Opinion Commentary and media

[Kimbo]

Nah, Arjen, you missed the bit where I said I'm happy for us to fly under the radar. It truly doesn't it upset me that they don't talk us up at every opportunity. I don't rate footy journalists at all, so their inability to perform true football analysis is a given in my book.

It seems the 'mature' response is to not care about the coverage we get. So, as an immature, mature poster, I'll buck the trend and say it annoys the crap out of me. It's often said that on-field results support off field results like more fans and members. A truism really. So the free publicity and hype that we should be getting, we aren't. Dislike.

From the perspective of 'drinking own bathwater', of course, I'm happy we're going under the radar although I think the team is mature enough now not to be bothered either way.

IMO, we keep beating Richmond because they are our bitches and we are deep inside their heads. Also because they have a small handful of top class players and their bottom 5 or 6 have been putrid for years (different players, same lack of talent). We put time into limiting the effect of the top few (Cotch, Dusty, Deledio, Jack) and the job is done. It's not as if we are the only ones to do it, of course.

Agree with the main issue being that we're 'inside their heads' and also the tactic of limiting their most effective players. I also happen to think they're not an especially mentally or emotionally robust team (supporters take after their teams?) and the fish rots from the head.

To link both posts and my comments, I also think one reason we do go under the radar is the media predisposition to looking at numbers and individuals. Star players, if you will, by dint of possession numbers etc. Notice how quick they are to pick up on good games from Wellsy and Goldy to highlight the impact of an individual on a team.

Being a more even team, I think they struggle to know how to talk us up. System, game plan and even culture is more challenging for them to report on unless you can give it a cute nickname (Clarko's Cluster, Weagles Web etc.) Given the collective noun for kangaroos is 'mob', and we're unbeatable when we're all switched on, I'll put 'mob mentality' out there.

 

[Kimbo]

I completely agree. I'm just saying that's why I think he was suspended and Blicavs and others weren't. The MRP seems to take into account the result of the action moreso than the action itself.

The difference in impact from seemingly very, very similar actions therefore seems almost a matter of luck, or bad luck, if you will. They are adjudicating based on luck, not actions that, other things being equal, increase the probability of this bad luck occuring.

 

[Twinkletoes]

Sympathy for Pickers

 

[The Pleb]

The difference in impact from seemingly very, very similar actions therefore seems almost a matter of luck, or bad luck, if you will. They are adjudicating based on luck, not actions that, other things being equal, increase the probability of this bad luck occuring.

There's also the fact that Hunter wasn't actually concussed...

 

[LB2Snake]

That is unfathomable......what a disgusting attack on LT in the end it's turned out to be.

 

[JD-Roo]

There's also the fact that Hunter wasn't actually concussed...

But.... but... but.... the theatre was on stand-by, the surgeons ready to go to fix the brain bleed......... until the Emergency nurse told them to **** off and stop wasting her time!

 

[King Corey]

Anyone have an idea of what AFL commentators and TV pundits get paid?

Am throwing around the premise that the former players who end up in the media are generally those unwanted in club land. Obviously there's the odd one like Ling who is employed in both.

Am also interested in what sort of coin someone like Zempilas makes considering he's none of - former star player - armchair expert - entertaining in any way.

 

[CarnTheKANGAS]

It seems the 'mature' response is to not care about the coverage we get. So, as an immature, mature poster, I'll buck the trend and say it annoys the crap out of me. It's often said that on-field results support off field results like more fans and members. A truism really. So the free publicity and hype that we should be getting, we aren't. Dislike.

From the perspective of 'drinking own bathwater', of course, I'm happy we're going under the radar although I think the team is mature enough now not to be bothered either way.

150% THIS.

I don't know what the NMFC has done.. it seems we continually get a raw deal from (at top of my head)
a) the AFL regarding fixture, home kit
b) umpires
c) MRP
d) media

almost feels like a vendetta

and before i get shot down with preferring to not to be attracting attention and better to be flying under the radar - I am not suggesting attracting the same type of bs attention that the likes of collingwood and richmond attract - but shit - give us something we are on top of the flipping ladder - again I repeat - almost feels like a vendetta

 

[sbdan]

At least with jumper punches there is the pretence that the force is limited because of the limited room to throw them. I can only imagine that's the reasoning the AFL uses at any rate. Hate seeing that shit just as much, most blokes realise they can punch as hard as they want as long as they have some cloth in their hand.

The force from Hawkins punch was pretty minimal, but it still came out of nowhere, hit the jaw, and had 120kgs of man mountain behind it. You can't do that shit.

If it was allowed we could get the boys practicing up on the one inch punch. Someone like Spud could do some real damage with that maneuver.

 

[Uber poster]

It seems the 'mature' response is to not care about the coverage we get. So, as an immature, mature poster, I'll buck the trend and say it annoys the crap out of me. It's often said that on-field results support off field results like more fans and members. A truism really. So the free publicity and hype that we should be getting, we aren't. Dislike.

From the perspective of 'drinking own bathwater', of course, I'm happy we're going under the radar although I think the team is mature enough now not to be bothered either way.


Agree with the main issue being that we're 'inside their heads' and also the tactic of limiting their most effective players. I also happen to think they're not an especially mentally or emotionally robust team (supporters take after their teams?) and the fish rots from the head.

To link both posts and my comments, I also think one reason we do go under the radar is the media predisposition to looking at numbers and individuals. Star players, if you will, by dint of possession numbers etc. Notice how quick they are to pick up on good games from Wellsy and Goldy to highlight the impact of an individual on a team.

Being a more even team, I think they struggle to know how to talk us up. System, game plan and even culture is more challenging for them to report on unless you can give it a cute nickname (Clarko's Cluster, Weagles Web etc.) Given the collective noun for kangaroos is 'mob', and we're unbeatable when we're all switched on, I'll put 'mob mentality' out there.

Shut up and buy a subscription!

 

[Kimbo]

Shut up and buy a subscription!

Very insightful post, for such a newbie.

 

[motlopfan]

Sympathy for Pickers

Bit of a worry for Clubs who have players coming out of contract, managed by Pickering though.
Needs to make money fast.

 

[motlopfan]

David King’s analysis is mainly rubbish. He comes up with a theory and then find some random footage to support it. Hilarious segment where he was comparing, unfavorably, Cotchin’s use of the ball with Harvey.
Harvey found a man in the forward 50 and Cotchin sprayed the kick. King completely ignored the 195 cm big black Adonis chasing Cotchin, eating up the ground, which would have been shaking, as he was about to kick. Daw had already put on two monster tackles and Richmond were very aware of his presence.

 

[Samsquanch]

Their explanation of the Rance incident was laughable. He couldn't forsee that Waite's head was going to make contact with the ball so the action was ok. Hey dipshits.......... if his head didn't hit the ball it would have hit the ground and knocked him out. So it's all ok to complete a sling tackle as longas you can get a blokes head to land on the ball....WTF?!?!?!?

So if he was saved from any sanction, it was because Waite's head hit the ball, not the ground. And then they said this was beyond Rances control.

As you so correctly point out, that is a complete contradicton.

So, the MRP are being entirely consistent by being completely inconsistent.

 

[ArjenTheGreat]

I don't rate footy journalists at all, so their inability to perform true football analysis is a given in my book. On that basis, I think you give Kingy too much credit when you say deep down he believes we're the ones.

What I really don't like is that you can bet he will be busting his guts to be a part of any success we have, pretending he was with us all along.

Maybe I do give him too much credit.

But he was hard, fast and skillful, he was one of my fave's and I'll always love him.

I honestly don't take anything he says seriously, what I look out for is Eddie and Co always referring to his North (ness) in the pre game on Fridays. He obviously backs us behind closed doors but tries to not give anything away or provide any motivation to the opposition Pagan styles. That mentality is smashed into our players and if you think about all the ex North people in the media/coaching, they are all tarred with that brush.

Low key, give nothing away, pump up the opposition.

 

[Le Grille]

Sympathy for Pickers

Here's a quandry, I like the sentiment but hate the queen. Cant like the post

 

[Samsquanch]

There's also the fact that Hunter wasn't actually concussed..

When they crossed to the F***scray room after that game, the look on mark Stephens face was like hunter had just passed away. He spoke in hushed tones and gave the impression that there was a very very serious injury.

Strange coz hunter played about the same after the tackle as he did before. Are you hinting that a journalist was trying to manufacture a story?

 

[B4Bear]

Read it then - good to get out of it but ordinary by the coaches association. wtf do they need a dodgy sponsor anyway?

They are more, like a bunch of 'power people'.

Self entitled flogs is a more apt term. I have seen them a few times when I worked in Melbourne a few years ago.

 

[Kimbo]

So if he was saved from any sanction, it was because Waite's head hit the ball, not the ground. And then they said this was beyond Rances control.

As you so correctly point out, that is a complete contradicton.

So, the MRP are being entirely consistent by being completely inconsistent.

Expect the inconsistent!

 

[Royal Flush]

Geez bob Murphy is so boring on AFL 360. Nice guy but boring as bat shit. Drew Petrie on next!

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[longlivenmfc]

Still reckon Kingy's a North man who's keeping it on the lowdown as a favour to JB? If so, he's doing it at a serious cost to his already poor reputation as an analyst.

Talks up Dogs as the 'toughest', no mention of the game in which we beat them.

Talks up teams who have done better than Richmond at drafting and recruiting, no mention of us.

Talks of the great ruckmen in the comp and mentions only NicNat and Gawn.

I just reckon he's a reactive, flaky sycophant to the AFL's agenda (as an aside, an agenda strongly furthered this week by the MRP, as usual). Kingy hasn't got the nuts to keep quiet about North on purpose, he's too scared of being seen as a fraud (or twice a semi-fraud, if you like). He just runs with the pack that don't want to acknowledge North.

Again, I'm happy to fly under the radar, but absolutely not happy to label this tool a good North man.

He'll be hanging round us like a bad smell come late September / early October, though. I hope he's told to f*** off.

I've been thinking that his issue relates to professional embarrassment that at the start of the year he thought we'd miss the 8 and he had the Tigers finishing top 4. I think talking about North positively is a constant reminder of how horribly wrong he got it. I also wonder whether this apparent desire of a lot of commentators to have us fail is in part linked to a desire for their pre-season predictions to not look so silly. They are experts after all.

Not sure if the below link will work, but I enjoyed reviewing these predictions last night.

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-24/crystal-ball-predictions-for-2016

 

[naturally north]

I've been thinking that his issue relates to professional embarrassment that at the start of the year he thought we'd miss the 8 and he had the Tigers finishing top 4. I think talking about North positively is a constant reminder of how horribly wrong he got it. I also wonder whether this apparent desire of a lot of commentators to have us fail is in part linked to a desire for their pre-season predictions to not look so silly. They are experts after all.

Not sure if the below link will work, but I enjoyed reviewing these predictions last night.

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-24/crystal-ball-predictions-for-2016

Matt Thompson goes ok in tbe predictions, can't fathom how so many thought we'd miss the eight. Mind boggling tbh.

 

[DrZaius]

I've been thinking that his issue relates to professional embarrassment that at the start of the year he thought we'd miss the 8 and he had the Tigers finishing top 4. I think talking about North positively is a constant reminder of how horribly wrong he got it. I also wonder whether this apparent desire of a lot of commentators to have us fail is in part linked to a desire for their pre-season predictions to not look so silly. They are experts after all.

Not sure if the below link will work, but I enjoyed reviewing these predictions last night.

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-24/crystal-ball-predictions-for-2016

Matt Thompson knows what's up

 

[dus]

Matt Thompson knows what's up

Hi Matt.

 

[NarniMagic]

Drew was on 360. Opening line from Robbo (paraphrasing) - "So Drew, pretty well rounded performance on the weekend, from everyone except you, is that a fair statement?"