List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[stallon]

West Australian reporting, Culley, Livingston and Rawlinson set to stay in 25

Im not a fan

 

[stallon]

That’s clearly the point I agree. Just think we can be a bit smarter with how we structure the deal by using our obscene cap space to our advantage whilst giving us a rip cord with a modest saving in future years if needed. Better than delisting him 2 years into a 4 year guaranteed deal and then still have to pay out the last 2 years at a time when we’re going to be looking to recontract RH7, EH8, HR9, FOS3 etc. Our cap space is unprecedented.

With Yeo and Kelly probably moving out of the midfield at some stage in the next 2 years, he probably has a place in or close to the side for the full 4 years anyway.
He would need to really fall away to be of no use to us.
Even if we just front ended it so it was 2@900 and 2@300, hes only costing a list spot

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Im not a fan

Livingstone definitely needs to stay on the rookie list, I don't mind Rawlinson getting another year too.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

both should be delisted

If we get both Baker and Graham, there would certainly be no room for either.

 

[twce13]

Getting pretty fed up with will Schofield

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shit canning the club. I hope the club no longer has him involved in media moving fwd.

 

[stallon]

Livingstone definitely needs to stay on the rookie list, I don't mind Rawlinson getting another year too.

Yes Livingstone im happy with, the others I meant should be moved on

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Can see Witherden being retained simply because we have no depth in that position.

Depth of what exactly. !

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[KERRPOW]

Never had an employer go back on their word?

It bloody stings and gets messy quick when it effects your family

Eagles doing the right thing but sometimes there carnage

Agree. Handshake agreements to me are as good as written ones.

I went through something similar at a previous workplace. It does leave you very sour.

 

[Godfather32]

Agree. Handshake agreements to me are as good as written ones.

I went through something similar at a previous workplace. It does leave you very sour.

But why make a handshake agreement in the first place? if it was done at the time of the original contract just give him the extra dollars/years at the time. If it was agreed to later on why didn't we just renegotiate the contract at the time? Makes no sense to make an off the books handshake agreement.

 

[KERRPOW]

But why make a handshake agreement in the first place? if it was done at the time of the original contract just give him the extra dollars/years at the time. If it was agreed to later on why didn't we just renegotiate the contract at the time? Makes no sense to make an off the books handshake agreement.

Maybe thats how wce operated, but the paperwork always came through?

 

[KERRPOW]

Heard we are looking to pick up graham cornes as a DFA

 

[KERRPOW]

With Yeo and Kelly probably moving out of the midfield at some stage in the next 2 years, he probably has a place in or close to the side for the full 4 years anyway.
He would need to really fall away to be of no use to us.
Even if we just front ended it so it was 2@900 and 2@300, hes only costing a list spot

Would be ok moving Kelly to the HFF with stints as a non inside mid as soon as next year.

 

[Godfather32]

Maybe thats how wce operated, but the paperwork always came through?

Yeah nah

 

[stallon]

Would be ok moving Kelly to the HFF with stints as a non inside mid as soon as next year.

Yeah surely hes the first one moved out, at least reduce his time in there

 

[eaglevision]

With Yeo and Kelly probably moving out of the midfield at some stage in the next 2 years, he probably has a place in or close to the side for the full 4 years anyway.
He would need to really fall away to be of no use to us.
Even if we just front ended it so it was 2@900 and 2@300, hes only costing a list spot

Possibly but far from a sure thing with injury and form. In 2027 FOS and Lindsay will be 21, Harley and Hall will be 22, Ginbey and Hewett 23. We’ll still be getting chop outs from Duggan, Yeo possibly Kelly and hopefully not Petch.

No with club option we’d save 300k a year for 2 years if we cut him, right when we are recontracting/overpaying FAs.

Butters is 23, Rozzee 24, JHF has only just turned 21 and are holding their own with chop outs from bigger bodies like Wines.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Can see Witherden being retained simply because we have no depth in that position.

I expected to see Witherden being charged with responsibility for the kick ins as he has supposed high end passing ability. Alas, he was not given that role.

What position do you see he provided depth in?

 

[squashface]

I expected to see Witherden being charged with responsibility for the kick ins as he has supposed high end passing ability. Alas, he was not given that role.

What position do you see he provided depth in?

He's playing as a small defender/HBF. I've wanted him dropped all year but every time I do changes I can't think of someone to play that role.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

That’s clearly the point I agree. Just think we can be a bit smarter with how we structure the deal by using our obscene cap space to our advantage whilst giving us a rip cord with a modest saving in future years if needed. Better than delisting him 2 years into a 4 year guaranteed deal and then still have to pay out the last 2 years at a time when we’re going to be looking to recontract RH7, EH8, HR9, FOS3 etc. Our cap space is unprecedented.

Relax on the 4 year x massive money

He is obviously a very special friend of Baker and hence the dual offer so their bromamce flourishes.

The free agency window closes before the trade window opens (I think) so if we get Graham and its band 3, we then worry what we will be giving up for the Baker.

Alternatively they live together and play for opposing teams in the same city

 

[stallon]

Possibly but far from a sure thing with injury and form. In 2027 FOS and Lindsay will be 21, Harley and Hall will be 22, Ginbey and Hewett 23. We’ll still be getting chop outs from Duggan, Yeo possibly Kelly and hopefully not Petch.

Id imagine Duggan wont have to chop out. With Yeo and Kelly moved out more permanently as they age onto flanks, theres still a spot for an older player in the middle imo. Graham wont even be 30 at the time.
Id imagine he would be a whipping boy especially with fans in 2027/2028 but probably still can justify his spot due to how young the list would be in the midfield.

No with club option we’d save 300k a year for 2 years if we cut him, right when we are recontracting/overpaying FAs.

Butters is 23, Rozzee 24, JHF has only just turned 21 and are holding their own with chop outs from bigger bodies like Wines.

Wines and Drew spend just as much time in the middle as any of the others, well Butters is a little bit ahead but the other 4 are between 53-60%

 

[eaglevision]

Relax on the 4 year x massive money

He is obviously a very special friend of Baker and hence the dual offer so their bromamce flourishes.

The free agency window closes before the trade window opens (I think) so if we get Graham and its band 3, we then worry what we will be giving up for the Baker.

Alternatively they live together and play for opposing teams in the same city

Band 2 and 3 are for all intents and purposes the same pick for the Tigers so if the contract is band 4 the we then start worrying.

If Schofield is not appointed I think it’s less likely Baker comes and Ryan stays.

 

[eaglevision]

Id imagine Duggan wont have to chop out. With Yeo and Kelly moved out more permanently as they age onto flanks, theres still a spot for an older player in the middle imo.

This seems contradictory? Chop out as in Duggan will play short stints in the midfield.

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

As if i promised id be correct every time? I think thats peoples assumptions. Like when people assumed I said Rotham was going to Adelaide when in actuality it was reported on the news for example...

If you work at the club like you say, you must be a bundle or joy in the office. Just saying

 

[Carbine Chaos]

He's playing as a small defender/HBF. I've wanted him dropped all year but every time I do changes I can't think of someone to play that role.

We still don't know if J Baker can fill the role, because in spite of his consistently solid WAFL form he wasn't given a single game.

I'll be miffed if he's let go and Witherden re-signed.

 

[stallon]

This seems contradictory? Chop out as in Duggan will play short stints in the midfield.

I changed the way I worded it and didnt re-read it
I dont want Duggan in the middle, I dont think hes that good in there. I think theres a spot for him in the backline as a leader. Once we lose Gov, barrass, and even Witho theres big lack of experience in our defence

 

[eaglespremiers]

Never had an employer go back on their word?

It bloody stings and gets messy quick when it effects your family

Eagles doing the right thing but sometimes there carnage

Had that happen to me earlier this year.
My boss was going to reward me for my exceptional billings over the past two years by giving me a raise to the very low-end of what was reasonable for my experience and demonstrated output, but then retracted it for a couple of reasons, the biggest being that I had too much accumulated annual and long-service leave (because nobody could cover my role) and he wanted to pay me out my many months of leave at my previous income level before increasing my salary, and he wanted the rest of the year to do it. I had worked for him and propped up his business for 8 years. My wife told me to quit on the spot.

It was extremely messy but two months later I've got a new employer who didn't blink at paying me more than my previous boss baulked at. Suffice to say it really stung when my previous employer firstly advised me in my review that I was going to get a raise and then retracted it for his own benefit (which would've been such a small amount to him in the grand scheme of his business). But I've no doubt that he will paint me out to be a bad employee and a toxic person and it was beneficial that he got rid of me from his business. Oh well, you can't control the message.