Great post
On the other hand, we have ......... Jars
Is it true Blightly spat the dummy (and walked out on his contract early) after watching DJ not chase one time too many??? Maybe NC doesn't want to be in the same boat with Tex.
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Great post
On the other hand, we have ......... Jars
Is it true Blightly spat the dummy (and walked out on his contract early) after watching DJ not chase one time too many??? Maybe NC doesn't want to be in the same boat with Tex.
Thought this might be of interest, stats over the last 6 weeks... Better than most AFL comparisons!!!
In reference to the bolded parts, yes it does take more than one forward to win a premiership, but having at least one forward would help. We have none.
Youve thrown a fair bit of mud at Walker with the rest of the your thread. Firstly you state your not able to say whether Walker has the deficiencies in his game as Modra did. You then infer Walker doesnt chase and has a poor attitude. He has none of the attributes of Fevola. How can you draw such an assumption when you first admit your not able to say? If anything hes kept his nose clean, kicks goals and seems to have his head screwed on. Some of you guys are giving him no credit, not as a footballer, but as person. Some of the comments stating a couple of ordinary performances could crush his confidence if just crap. He seems to have his head screwed on, hes not likely to go in his shell and never fulfil his potential.
Interesting to note how Geelong stack up with this statement. The team being touted as one of the greatest ever. Who is their key forward at the minute ? Tim Lonergan !!!! Tim who ???? Hardly a star, but a handy youngster playing in a great team with a great structure, getting great delivery and because of that playing with lifted confidence.
Go back to last year's minor round and find out how many Cats players kicked more than 4 goals in a match. You will find its not many. Even when they kicked 35 goals against Richmond - not one player with more than 4 goals!!
Sure Mooney is a good forward, but does not have anywhere near the individual talent of a Brown or Pavlich.
One of Geelong's strengths is their eveness in attack. If you nail down a forward then another pops up, be it Mooney, Chapman, Johnson, Varcoe, Stokes or whoever. You are not stuffed if your "Fevola" or <insert star forward here> gets shut down or is injured.
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That's Tom who. Then again you could say Hawthorn are pretty handy too, and that Buddy guy goes ok. And the bloke with the Roughead.
The opinions against Walker playing stating it takes more than one goal scoring forward to win a premiership, Geelong have an even spread of goal kickers etc etc etc are interesting given that from virtually game 1 we seem to have expected Tippett to be pretty much our sole big mrking goal kicking forward slash saviour. It's even worse now that Burton and porps are out. Surely that argument is an argument to play Walker rather than make a guy who has played less than 50 games of footy full stop be our sole forward getting double teamed by the opposition best defenders week in week out and is understandably looking completely knackered.
Not sure what the point of your post is. I said we need more than 1 forward, but the fact is we dont have any forwards at all. We have midfielders, backmen and ruckman being trained to play as forwards, not one natural forward in our current structure. The Geelong players you mentioned are a class above any of our current forwards. Hence you support my point, we need forwards.
This brings up a really good point. With Burton and Porps out is Walker's non selection adversely affecting Tippett? Some of us on here have been talking (likewise NC too) about how bringing Walker in could be a bad thing for his development at the moment, but how about looking at the perspective of the guy that's in our team at the moment?
You imagine that Tippett would certainly benefit from having another legitimate forward option to play alongside. Even if it is another inexperienced player at least it will take some of the attention away from Tippett, because right now he is being thrown to the wolves (interesting that we choose to do this with some players). I'm still in the don't play Taylor camp, but not with much conviction. It looks like Gill will come in to help out immediately and then it's a race between Hentschel and Walker I suppose.
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Tippett would certainly benefit from having another tall marking option alongside him, particularly a stay at home KP forward. Indeed it doesn't make Walker the option, but Gill is too random and wouldn't help Tippett's cause IMO. He's more of a lead-up option anyway. Is Hentschel up to it yet? IMO we're putting far too much on the shoulders of first year player Kurt and it would also be alot to ask of Hentschel at this stage. The same goes (but of much greater magnitude) for Taylor Walker.
If you're judging solely on who is going to best assist Tippett then its McGregor hands down. He's an experienced stay at home KP forward with good hands, the way he helps his team-mates out in a marking contest is second to none and he brings the ball to ground to the advantage of our players meaning we can keep the ball inside our F50 better.
Whatever the rights and wrongs of picking Walker this week, it does no credit to the club whatsoever to have a big banner headline on the front page of the website announcing "Walker not the answer".
Could you imagine the ACB website with a line saying "Tait not ready to be picked" or "Marsh not ready for a test spot"? Could you imagine any professional sporting organisation with a headline that negative about one of their contracted players? Could you even envisage yourself going on to your company's website to read an article saying something like that about you?
In a world in which the sacking of a CEO by a rival club is headlined "Statement from President, Jim Stynes" and not "McNamee not the answer", when every average SANFL performance by a listed player is described as "solid" or "competitive" or "battled hard" or some such, to have a player so publicly described as "not the answer" seems a really poor way to be handling one of our young charges. I'm very disappointed in that.
Could you imagine the ACB website with a line saying "Tait not ready to be picked" or "Marsh not ready for a test spot"? Could you imagine any professional sporting organisation with a headline that negative about one of their contracted players? Could you even envisage yourself going on to your company's website to read an article saying something like that about you?
In a world in which the sacking of a CEO by a rival club is headlined "Statement from President, Jim Stynes" and not "McNamee not the answer", when every average SANFL performance by a listed player is described as "solid" or "competitive" or "battled hard" or some such, to have a player so publicly described as "not the answer" seems a really poor way to be handling one of our young charges. I'm very disappointed in that.
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On the contrary, i think most professional sporting organizations would try to kill an unrealistic hype before they debuted a player, in order to not put too much pressure on them.
Ill give you an example, the Philadelphia Eagles have long needed a WR to take it to the next level. This year they drafted DeSean Jackson, a young explosive guy who could be the difference for them. Instead of hyping that angle, they've gone out of their way to talk down his chances of being an impact player.
It would just be unprofessional for a club to allow a rookie player to carry the burden of supporters desperation.
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The crows should be blooding the younger players. How else are they going to develop them if they can't play in the senior side?
Porps is a star!!
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I like the Richmond approach with Cotchin, late withdrawl and throw him in (i Beleive) that could def work for us....
otherwise it'll be round 1 next year, as the buzz around footy being back will overthow the spotlight on him, plus he would've assumingly played in the pre season...
otherwise it'll be round 1 next year, as the buzz around footy being back will overthow the spotlight on him, plus he would've assumingly played in the pre season...
Fine, in an interview, make that point repeatedly. There's a world of difference between doing that and having that splashed on the organisational website as the banner heading.
Not on their website, they don't. Can you find a headline about him saying he isn't the answer, or something equivalent?
There are a myriad of ways to damp down expectations without the sort of headline the Crows are carrying on their site.
Walker's not unique. There have been crazy expectations about Angwin, as our highest ever pick. About Dangerfield now. About 10 year player Fergus Watts, especially after he kicked 10 in the SANFL one week.
Agree re the headline. But watch the NC interview (also on the website) and you get a different picture.
is that the presser one ?
Southerntakeover
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No, not really. Apart from driving a few hysterical, it was an effective way of making the point. Funny, because if hed done it in an interview, itd likely end up in the papers/tv news, and get a much wider coverage than the website.
No, actually, you're entirely wrong.
I get all of my coverage from their website during the offseason. Its been said over and over again, in articles, blogs and their live video stream draft coverage. If you dont want to believe me, dont. Im not searching for links for the likes of you.
Yeah yeah, i get it, its a website headline. Whoopdedoo.
Meanwhile, you know what the difference between he and the other three is? Id suggest they're actually seriously considering playing him now, so they have a reason for trying to kill the expectations on him.
Yes the Moran presentation - Craig post match one
I have not thrown mud at Walker at all! What I queried was the possibility of his attitude not being what it may be. And that may be the reason for not being introduced to an AFL game.
On the other hand, you seem to be happy to accuse NC of being: a) Too stupid to realize that Walker is not only ready to play AFL but it is absolutely necessary to have him in the team NOW:.b) Too stubborn to admit that he is wrong in not selecting him: c) He is causing Walker untold harm by stating that Walker is not the answer to our forward woes: d) Having a personal vendetta against Walker and cutting his own nose off to spite his face.
I may have gone a bit overboard with the above statements, but could you tell me what would be the reasons why NC has not selected Walker yet?
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I dont know the reasons why Craig is not playing him. I think he may believe he isnt ready for the demands of AFL footy. Maybe the fact that Walker goes missing in some games. Maybe hes ahead of schedule and Craig cant get past that. In relation to the readiness, were Jacky and Sellar ready? As in terms of going missing, Norwood is a side that goes missing often, so how much is it the player and how much is it the team?
In terms of causing harm, I never said that. But he is doing some harm. When you go on record as stating theres not much more Walker could do to get a game, then the kid keeps kicking goals, if you were Walker wouldnt you be miffed? Especially when he sees guys like Jericho get a game.
As for your original post, you queried whether he had a poor attitude and Fevola tendancies. You may have not meant it but when you throw that in as a possible reason then yes you are casting aspertions about Walker.
Coopers
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That's actually what annoys me the most. Sellar and Jacky were not really ready, yet they got a shot - a chance to get some experience - and that's really all I want from walker. I don't expect him to kick 5 goals on debut, but I do expect him to get some experience... which he's going to have to start doing at some point.
I'm figuring, that Otten and Walker were both in the same car that ran over NC's dog.
Ok that's fine, but in reality would that experience benefit him/the team or the supporters who want him in at all costs. I suggest that they want to see him play for their own selfish reasons of seeing him play in the tri-colours and not for his benefit.
I don't understand the logic why all that say he must be picked.
He is still learning his craft in the local league and doing pretty well by all accounts, but to say he must come in because we are going through a rough trot at present doesn't cut the mustard with me.
Coopers
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Well, I actually think he's likely to perform at least as well as say, stevens or Jericho, so he should get a game.
Afc.com.au has said on this thread that the club did not write the article or the headline. Katrina Gill wrote it and the AFL’s publisher provided the title. I assume these things get onto the club website without the club having to vet them, which in itself is surprising.
Clearly NC is trying to dampen the hype and protect his player and Katrina Gill was trying to write a story of interest. Katrina Gill didn’t need the club's permission to write the story, therefore it’s difficult to argue that the club was using the AFC site as a medium for dampening public craziness over Tex.
The web story (not interviews because they have context) was crap, however I’ve got no doubt that NC has Tex’s development long term at heart and that quite frankly is what we should be glad of.
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