List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 2

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Harley Reid extends to 2028

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List Changes - 2025

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• Oscar Allen advises intention to explore Free Agency
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle
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  Jack Petruccelle

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  83kg

  Pos.

  Fwd

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.2

  2star

  K

  6.2

  2star

  HB

  3.0

  3star

  M

  3.0

  3star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  G

  1.0

  4star

  D

  6.7

  1star

  K

  4.0

  1star

  HB

  2.7

  2star

  M

  1.7

  2star

  T

  1.3

  2star

  G

  0.7

  4star

  D

  7.8

  2star

  K

  4.6

  2star

  HB

  3.2

  3star

  M

  2.8

  3star

  T

  1.6

  4star

  G

  0.6

  3star

  , Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Liam Ryan has requested a trade to St Kilda but is contracted for 2026
• Campbell Chesser (uncontracted) has requested a trade to Carlton
• List would be 37 (31 main, 4 rookie, 2 Cat B)

Players out of Contract 2025 (5)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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Key Offseason Dates

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Fri Oct 3 - Fri Oct 10: 2025 Free Agency Period
Mon Oct 6 - Wed Oct 15: 2025 AFL Trade Period
Wed Nov 19 - Thu Nov 20: 2025 AFL Draft

 

[BartBart]

No idea how crows get both petracca and ahchee

Gesundheit

 

[element]

I really really really hope they offer Starcevich a heavily conditional contract on 3 years (max) with triggers. And I say 3 years because any cap relief is limited to that.

He may not have been knocked out cold, but it was a somewhat normal blow to the head that happens often enough in the AFL. What followed was significant concern for his future/wellbeing and essentially being subbed out right away.
Yes, some have said he "couldv'e" gone back on and he passed a medical the next day, but I would take that with a grain of salt given:
1. the club reaction when it happened,
2. how long he was hunched over on the ground with medicos, and
3. their actual response immediately after (not allowing him to play on in the premiership quarter of a GF that was still being very hotly contest, and he was blanketing the opposition's most dangerous player).

This is a player who, if he cops 1 more head knock, the club could not in good conscience keep playing him without sending him to the AFL concussion panel.

Add to that the self-interest of both club and player to now say he's fine in order to get him a new long contract and the compensation attached.

All of the above are massive red flags and I hope the club sees the danger signs and responds appropriately in their offer to him. The money and contract length being talked about is giving me, and many others here, significant concerns about the risks.

He's a good player. But does having a good defender move the needle a great deal when the ball goes into the D50 a hundred times a game? Now consider whether having a good defender on $900kp.a. over 6 years, who could be medically retired in year 1, and then having that on the books a good idea?
In 2 years Chad Warner

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Chad Warner

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

2star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

4star

CL

0.0

1star

comes out of contract again, as does H Reid.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

So a player who is a top earner and has been there for 7 years can enter the PSD but a player who has been there for 8 years can not?

An unrestricted player doesn’t need to go the draft. They can just sign with whoever they want.

 

[TOA.]

I really really really hope they offer Starcevich a heavily conditional contract on 3 years (max) with triggers. And I say 3 years because any cap relief is limited to that.

He may not have been knocked out cold, but it was a somewhat normal blow to the head that happens often enough in the AFL. What followed was significant concern for his future/wellbeing and essentially being subbed out right away.
Yes, some have said he "couldv'e" gone back on and he passed a medical the next day, but I would take that with a grain of salt given:
1. the club reaction when it happened,
2. how long he was hunched over on the ground with medicos, and
3. their actual response immediately after (not allowing him to play on in the premiership quarter of a GF that was still being very hotly contest, and he was blanketing the opposition's most dangerous player).

This is a player who, if he cops 1 more head knock, the club could not in good conscience keep playing him without sending him to the AFL concussion panel.

Add to that the self-interest of both club and player to now say he's fine in order to get him a new long contract and the compensation attached.

All of the above are massive red flags and I hope the club sees the danger signs and responds appropriately in their offer to him. The money and contract length being talked about is giving me, and many others here, significant concerns about the risks.

He's a good player. But does having a good defender move the needle a great deal when the ball goes into the D50 a hundred times a game? Now consider whether having a good defender on $900kp.a. over 6 years, who could be medically retired in year 1, and then having that on the books a good idea?
In 2 years Chad Warner comes out of contract again, as does H Reid.

I agree with the sentiment but the only saving grace is that if a player medically retires due to concussion clubs are generally protected from the payout being included in the salary cap: https://www.afl.com.au/news/1153880/clubs-to-get-cap-relief-for-medically-retired-players

 

[element]

I agree with the sentiment but the only saving grace is that if a player medically retires due to concussion clubs are generally protected from the payout being included in the salary cap: https://www.afl.com.au/news/1153880/clubs-to-get-cap-relief-for-medically-retired-players

Yes, but my reading of that is it only applies for 3 years. If he has a 6yr contract and is done in the first, then there are still 3 years where 900k would be in the cap?

 

[TOA.]

Yes, but my reading of that is it only applies for 3 years. If he has a 6yr contract and is done in the first, then there are still 3 years where 900k would be in the cap?

oh yeah, 6 years is way too long - agree with that. We should be offering 3-4 max.

 

[Avalor]

I agree with going for Anabel 100%. Agree with splitting either pick one or two too. Maximize the amount of talent we can bring in. Don't agree with the part about mending bridges with the media. And dislike their overt negativity towards our club.

 

[Avalor]

I agree with going for Anabel 100%. Agree with splitting either pick one or two too. Maximize the amount of talent we can bring in. Don't agree with the part about mending bridges with the media. And dislike their overt negativity towards our club.

 

[Tugga27]

All of the bed wetting over a supposed 6 year deal and AFAIK, it's been 4 Years.
We'll find out soon enough I guess.

 

[groga]

The contract will be front loaded, so the end wouldn’t be much.

 

[Avalor]

If take Starcevich over Ah Choo any day

AhChee for me, but they are both stars in their own right. I would love them both.

 

[Avalor]

I really really really hope they offer Starcevich a heavily conditional contract on 3 years (max) with triggers. And I say 3 years because any cap relief is limited to that.

He may not have been knocked out cold, but it was a somewhat normal blow to the head that happens often enough in the AFL. What followed was significant concern for his future/wellbeing and essentially being subbed out right away.
Yes, some have said he "couldv'e" gone back on and he passed a medical the next day, but I would take that with a grain of salt given:
1. the club reaction when it happened,
2. how long he was hunched over on the ground with medicos, and
3. their actual response immediately after (not allowing him to play on in the premiership quarter of a GF that was still being very hotly contest, and he was blanketing the opposition's most dangerous player).

This is a player who, if he cops 1 more head knock, the club could not in good conscience keep playing him without sending him to the AFL concussion panel.

Add to that the self-interest of both club and player to now say he's fine in order to get him a new long contract and the compensation attached.

All of the above are massive red flags and I hope the club sees the danger signs and responds appropriately in their offer to him. The money and contract length being talked about is giving me, and many others here, significant concerns about the risks.

He's a good player. But does having a good defender move the needle a great deal when the ball goes into the D50 a hundred times a game? Now consider whether having a good defender on $900kp.a. over 6 years, who could be medically retired in year 1, and then having that on the books a good idea?
In 2 years Chad Warner comes out of contract again, as does H Reid.

It's not 6 years for a start.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

4 concussions in 14 months is the biggest red flag. Just get out of the Starcevich business asap

 

[BartBart]

Yes, but my reading of that is it only applies for 3 years. If he has a 6yr contract and is done in the first, then there are still 3 years where 900k would be in the cap?

Thst's what they were saying on the radio yesterday

 

[KERRPOW]

It drives me nuts everytime I hear it.
How can you be so involved in trades and football and not realise this.

1.He’s out of contract and we have #1 pick in psd.
2. We have the first two picks in the nd and Annabelle could possibly be bid on.
3. They could still match the pick and keep him if they wanted.
4. They’d get nothing for him if he nominated a different club
4. They’ve surely got a salary squeeze coming and need to give someone up to bring all these players across.
5. With concussion issues we could back out and save face by not offering overs for him.

I don’t see any reason why we should be offering an end of first.

Especially someone thats one minor head knock away from retirement.

 

[Hasselhough]

Go back to SEN track jj

He lost me at bailey williams needs more forward opportunities

 

[WCE777]

Whether Starcevich was technically concussed or not in the GF, giving somebody who just has just recently had 3 months out of the game with concussion issues a 6 year deal is very optimistic.

And his current club was only willing to offer him 2 years despite him being a high enough calibre player to warrant a 5 year deal based on ability alone. What does that tell you?

I would definately be asking some questions of Brisbane if i was Pyke. Such as did they actually perform a concussion test, or do you have to wait 20 minutes after the incident before doing it and by then Brisbane was 5 goals up and so they decided not to bother? Brisbane and Starcevich both have a big incentive to play down the incident.

So reported by Ralph late today, so not the most reliable source.
WC have made enquiries about the 4th concussion in 14 mths and would be protected by a series of triggers if he joined the club on a long term deal.
BRI footy boss Dany Daly has said today there are no concussion symptoms today.
While reported that that a 6 year deal has been offered it would be at least some of that contract would be on game based triggers.
So sounds like the contract from WC has game based triggers to protect from medical retirement through concussion.
If all goes well he will get another 1 or 2 years if he meets games triggers.

 

[PepperTom32]

It is a weird one but if he had the test and failed there is a protocol they have to follow and I believe restrictions on what he can do. Getting on the beers and being at all the post game events wouldn’t be likely.

If he ever retired in the future from concussion he would have a decent argument to get even more of a pay out if Lions just tried to hide it and let him go about his business to get a better draft pick.

I think if he passed the test with his history and with the current score it would’ve fallen into the if in doubt sit him out category. See what testing comes up with this week and do they even have to report it if he fails being no games coming up.

I was watching the NRL final last night with a mate and apparently they have different gradings for HIA. Something along the lines of cat A, miss 10 days, cat B, sit out the game etc. I’m sure someone could explain it better who knows the finer details. Not related to Starcevic’s situation but I thought it was interesting

 

[mattyc75]

king is a 50 goal forward and you want to move him back?


we could do a traditional west coast fan suggestion: move him into midfield.

Well it kinda sounds like they will have to phase out 1 if their young forwards and like I said he's played predominantly back in his junior years

 

[Keys]

Mop

Your template/flowchart you posted is right but is dependent on a Free Agent, like Starcevich, actually being offered a contract and lodged with the AFL under Free Agency rules

Unless West Coast are as dumb as some here think they are, they won’t be lodging a FA contract. Nor will Brisbane want them to because they get zero if he leaves as a FA

The best path for BOTH clubs if/when Starcevich decides his future lies West is for a trade to be negotiated

If the clubs can’t agree on a trade, Starcevich can either decide to stay at Brisbane or as an uncontracted player decide to place himself in the PSD. The clubs are adults though and I expect a trade to be agreed on - what pick(s) that involves remains to be seen but Brisbane are in the position of anything being better than nothing

TLDR: The FA system will be completely bypassed so your flowchart doesn’t apply

 

[KERRPOW]

Petracca to Crows is a bit unexpected.

Petracca onTrac to land at the crows.

 

[PepperTom32]

As I undestand it anyone undergoing a concussion test has to sit out for 20 minutes so he was only available for the last 15 - 20 minutes, game was done, didn't need him, didn't need to take the risk he got hit again but conspiracy theories are good too.

Hmm fair enough. Can’t recall a situation like that before although it was a unique situation in that there was no games following that one so percentage wasn’t a factor (if that was their thinking). They probably wouldn’t have done it during the season I’d imagine. It does lend itself to conspiracies though, doesn’t it.

 

[braddalzielleoursaviour]

So reported by Ralph late today, so not the most reliable source.
WC have made enquiries about the 4th concussion in 14 mths and would be protected by a series of triggers if he joined the club on a long term deal.
BRI footy boss Dany Daly has said today there are no concussion symptoms today.
While reported that that a 6 year deal has been offered it would be at least some of that contract would be on game based triggers.
So sounds like the contract from WC has game based triggers to protect from medical retirement through concussion.
If all goes well he will get another 1 or 2 years if he meets games triggers.

If he triggers the extra years then it will have been a great pick up for us.

 

[ThePuma #9]

So let's say hypotheitcally we offer Starcevich a 6 year deal but there are triggers for the last few years tied to games played.

Obviously it depends on what we have to give up for him in terms of trade value but the money component & length of the contract under these conditions seems perfectly acceptable to me and well worth taking the risk.

Plenty of upside with little downside other than we fork out some extra cash outside our cap.

 

[KERRPOW]

All of the bed wetting over a supposed 6 year deal and AFAIK, it's been 4 Years.
We'll find out soon enough I guess.

REcent reports state wce have offered a 6 year deal.

Unsure if thats 900k a season tho