, trying to extract a quid from the richest.

Then you build other real world complexities into the scenario. Eg. a Liberal or Labor Australian government might want to signal their climate change credentials by signing an international agreement, But also want to maintain a $70 billion mining industry - for tax revenue, jobs, political donations, union influence. We make the right noises about climate change so we are not seen as 'going it alone' but don't damage our economy. Each country has their own version of this. They are playing the climate change virtue signalling game, whilst trying to gain the best economic outcome for themselves.