Co-Captains???

[00Stinger]

I am in the same boat Spirit of 39 and rhaz when I am more about having 22 responsible players out on the field and that all of the 'senior' players should be leading on field.

That being said, co-captains will not work the same way co-managers doesn't work in an office, either someone should lead and be responsible or there is no point having a captain at all.

Co-managers in an office and Co-captains are totally opposite. Co-managers will not work as they need to make definitive decisions regarding the management of their areas. Really what decisions does a captain have to make?

Paul Roos has been one of the stand out coaches of the last 10 years, he appointed not co-captains but three captains. But your right, what would he know?

Leigh Matthews appointed Lynch and Voss as co-captains from 97-00. This might have even made Voss a better captain than had he been appointed by himself at the start. But once again you right, what would he know?

 

[syl]

Co-managers in an office and Co-captains are totally opposite. Co-managers will not work as they need to make definitive decisions regarding the management of their areas. Really what decisions does a captain have to make?

Paul Roos has been one of the stand out coaches of the last 10 years, he appointed not co-captains but three captains. But your right, what would he know?

Leigh Matthews appointed Lynch and Voss as co-captains from 97-00. This might have even made Voss a better captain than had he been appointed by himself at the start. But once again you right, what would he know?

Dude, get the **** off my back, all I said was I hate the idea, stop having a go at me and go drink a ****ing coffee.

Pointing out legendary coaches differing opinions hasn't changed my mind by the way.

*Edit: Just out of interest. what type of co-captain configuration are you in favour off?

Two youngsters such as Grimes, Trenners? Or a senior mentoring a junior such as Green, Trenners?

Melbourne's position is unique as we have a severe lack of on field leadership in the side at the moment and I think it is a long bow to draw to compare us to Sydney or Brissie in those respective eras.

 

[00Stinger]

Dude, get the **** off my back, all I said was I hate the idea, stop having a go at me and go drink a ****ing coffee.

Pointing out legendary coaches differing opinions hasn't changed my mind by the way.

*Edit: Just out of interest. what type of co-captain configuration are you in favour off?

Two youngsters such as Grimes, Trenners? Or a senior mentoring a junior such as Green, Trenners?

Melbourne's position is unique as we have a severe lack of on field leadership in the side at the moment and I think it is a long bow to draw to compare us to Sydney or Brissie in those respective eras.

Is this not a discussion board? Or am I not allowed to respond to your comments on this discussion board? If thats the case I apologise.

You compared co-captains to co-managers in an office and I pointed out they are totally different, no need to get touchy.

Personally I would go one of Moloney/Frawley and one of Trengove/Grimes.

If the club thought Frawley was advanced enough I would go him and Trengove. Grimes injuries have killed his chances I think

 

[syl]

Is this not a discussion board? Or am I not allowed to respond to your comments on this discussion board? If thats the case I apologise.

You compared co-captains to co-managers in an office and I pointed out they are totally different, no need to get touchy.

Personally I would go one of Moloney/Frawley and one of Trengove/Grimes.

If the club thought Frawley was advanced enough I would go him and Trengove. Grimes injuries have killed his chances I think

Ha! Projecting some morning office woes in here! Need a break from my co-workers I think...

I simply said I hate the idea, as in for MFC of 2011/12, no need to lump me in as saying anything about Roos or Matthews, that's just bullshit.

I don't like Grimes as a captain or leadership group member until he plays a full season.

Moloney and Trenners are my favourite Dees, but still don't want them to split the role.

If it had to be done, Trenners/Frawley for me.

 

[Supermercado]

McDonald and Bruce co-captained, remember

No, they co-caretaker captained.

 

[roostersgal4eva]

Co-managers in an office and Co-captains are totally opposite. Co-managers will not work as they need to make definitive decisions regarding the management of their areas. Really what decisions does a captain have to make?

Paul Roos has been one of the stand out coaches of the last 10 years, he appointed not co-captains but three captains. But your right, what would he know?

Leigh Matthews appointed Lynch and Voss as co-captains from 97-00. This might have even made Voss a better captain than had he been appointed by himself at the start. But once again you right, what would he know?

Being a Lions fan I can categorically say that it was the 100% right thing then and it still is now - even Vossy said himself it was better for him at the time & he felt he was a better captain for it.

Its not the 'done thing' but it depends on the group you have and the individuals you got.

I'd give it more thought before blindly dismissing it - because Matthews and Roos are such bad coaches

 

[Rudeurrection]

Success with co-captains?

Melbourne's last forty years with one captain.

What have ****ing got to lose, our history? Please, seriously.

 

[RandB]

Success with co-captains?

Melbourne's last forty years with one captain.

What have ****ing got to lose, our history? Please, seriously.

I tend to agree.

 

[Syrus]

McDonald and Bruce co-captained, remember

Nope. Only McDonald was the captain.

http://demonwiki.org/Captains

Paul Roos has been one of the stand out coaches of the last 10 years, he appointed not co-captains but three captains. But your right, what would he know?

Leigh Matthews appointed Lynch and Voss as co-captains from 97-00. This might have even made Voss a better captain than had he been appointed by himself at the start. But once again you right, what would he know?

Who cares about these Mickey Mouse merged clubs.

 

[demonfan9]

Who cares about these Mickey Mouse merged clubs.

Both have had more success in the last 15 years than we could dream of.

 

[Syrus]

Success with co-captains?

Melbourne's last forty years with one captain.

What have ****ing got to lose, our history? Please, seriously.

Would it make a difference if we had two Prime Ministers?

History is all we have Rude.

Why would this club bang on about how they made the rules, blaa blaa, blaa. And go and make an emblem with everything that revolved around the history only to piss it into the wind.

 

[00Stinger]

Would it make a difference if we had two Prime Ministers?

History is all we have Rude.

Why would this club bang on about how they made the rules, blaa blaa, blaa. And go and make an emblem with everything that revolved around the history only to piss it into the wind.

Prime Ministers??? Could you pick a more uncapatable example???

 

[Ageing Demon]

Both have had more success in the last 15 years than we could dream of.

Spot on, the dees could use a little M O U S E activity.
Back to the captain problem.
I really don't think it will greatly affect our year if we pick any one of about 4 players.
the idea of dual captains has merit.
Maloney and Green with Trengove VC looks good to me.

 

[Rudeurrection]

Would it make a difference if we had two Prime Ministers?

History is all we have Rude.

Why would this club bang on about how they made the rules, blaa blaa, blaa. And go and make an emblem with everything that revolved around the history only to piss it into the wind.

In the end i think it would make little difference this year weather we had co-captains or just the one.

As i mentioned in a previous post i have little to no confidence in our current 'leadership' group.

In a perfect world with a perfect club, yes, one captain would be the go. With our current playing list, do you seriously believe we have anyone who can really lead from the front? An person worthy of being an AFL captain?

Green is putrid and shouldnt even be mentioned.
Rivers, a big no thanks.
Moloney, i love the way he goes about it (hard as a cats head) but his off field behaviour along with his 'down stream' play (as someone else mentioned) leaves me with doubts.
Frawley doesnt speak confidently enough.
Jones turns it over too much and says 'dude' and 'stoked' too often.
Grimes is too injury prone
Trengove is too young.

Thats it in my view, thats all we have.

If i was going with one captain this year it would be Trengove, but i simply dont think he's ready at the moment.

The sentiment of our clubs history means sweet FA to me, when, at present time, we have such a dearth in our leadership ranks.

 

[Syrus]

Prime Ministers??? Could you pick a more uncapatable example???

I'm not sure if the word you mentioned is a word. I'll take it you mean incompatible?
Let me put it into context: At present time with our current Prime minister being the laughing stock of the Australian public with no leadsership skills, do you think it would matter if Kevin Rudd was helping her?

The answer is No.

In the end i think it would make little difference this year weather we had co-captains or just the one.

As i mentioned in a previous post i have little to no confidence in our current 'leadership' group.

In a perfect world with a perfect club, yes, one captain would be the go. With our current playing list, do you seriously believe we have anyone who can really lead from the front? An person worthy of being an AFL captain?

Green is putrid and shouldnt even be mentioned.
Rivers, a big no thanks.
Moloney, i love the way he goes about it (hard as a cats head) but his off field behaviour along with his 'down stream' play (as someone else mentioned) leaves me with doubts.
Frawley doesnt speak confidently enough.
Jones turns it over too much and says 'dude' and 'stoked' too often.
Grimes is too injury prone
Trengove is too young.

Thats it in my view, thats all we have.

If i was going with one captain this year it would be Trengove, but i simply dont think he's ready at the moment.

If it makes no difference f we have one or two captains, why change Rude?

If your feelings are true. It would matter little is all those names mentioned were all captains, if as you say they have no "leadership".

For me it is either Trengove or Moloney, with possibly Moloney getting the nod.

He plays a straight bat, which is what this club needs, not this pussy footing around shit that last years captain had. I would guarantee he would pull his head in off field if he had it. His on field leadership is second to none.
He is 28 in a couple of days time and probably has 3-4 years left in him, which would give Trengove that extra bit of time if he is too young.

 

[richskee]

A collegue told me while Neeld was coaching at Ocean Grove they had co captains, Maybe a sign.

I still think we will stick with Green. To assess his captaincy in a year of turmoil for the Mfc is unfair. He deserves a chance to redeem himself and give it a crack when our club isn't on his knees. Then we bring in Tren Dog for the next 10 years.

 

[SuburbanMe]

For me it is either Trengove or Moloney, with possibly Moloney getting the nod.

He plays a straight bat, which is what this club needs, not this pussy footing around shit that last years captain had. I would guarantee he would pull his head in off field if he had it. His on field leadership is second to none.
He is 28 in a couple of days time and probably has 3-4 years left in him, which would give Trengove that extra bit of time if he is too young.

100% agree with this statement. I've given this subject alot of thought - and I can't find ANY fault with the above statement. Beamer and Trenners is THE way to go. Green can go suck a Lemon.

OT - I would really like to take Martina Hingis to bed. Just putting it out there.

 

[Captain Jack]

Well here's a touchy subject! I must admit I'm torn on this one... my thought process was
1. oh yeah, tell me more?
2. nah, pissweak and non-committal way to do it.
3. if Sydney do it, it must be a good thing.
4. would be preferable to throwing Trengove to the wolves. (see Voss example above)

Currently, the conclusion of this train of thought is Moloney + Trengove ad co-Captains. I think it has some merit.*

That said, the original HS 'news' article was merely a piece of slow-news-day speculative fluff. No quotes, no substance, nothing. This article

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/n...aptains-for-2012/story-e6frfgbo-1226247804919

... is only better because it actually refers to a press conference given by the coach in question. Same shit, different smell.

* Opinion subject to violent and sudden change.

 

[00Stinger]

I'm not sure if the word you mentioned is a word. I'll take it you mean incompatible?
Let me put it into context: At present time with our current Prime minister being the laughing stock of the Australian public with no leadsership skills, do you think it would matter if Kevin Rudd was helping her?

The answer is No.

Let me put it to you like this, comparing the prime minister situation to us having co-captains is laughable. They are so totally different.

The prime-minister would be comparable to the coach (as they make tough decisions). The captain does not make any decisions, you do realise this, yeah?

 

[The Professor]

Just as Trengove is about to shed the (Trenogove/Scully) joined at the hip link, it would be ironic if he was co-captain with someone else.

I hate the idea of co-captains but it makes sense with our pathetic senior players.

hope MFC is bold and make Grimes captain. Trengove vice and Mckenzie and Jones Leadership group.

 

[jd1991]

Sorry to intrude.

I am not saying I agree with any of the following but these could all be options

1. Co-captains (senior player and up and comer - ala Lynch/Voss). This becomes a mentor/student type situation
2. Swans co-captain style (3 players - 1 player predominat fwd, another mainly midfield, and one mainly plays in the backline - thus all 3 areas of the ground has ongoing leadership.) - this spreads the load, and also can possible helps fast track peoples leadership development.
3. Saints rotational style of captain - where each year a new player takes on the role. This helped saints devolpe multi peoples leadership qualities, plus not over burdening one player with the captaincy year after year.

All 3 options are against the norm, and thus would be considered less than optimal. But been an outsider looking in, and the tone of the posts - the people who have posted have a generally unfavourable opinion about the depth of candidates in the optimal age band.

If this is the case with the group - a non standard approach may be worth investigating.

 

[SuburbanMe]

Just as Trengove is about to shed the (Trenogove/Scully) joined at the hip link, it would be ironic if he was co-captain with someone else.

Not sure what co-captaincy has to do with the scully/trenners thing. That was about the draft picks - this is about the captaincy.

It's obvious That trenners will be the eventual captain of the club - I think this is more about who's gonna help him do his 'Apprenticeship'.

 

[Franky_024]

My Vote is Moloney for Captain, Grimes (Back), Sylvia (FWD) and Tenners (MID) for VC's

In 2 years Molony steps down for Trengrove or Grimes as our next future captain

 

[BiggerPotential]

Co-Captains are just WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! It doesn't work well often and it shows that we can't trust one capable leader.

Agree.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Three of the leagues more successful recent teams have employed co-captains or a rotational policy.