News Club to launch external review of football department!

[tarczonandjane]

Out of interest, when a player has missed out on good development, can they get it back? For the purposes of my question, let’s say that the main thing wrong with Dow and O’Brien is lack of development. I know there is probably more going on, but let’s sheet it all home to development. If the club fixes up its development program, can these guys make it back up again? Or once you miss out on decent development, is it gone forever?

 

[CarltonBlooz]

Out of interest, when a player has missed out on good development, can they get it back? For the purposes of my question, let’s say that the main thing wrong with Dow and O’Brien is lack of development. I know there is probably more going on, but let’s sheet it all home to development. If the club fixes up its development program, can these guys make it back up again? Or once you miss out on decent development, is it gone forever?

They can absolutely make it back 100%, been said before and I'll say it again, refuse to believe we picked the only spuds in that draft.

Development was poor before Power + O'keefe got the job back in 2020 then COVID hits, no VFL, crippling as * for the youngins.

We've been trying to fix it since then, but no VFL hurt last year and the intermittent stopping of this year certainly wouldn't be helping.

Hurts you in the beginning and would hurt their confidence, but they aren't going to be terrible in perpetuity.

Dow been showing some signs, still long way away, but better + LOB seems to be going ok in the VFL.

Personally I think we'd have to wait until at least 100 games, 24/25 to really make the call on DOW, LOB, SPS etc.

Not to mention incredibly dumb things like playing Dow at HFF etc certainly wouldn't have helped in the beginning.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

8 different coaches since our last premiership, but it can never be the players' fault that we can't consistently win games.

Yerp, players need to get down and dirty week in and week out and be physically and mentally exhausted each and every time they walk off the field.

Have a look at Walsh when he walks off, after a win or a loss. He’s completely ****ed, that’s the level some of these other Prima donnas need to get to because it doesn’t matter what game plan you have if you’re not giving it your all week in and week out especially when you don’t have the ball


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[katmanblue]

Teague vows to get Blues back to ‘where they should be’

Carlton coach David Teague, fighting for his future, has defended key off-field personnel and maintains confidence in his on-field tactics which have proven defensively leaky.

www.theage.com.au

What's he meant to say?

"Yeah, nah we've got a bunch of dumb dumbs in key positions."

 

[Stamos]

It might be an unpopular belief, but I think game plans are a but overrated the way people speak about them.
Footballs fairly simple really, either zone up or go man on man in defence. When you have the ball use the best option and Play on quickly, protect your teammates, do the 1%s, run both ways and create space for forwards to lead into.

I think our main mistakes are team selection integrity and not playing players in the right positions. One of the footy podcasts suggested this week that perhaps the players have to much power atm, which affects team selection etc. Hope that is not the case. Also think we didn't recruit enough players with high footy IQ.

I think you're underestimating how much a good game plan influences "best option", "run both ways", "create space".
And definitely overestimating how simple it is to implement an effective zone.

 

[Original Moody Blue]

Those contract negotiations take months, you think they just hammer it out in half an arvo after the review was announced? Wut?

Liddle isn't on the ******* panel. It's been confirmed here multiple times. I think even Barass confirmed it. Jfc. Getting sick of reading sh*t doom and gloom about the review. It hasn't even happened yet. I think Sayers of all people knows how to set up an independent review. Jeeeeeeebuz

He is on the panel..


I am pleased to advise you that the following three panel members will conduct a holistic review of the entire football department. This panel will be led by incoming President Luke Sayers with the support of CEO Cain Liddle, and the final report with its recommendations will be delivered to the Carlton Football Club Board.

The three-member panel will be:

- Graham Lowe

- Geoff Walsh

- Matthew Pavlich

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

He is on the panel..


I am pleased to advise you that the following three panel members will conduct a holistic review of the entire football department. This panel will be led by incoming President Luke Sayers with the support of CEO Cain Liddle, and the final report with its recommendations will be delivered to the Carlton Football Club Board.

The three-member panel will be:

- Graham Lowe

- Geoff Walsh

- Matthew Pavlich

That quitel iterally says it's a 3 man panel without Liddle's name. It's a media message to say he supports the review. Baras confirmed he isn't on the ******* panel.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

shame supporters are more desperate for slashing & burning at the club than a win themselves..........oh well..........the blame game is so much fun.......

Yeah, isn't it? For your part, it's blaming the fans, obviously.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

8 different coaches since our last premiership, but it can never be the players' fault that we can't consistently win games.

You know I'm not a fan of the tail wagging the dog MSR, but this one is starting to look like Mick Malthouse trying to teach a game play that doesn't play to our strengths and not having a Plan B until the last quarter when we just went back to attacking like we did under Ratten. Where is the freedom we had when Teague was the caretaker coach? That's why he got the job. That's why the players backed him in.

 

[Michael Jezz]

Out of interest, when a player has missed out on good development, can they get it back? For the purposes of my question, let’s say that the main thing wrong with Dow and O’Brien is lack of development. I know there is probably more going on, but let’s sheet it all home to development. If the club fixes up its development program, can these guys make it back up again? Or once you miss out on decent development, is it gone forever?

Those 2 have flaws that development can not overcome. Not Afl level footballers

 

[La Dispute]

Out of interest, when a player has missed out on good development, can they get it back? For the purposes of my question, let’s say that the main thing wrong with Dow and O’Brien is lack of development. I know there is probably more going on, but let’s sheet it all home to development. If the club fixes up its development program, can these guys make it back up again? Or once you miss out on decent development, is it gone forever?

I reckon you can.

Look at how far back Langford and Laverde were in 2019, and they were also first round picks.

We’ve lost a bit of time, but Dow and LOB can still come good. Might not be stars, but we have these anyway. A bit of tinkering with their roles and some continuity at senior level coupled with the confidence that naturally comes from playing in a winning team is crucial.

 

[CarltonBlooz]

I reckon you can.

Look at how far back Langford and Laverde were in 2019, and they were also first round picks.

We’ve lost a bit of time, but Dow and LOB can still come good. Might not be stars, but we have these anyway. A bit of tinkering with their roles and some continuity at senior level coupled with the confidence that naturally comes from playing in a winning team is crucial.

I could see Dow being A grade one day, LOB is still ?? but early days for them both, still standby 100 games/24, 25 year old metric to really see where they're at.

 

[La Dispute]

I could see Dow being A grade one day, LOB is still ?? but early days for them both, still standby 100 games/24, 25 year old metric to really see where they're at.

I’m sensing some of the pressure has been released with Dow. He’s got a bit more purpose with what he’s doing, and understands his role a bit better. Looks to handball first, which is one of his biggest assets. Still too tentative at times, but he’s building slowly.

LOB just needs game time in the 1sts. We are desperate for a winger, my worry is he’ll be overtaken by Ramsay or Carroll.

 

[mediumsizered]

Do our indigenous players prefer to ignore those who ignore racism?

Seriously, how can you make this about bloody racism? Are you one of those people who can find racism in anything & everything? Next you'll be claiming he hasn't reduced his carbon footprint enough. Get yourself a life. Walsh is reviewing the Footy Department. I'm happy that we have someone who knows a bit about success engaged in such a review. Particularly someone who was part of our footy club when we were successful.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

Seriously, how can you make this about bloody racism? Are you one of those people who can find racism in anything & everything? Next you'll be claiming he hasn't reduced his carbon footprint enough. Get yourself a life. Walsh is reviewing the Footy Department. I'm happy that we have someone who knows a bit about success engaged in such a review. Particularly someone who was part of our footy club when we were successful.

It’s an art form, msr...

 

[mediumsizered]

You know I'm not a fan of the tail wagging the dog MSR, but this one is starting to look like Mick Malthouse trying to teach a game play that doesn't play to our strengths and not having a Plan B until the last quarter when we just went back to attacking like we did under Ratten. Where is the freedom we had when Teague was the caretaker coach? That's why he got the job. That's why the players backed him in.

It would seem over the last decade it wouldn't matter what game plan was being taught, our list can't seem to adapt to it. I'm still seeing some of the bad habits I was seeing 7-8 years ago, yet we have gone from Malthouse to Bolts to Teague in that time.

 

[mediumsizered]

It’s an art form, msr...

One that I am grateful I don't have.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

It would seem over the last decade it wouldn't matter what game plan was being taught, our list can't seem to adapt to it. I'm still seeing some of the bad habits I was seeing 7-8 years ago, yet we have gone from Malthouse to Bolts to Teague in that time.

We seem to coach the confidence out of our players. How many remain from 8 years ago? It just keeps happening. Weird.

 

[mediumsizered]

We seem to coach the confidence out of our players. How many remain from 8 years ago? It just keeps happening. Weird.

I wish I could put my finger on how history keeps repeating itself despite turning over coaches, recruiters, CEOs, Footy Dept bosses etc. I get the feeling we are recruiting the wrong types over & over again. I think we might have gone overboard on the 'no dickheads' policy.

 

[Ricky Mott]

It’s clear that the coaching staff have lost the players. David Teague’s appointment has set the club back many years. Not sure there’s a coach on that senior coaching panel that would get another job at another club. Other than Teague who played a handful of games for the club at a bleak time who are the full time Carlton people in our men’s football department? Plenty of the CEOs mates. The board has a lot to answer for allowing him to stick his mates into critical roles.

 

[Stickitupthem]

I’m pretty despondent seeing this club disintegrate again.
In the news again for all the wrong reasons.
A break from this unorganised badly run organisation is in order

 

[BlueTang]

I wish I could put my finger on how history keeps repeating itself despite turning over coaches, recruiters, CEOs, Footy Dept bosses etc. I get the feeling we are recruiting the wrong types over & over again. I think we might have gone overboard on the 'no dickheads' policy.

I work for a company that has a reputation for poor culture and high staff turnover - 33% a year (finance sector). Once the market gets an opinion it makes it really hard to attract good people to our organisation, we all so have a lot of long-term passengers who don't deliver a lot, But want to keep clipping a paycheck. It sounds similar to Carlton and probably explains a bit about the poor situation it continues to be in.

 

[smashbox gill]

I work for a company that has a reputation for poor culture and high staff turnover - 33% a year (finance sector). Once the market gets an opinion it makes it really hard to attract good people to our organisation, we all so have a lot of long-term passengers who don't deliver a lot, But want to keep clipping a paycheck. It sounds similar to Carlton and probably explains a bit about the poor situation it continues to be in.

AMP?

 

[The Great Ian]

This season was a write off before it began. Forget about a sudden change of fortunes.

This is a result of the dishonesty in the football department and the acceptance of mediocrity over many years.

Until that is genuinely addressed by the review and changes made then we’ll remain down the bottom of the ladder.


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[BlueTang]

AMP?

Nope, but not far from it..