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Mark W said:
Good pick, and yup, thats who I was referring to in my previous post! Of course I fully understand why he wasn't picked earlier cause he isnt really one of us (though I agree his season for us was pretty good and instrumental in big Sav kicking 90. But he was an absolute champion. FWIW, Id choose him as my best CHF of players Ive seen. Yes, many could argue that Carey or Hart were better, but if its a Grand Final Id go with Dermie every time (I didn't think Careys games in PdFs and GFs were all that great)
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I will throw into the discussion that Frank Murphy should be in the conversation with that group. CHF in 6 Grand Finals in a row and Premiership CHF in 4 Grand Finals in a row.
 
South of the Yarra said:
I will throw into the discussion that Frank Murphy should be in the conversation with that group. CHF in 6 Grand Finals in a row and Premiership CHF in 4 Grand Finals in a row.
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Possibly, although you are using team metrics to rate an individual player. A little like saying Bucks wasn't as good as Voss because Voss got three flags.
 
Jelly Bean said:
Possibly, although you are using team metrics to rate an individual player. A little like saying Bucks wasn't as good as Voss because Voss got three flags.
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Can see your point but probably more taking Nuts opinion on the matter than Team success.

When talk turns to the game’s great centre half-forwards, Frank Murphy’s name is rarely mentioned. But those who saw him in action, or played alongside him, rated him in the top ranks, and talked glowingly of the role he played in Collingwood’s Machine-era successes.

Gordon Coventry, who played at full-forward throughout Murphy’s career, is unequivocal: “In that position (centre half-forward) he was a champion,” Coventry wrote in The Sporting Globe in 1938. “For ten years he played in front of me, and could take credit for hundreds of the goals I scored. Murphy helped me in all the games when I scored a big bag of goals.

“Frank had great pace, while his marking was excellent,” Coventry commented. “He could kick with either foot, passing with a deadly accuracy. Whenever I saw he had a chance of getting the ball, I tore into the open and Murphy did the rest. His grand marking was followed up by a quick get-away that left opponents yards behind. He always seemed to be able to get balanced before he kicked, and I could always rely on the ball going to a position that would allow me to take it with ease.”

Frank’s brother Len, himself a Collingwood teammate, added simply: “He was one of the best. He had a great pair of hands, was quick and clever and could do anything.”
 

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Tickster, thanks for regularly updating the spreadsheet, it was incredibly useful to see what position everyone else had available and several times it influenced my selections.

In the next couple of days hopefully I’ll start to get a voting thread going. Ideally, everyone puts their team into the B, HB, C ect. format and on each line explain in a couple of sentences (or more) to justify their selections. Post them in this thread when finished, once everyone has posted I’ll start the voting poll thread. That ensures the OP will include every team from the very start, listed in draft order. I thought this would be fairest, rather than creating the poll thread and if someone got held up posting their team justification they will miss the first minutes/hours/days of voting.

Thanks again to everyone for making this such a success, it’s exceeded even my most optimistic of expectations and has been a fantastic experience in learning more about the players and history of our great club.

raymond35 Jelly Bean South of the Yarra Tarkyn_24 Trickster magpies42 iGNITER Pie 4 Life cityslick1 gouki88
 
I've also added some stats across all teams and players to highlight the number of games per team, goals, B&Fs won, Flags played in and Leading Goalkickers. I could have done more but I had to put a stop somewhere. I've also drawn the line from 1897 as it was easier to find some of this info.

Also just a caveat, while I've tried to check as much as I could, a few errors may have snuck in given I've tried to use fomulas to pull data where I could.

Now these stats are not designed to tell the full story of how good a player or these teams are, it's just purely a fun way of highlighting some numbers (I am a numbers person so I've probably gone overboard!).

Some interesting observations across teams (apologies for not highlighting stats across all teams but hopefully all selectors can gain something anyhow from their teams). It does highlight some fantastic players that we've had.

--Pie4Life - Had the highest number of goals at 2601, despite not having Coventry or McKenna. But he did have Dick Lee, A. Rocca and W.Richardson. Igniter was next at 2325 aided by McKenna followed by Jelly Bean at 2226 which Nuts contributed 1299 of them. Jelly Bean's team had the highest number of leading goalkickers in a season 18, of which Nuts won an astonishing 16 times, followed by Pie4Life at 16 (Dick Lee 11).
--Trickster (myself) - Had the highest number of games at 3194, with only 1 player not having played more than 100 (Horrie Edmond). I certainly valued longevity in my selection. This was followed by Pies4Life whose players totalled 3071 games. At the other end, CitySlicks players played a total of 2143 games while Jelly Beans played 2205.
--My players also played in 35 flags, another consideration which probably tilted my thinking ahead of South of the Yarra whose players played in 32 in total.
--City Slick had the highest number of B&F winners (his players won 13 BnFs in total), followed by Magpies42 (11), and then Pie 4 Life, Raymond 35 and myself with 10. Interestingly, CitySlick had 8 of his 18 players win a B&F at some point.

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And in terms of players not selected...

I think there was only 1 B&F winner not chosen (Robert Hyde) and below is a list of players who weren't selected that played over 100 games.

I was close to selecting Jamie Turner, maybe Mark Richardson or Ron McKeown at CHB if Ron Kingston wasn't available and maybe even Kerro in the back pocket if all my other options had gone.

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In terms of leading goalkickers not selected, a few more mostly from the start of the 20th century but from the 1950s onwards some notables were Maurie Dunstan (40 and 43 goals in 51 and 52), Ken Smale (47 and 33 in 55 and 56) and who was labelled as the best forward hope since Ron Todd when he arrived (no pressure there) and Jack Anthony (50 goals in 2009).

Sure there are other players in general who some may have wanted to pull the trigger on but didn't not on this list also.
 
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Lardieslads raymond35

Raymond 35

Backs: Stan Magro, Michael Christian, Peter McCormack
Half Back: Gavin Crosisca, Billy Picken, Kevin Rose
Centre: Phil Walsh, Mark Williams, Ricky Barham
Half Forward: G Anderson, Leigh Brown, Craig Starcevich
Forward: James Manson, Graeme Fellowes, Tony Francis
Followers: Len Thompson, G Shepherd, Lou Richards
 
We left some quality on the table, a couple that stand out are George Hams and Charlie Tyson.

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The role of ‘specialist back pocket player’ is something that has gone the way of high-cut boots and ankle bandages in today’s football. But for a long time it was considered an important, if decidedly un-sexy, position.In the early 1950s, Collingwood had one of the best going around, in George...
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Charlie TYSON

It's often forgotten that Collingwood's famed Machine team era started with one of the most controversial moments in the club's history – the decision to axe an existing captain.That moment came just days before the start of the 1927 season, when the Pies sensationally dumped Charlie Tyson as...
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Lardieslads Jelly Bean

Jelly Bean

Backs: Bob Nash, Gary Pert; Mick Gayfer;
Half Back: Jack Monohan; Len Fitzgerald; Dan Minogue (C)
Centre: Dick Condon; Fred Leach; John Greening
Half Forward: Nick Davis; David Cloke; Charlie Pannam Sr
Forward: Andy Krakouer; Gordon Coventry; Frank Hailwood
Followers: Damien Monkhorst; Brianna Davey; Des Tuddenham (VC)
 

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Lardieslads South of the Yarra

South Of The Yarra

Backs: Harold Rumney, Jack Hamilton, Al Dummett
Half Back: Denis Banks, Albert Collier, Shane Morwood
Centre: Graeme Wright, Des Fothergill, Bruce Abernathy
Half Forward: Bill Twomey Sr, Frank Murphy, T Lockwood
Forward: H Curtis, Brian Taylor, Mick Twomey
Followers: Darren Jolly, Ronnie Wearmouth, Billy Libbis
 
Lardieslads Tarkyn_24

Tarkyn 24

Backs: Brayden Maynard, Nathan Brown, Harry Lumumba
Half Back: Heath Shaw, Shane Wakelin, Peter Lucas
Centre: Ken Turner, B Gray, Darren Millane
Half Forward: Dale Thomas, Dermott Brereton, Alby Pannam
Forward: Peter Daicos, Chris Tarrant, D Norman
Followers: Brodie Grundy, Luke Ball, Ads Treloar
 
Lardieslads Trickster

Trickster

Backs: R Reeves, Charlie Dibbs, Percy Bower
Half Back: Len Murphy, R Kingston, Jock McHale
Centre: R Dean, J Beveridge, Percy Gibb
Half Forward: B Makeham, Phonse Kyne, Alan Didak
Forward: Josh Fraser, Craig Davis, H Edmonds
Followers: Les Hughes, Nathan Buckley, P Wilson
 
Lardieslads magpies42

Magpies 42

Backs: Lardie Tulloch, Bill Proudfoot, Charlie Utting
Half Back: Fred Froude, Ben Reid, J Ross
Centre: Ron Richards, Marcus Whelan, Steele Sidebottom
Half Forward: J Harris, Murray Weidemann, Vince Doherty
Forward: Brody Mihocek, Ross Dunne, Jamie Elliott
Followers: Peter Moore, Barry Price, Ray Shaw
 
Lardieslads half_back_flank

Half_back_flank

Backs: Leon Davis, J Finch, Bill Strickland
Half Back: E Wilson, George Clayden, Ben Johnson
Centre: Jack Crisp, Bob Rose, Michael Taylor
Half Forward: Harry Chesswass, Travis Cloke, M Bone
Forward: Ted Rowell, Ron Todd, C McCarthy
Followers: Neil Mann, Bill Serong, George Angus
 
Lardieslads iGNITER


iGNITER

Backs: Phil Manassa, Simon Prestigiacomo, Alan Toovey
Half Back: Scott Burns, Craig Kelly, Jeremy Howe
Centre: A Aitkinson, Gavin Brown, L Westcott
Half Forward: Paul Williams, Rene Kink, Daniel Wells
Forward: Phil Carman, Peter McKenna, Travis Varcoe
Followers: Graeme Jenkin, Paul Licuria, Tony Shaw
 

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Lardieslads Pie 4 Life

Pie 4 Life

Backs: Tom Langdon, H Saunders, Jack Murphy
Half Back: Max Richardson, P Rowan, Syd Coventry
Centre: Des Healy, Wayne Richardson, Mick McGuane
Half Forward: Tarkyn Lockyer, Anthony Rocca, Brodie Holland
Forward: P Rowe, Dick Lee, Terry Waters
Followers: A Leach, Taylor Adams, Shane OBree
 
Lardieslads cityslick1


Cityslick1

Backs: Isaac Quaynor, Jack Regan, Mal Michael
Half Back: R Byrne, Darcy Moore, Bob Rush
Centre: Geoff Raines, Scott Pendlebury, E Drohan
Half Forward: Mike Richardson, Bill Twomey Jr, Ian Graham
Forward: Terry Steer, Jordan De Goey, A Smith
Followers: Wes Fellowes, Dayne Beams, Thorold Merrett
 
Lardieslads gouki88

Gouki88

Backs: J Henderson, James Clement, G Hocking
Half Back: Nick Maxwell, Ted Potter, F Tuck
Centre: Charlie Pannam Sr, Scott Russell, T Drummond
Half Forward: Doug Barkwick, Saverio Rocca, M Seddon
Forward: Paul Medhurst, Ian Brewer, J Pimm
Followers: Ray Gabelich, Harry Collier, Dane Swan
 
If Michael ends up ranking each of them in order, could also do a vote with the Collingwood board (or even just us). This is probably too extra but trying to work out which is the best of 11 teams looking at all is near impossible so my thought is perhaps doing the following:

Top 7 automatically make it in

Teams 8, 9, 10 and 11 go into a vote for the 8th spot

Qualifying Finals
A: 1 v (winner of bottom four)
B: 4 v 5
C: 3 v 6
D: 2 v 7

Semi-Finals
E: Winner of A vs Winner of B
F: Winner of C vs Winner of D

Grand Final
Winner of E vs Winner of F

It's probably too much, but I just figure could generate some discussion... Imagine for the knockout ones if we could take the role of "coach" and actually comment on how you would coach against the opposition and why you would win? I dunno it could stretch out this whole nostalgia thing and bring up some great discussions.
 
Jelly Bean said:
Lardieslads magpies42

Magpies 42

Backs: Lardie Tulloch, Bill Proudfoot, Charlie Utting
Half Back: Fred Froude, Ben Reid, J Ross
Centre: Ron Richards, Marcus Whelan, Steele Sidebottom
Half Forward: J Harris, Murray Weidemann, Vince Doherty
Forward: Brody Mihocek, Ross Dunne, Jamie Elliott
Followers: Peter Moore, Barry Price, Ray Shaw
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Excellent thanks!
 
Pie 4 Life said:
If Michael ends up ranking each of them in order, could also do a vote with the Collingwood board (or even just us). This is probably too extra but trying to work out which is the best of 11 teams looking at all is near impossible so my thought is perhaps doing the following:

Top 7 automatically make it in

Teams 8, 9, 10 and 11 go into a vote for the 8th spot

Qualifying Finals
A: 1 v (winner of bottom four)
B: 4 v 5
C: 3 v 6
D: 2 v 7

Semi-Finals
E: Winner of A vs Winner of B
F: Winner of C vs Winner of D

Grand Final
Winner of E vs Winner of F

It's probably too much, but I just figure could generate some discussion... Imagine for the knockout ones if we could take the role of "coach" and actually comment on how you would coach against the opposition and why you would win? I dunno it could stretch out this whole nostalgia thing and bring up some great discussions.
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Why not!
 

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