Cloke's Kicking

[Beamsmagic]

As good as Trav's dominance around the ground was awesome - his kicking was atrocious. Granted it had no real bearing on the game but you would hate to lose a final or a GF cause of crap kicking. It seems to me that his kicking is so much confidence based - if he drills the 1st shot - he kicks 4 or 5. He misses that first shot and its points galore. Who is our goal kicking coach?? Bucks??

Thoughts??

 

[Pie eyed]

Trav should play outside the 50.
His set shots from just outside or on 50 are better than his efforts from 30. God knows why, but he has had this problem since year dot.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

For now, play Trav up the ground to make sure he takes any shots he may get from outside 50 where he nails most shots.

Otherwise he needs to practice practice practice.

Bucks and Rocca spent a lot of time with both Leigh Brown and Dawes and it's worked wonders for their accuracy. Wonder if they've done the same for Trav.

I have nightmares of being 5 points down in the last quarter of the Grand Final with the siren gone and Trav having the ball in his hands 20 metres out directly in front.

*shudders*

 

[chappo52]

Trav should play outside the 50.
His set shots from just outside or on 50 are better than his efforts from 30. God knows why, but he has had this problem since year dot.

He lines up differently, When Cloke is outside 50 he has the "natural arc". When he is within 30 he lines up straight and more often than not sprays it to the right.

 

[daics cousin]

Trav should play outside the 50.
His set shots from just outside or on 50 are better than his efforts from 30. God knows why, but he has had this problem since year dot.

Totally agree with Pie eyed !

He's something interesting guys.When Cloke first started at Collingwood ,he used to be a booming kick,He kicked with confidance and lo and be hold he was a straighter kick then.

Cloke changed his style for a while which may have forced him to kick in correctly and that dam glove he wears is a ceratin distraction i reckon.
Please can someone get BT or Daicos at the club to teach him to kick properly,or his kicking could cost us a flag.

Malcolm Blight on TV said that's its all to do with the way he holds the ball and he does not follow through correctly.

For goodness sake some teach him how to kick accurately..............Then again being a cloke ,his dad couldn't kick,his brothers can't kick straight,can't expect Travis to kick straight........That's it on second thoughts move cloke to CHB.....At least he can bomb it long to the forward line

 

[half_back_flank]

Every man and his dog has an opinion on Travis' technique and what he's doing wrong.

However, i think the majority of Travis' problems with goal kicking are mental, and after 5 years of the yips, it's going to be very tough to break this cycle.

 

[MrNatural]

My theory is that trav looks far too stiff while shooting for goal. He needs to be more relaxed. His arms are dead straight and just looks wrong. The better kicks for goal look more relaxed than him

 

[Dogs_Playing_Poker]

Trav should play outside the 50.
His set shots from just outside or on 50 are better than his efforts from 30. God knows why, but he has had this problem since year dot

Good Point! However what is stopping Trav from kicking his set shots from 50 (or close enough) anyway? So his shots from 30 out, go back further and kick them from 50!

 

[Thommo 42]

He's never had the kicking yips in finals, so hopefully that continues.

 

[Snag Breac]

Is it partly a mental thing? And if so, can we get him some help?

 

[TradeDraft]

It is very Worrying as it can Potentially Cost us a Flag

 

[BEEG]

He kicks the ball best when his leaning back

He has to lean back and kick through it when his 50 out

When his close he stabs at it and tries to get over it more

 

[half_back_flank]

Is it partly a mental thing? And if so, can we get him some help?

I believe it is close to all mental Snag.

It doesn't take more than 5 years to straighten out a players technique, there is much more to Travis' kicking woes.

Off field incidents haven't helped him at all mentally, i think it is going to take a while for Travis to get over 5+ years of the yips unfortunately. Hopefully the club has already made some progress.

 

[Pie eyed]

Totally agree with Pie eyed !

He's something interesting guys.When Cloke first started at Collingwood ,he used to be a booming kick,He kicked with confidance and lo and be hold he was a straighter kick then.

Cloke changed his style for a while which may have forced him to kick in correctly and that dam glove he wears is a ceratin distraction i reckon.
Please can someone get BT or Daicos at the club to teach him to kick properly,or his kicking could cost us a flag.

Malcolm Blight on TV said that's its all to do with the way he holds the ball and he does not follow through correctly.

For goodness sake some teach him how to kick accurately..............Then again being a cloke ,his dad couldn't kick,his brothers can't kick straight,can't expect Travis to kick straight........That's it on second thoughts move cloke to CHB.....At least he can bomb it long to the forward line

Just guessing but I'll bet Wayne Carey had something to do with it.
Lazy bastard.

 

[Nardz]

For now, play Trav up the ground to make sure he takes any shots he may get from outside 50 where he nails most shots.

Otherwise he needs to practice practice practice.

Bucks and Rocca spent a lot of time with both Leigh Brown and Dawes and it's worked wonders for their accuracy. Wonder if they've done the same for Trav.

I have nightmares of being 5 points down in the last quarter of the Grand Final with the siren gone and Trav having the ball in his hands 20 metres out directly in front.

*shudders*

if that happened i reckon i'd be halfway out of the ground by the time the ball sailed through for a point (or OOF)

Nick maxwell has a duty as captain to knock out cloke and render him unconcious so someone else can take the kick

 

[The Panther]

Until last year, he had no set technique. Simply unacceptable & his kicking is a liability.

Sorry Trav, you're dreaming if you think you are worth $450 K / season with such a major flaw.

 

[drummoyne]

Might be a silly proposition but in the event of a mark 20 metres out could he walk back to 60 out and take the set shot from a greater distance, say 45 metres? Seems that he kicks through it better from the 40-55 metre range..

 

[Thommo 42]

If that happens, he absolutely has to pull a 'Brian Lake'

 

[Pie eyed]

if that happened i reckon i'd be halfway out of the ground by the time the ball sailed through for a point (or OOF)

Nick maxwell has a duty as captain to knock out cloke and render him unconcious so someone else can take the kick

LOL.
Odds on that would be the one he threads.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Posted on the main board - that I reckon poor kicking for goal has the ability to derail a premiership for you guys this year.

The last two flags have been lost in great part due to innacuracy in front of goal. They say things happen in threes and I hope it doesn't affect you guys this year.

 

[MarkT2]

I am sh*t scared that Cloke will kick us out of a flag like Tarrant did in 2002. Too late for this season but we shoudl do what we didn't with Tarrant and give him kicking practise until he gets its right. If that means less running then so be it. Meanwhile, no one that kicks like that is worth $450k.

 

[Quicky]

Posted on the main board - that I reckon poor kicking for goal has the ability to derail a premiership for you guys this year.

The last two flags have been lost in great part due to innacuracy in front of goal. They say things happen in threes and I hope it doesn't affect you guys this year.

It's definitely a concern. We've had some shocking games with our kicking for goal but for the most part have been pretty good. I think it's really hard to quantify whats gone wrong when you have those games. Every team has them - look at the Saints for example last time they played us. I'd say as a rule our players are pretty good in front of the sticks with the exception of Cloke - and where the hell do you start with fixing that?

 

[shawthing09]

I think it's mainly mental now.

I don't think playing him mainly outside the 50 is an option IMO. As if he is played mainly as a wing / link type foward he is wasted. His field kicking is just as much if not more of a liability then his goal kicking. It would be nice if he could take all his marks 40/50 out but it's just to hard to dictate. As a foward line we look that much more dangerous with Cloke deep. He is the biggest presence we have and the type of guy who can take contested marks and really draw the ball and defenders. When he gets the ball further out we just don't seem to have the targets.

Cloke's kicking is an issue but it's one that needs to be lived with and fixed rather the worked around. Unless we can manage to structure a fowardline to win a premiership that is Cloke free. Because Cloke the FF is much better then Cloke the CHF/wingmen/HFF

 

[The Falcon Strike]

It's definitely a concern. We've had some shocking games with our kicking for goal but for the most part have been pretty good. I think it's really hard to quantify whats gone wrong when you have those games. Every team has them - look at the Saints for example last time they played us. I'd say as a rule our players are pretty good in front of the sticks with the exception of Cloke - and where the hell do you start with fixing that?

I think some of the comments on here have been right - play him further up the ground - and leave Dawes deep - his kicking has been superb.

In terms of goal kicking - Collingwood's is the worst of any team in the finals bar Hawthorn. And is significantly below that of the the other top 3 contenders.

I have a feeling a lot of it is due to the fact that you guys play the flanks more than then the corridor. Also - I think a lot if it is momentum with you guys - even moreso than any other team. When a few get nailed early - you guys don't seem to miss. However when a few go awry early - you guys seem to get in a rut. The stats will probably defy that - but just my take on it this year.

I'm hoping it doesn't happen - i'm praying for a Geelong/Pies GF and may even jump on the pies Bandwagon come September. But I do think it's your biggest deficiency.

 

[Quicky]

I think some of the comments on here have been right - play him further up the ground - and leave Dawes deep - his kicking has been superb.

Totally disagree for all the reasons ST has already mentioned. The reason Cloke dominated last week was largely because of his position on the ground - he's alot more dangerous deep. I think we just need to learn to deal with a dicey full forward in a similar way to Geelong and Mooney.

In terms of goal kicking - Collingwood's is the worst of any team in the finals bar Hawthorn. And is significantly below that of the the other top 3 contenders.

I have a feeling a lot of it is due to the fact that you guys play the flanks more than then the corridor. Also - I think a lot if it is momentum with you guys - even moreso than any other team. When a few get nailed early - you guys don't seem to miss. However when a few go awry early - you guys seem to get in a rut. The stats will probably defy that - but just my take on it this year.

I'd love to see those stats if you have them?

On our inaccuracy i'm not sure it's the boundary line so much as a few games that would really have blown the average out. Those games were extremely high pressure games and we were inaccurate as a result. That in itself is a worry as pressure is what you get come September.

I'm hoping it doesn't happen - i'm praying for a Geelong/Pies GF and may even jump on the pies Bandwagon come September. But I do think it's your biggest deficiency

May? Come on you can do better than that. Theres more than enough room on the wagon