List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

[Keys]

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

Spoiler

• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[Elite Pete]

Cameron wants to play for WCE. Pies want a FWD/RUCK and a pick. They are happy with Oscar Steene’s development to be primary ruck next year. Likely to be a matter of what we are prepared to pay.

You know this or just speculating a possible scenario?

 

[WCErevival]

Bailey is turning into Temu Barry Hall

 

[Elite Pete]

Collingwood have no use for Hawks 1st rounder as it would just get eaten up in any McGuane bid anyway.

Something id like to see us do is go 5 year 6 mill deal for Lloyd Meek. Give them pick 19 or PSD he goes and send a missile back in their direction for a change.

Only use would be if they plan to on trade it for Rowell ect.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Only use would be if they plan to on trade it for Rowell ect.

But then Gold Coast has no use for it themselves

 

[Elite Pete]

But then Gold Coast has no use for it themselves

Haha, To trade on for a player? Liam Ryan? we pay his contract for 2026

Dimma said today again they are getting phone calls and are in the market for players now they have become a ‘destination’ club?

 

[WCE777]

I don't like comparing players but O'Sullivan is a more athletic version of Busslinger.
Same aerial ability, same intercepting game, same composure, same decision making, both dominated for 2 years prior to being drafted.
O'Sullivan just has more speed and aerobic capacity.
That I think will make Busslinger our next KPD player.

 

[bzparkes]

I don't like comparing players but O'Sullivan is a more athletic version of Busslinger.
Same aerial ability, same intercepting game, same composure, same decision making, both dominated for 2 years prior to being drafted.
O'Sullivan just has more speed and aerobic capacity.
That I think will make Busslinger our next KPD player.

Is he any better than Brock though?

Apart from a couple of cringe moments on the weekend, Brock has been great since the Carlton game.

 

[WA footy mad]

I'm amazed at all this Cameron talk, the guys past it. He is playing in a really good team at present. If he does get to WCE he will be very average. Lets stick to rucks under 22 years old at present, at least they will have some future when we are fighting for a finals spot.

 

[eagles rule]

Can't be trading Bailey out after losing Allen, TB and Gov, especially not at the exact moment he's finally being played in the position he was drafted for an is producing. Trading Bailey and pick 20 for a 31 year old ruckman and the likely premiers second rounder. Jesus, what else can we throw in maybe Harley Reid?

Downgrading pick 20 to 36 for a season or two of service from an ok ruckman I'd baulk at, throwing in a 100 game player who has just turned 25 and is arguably among the top 5 forward/rucks in the comp [seriously, how many of these blokes are there?] yeah no thanks. Bailey Williams hate at its most extreme.

Agree on keeping Baz he played his best game and if he can believe how easy it was for him to mark and kick goals , that may be all he needs to play confident in his abilities for the rest of the year ..This game may have been the one he needed as he’s always looked lost playing AFL ..

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

I feel like Baz's athleticism would put him on Mini's list of players to keep around. The fact that he's finally beginning to put it all together in the fwd line would really help his cause too. At very least, he's fantastic depth in his position. Can't get far without depth.

I'd like Cameron, but can we not see if the Pies will accept a future pick for him instead of a handy player or this year's capital? Granted we have some good NGA's coming through next year but it's no foregone conclusion that they all keep on the same upward trajectory and become draftable at once.

There's also the Saints throwing a spanner in the works, pushing for changes to the draft and the academies. Who knows what compromise the AFL come to there...(If at all).

 

[ziad]

Haha, To trade on for a player? Liam Ryan? we pay his contract for 2026

Dimma said today again they are getting phone calls and are in the market for players now they have become a ‘destination’ club?

well, me as young and single would be ok on the Gold Coast for a few years.

 

[ziad]

I feel like Baz's athleticism would put him on Mini's list of players to keep around. The fact that he's finally beginning to put it all together in the fwd line would really help his cause too. At very least, he's fantastic depth in his position. Can't get far without depth.

I'd like Cameron, but can we not see if the Pies will accept a future pick for him instead of a handy player or this year's capital? Granted we have some good NGA's coming through next year but it's no foregone conclusion that they all keep on the same upward trajectory and become draftable at once.

There's also the Saints throwing a spanner in the works, pushing for changes to the draft and the academies. Who knows what compromise the AFL come to there...(If at all).

In the end the modern game needs runners with skill and lots of quality mids, but you also effectively need a decent 2m player at each end and a 2m++ ruckman (unless they have Nic's leap)

 

[WCE777]

Is he any better than Brock though?

Apart from a couple of cringe moments on the weekend, Brock has been great since the Carlton game.

Don't know, Brock is really in the start of his career, but Brock looks like a CHB with his intercepting, body work and elite kick.
I think Busslinger will be better than H Edwards long term and that's a good thing to spend our draft capital on and $.
KPD are hard to draft and develop, if WC give up maybe Hawks 2nd round pick for him this year and 3 year contract that will be the best use of our draft and trade capital.
He is not to far away from being able to play on the big KPF's and still only 21, same age as Hewett & Ginbey.
In an overall list look we are short of KPD's before Gov retired, he is now gone unfortunately and we need reinforcements ASAP in that part of the ground.
Bazzo is looking more like a 3rd tall and depth, otherwise he would have been given more opportunity this year.
WC have another KPD NGA player coming through next year who is already 194cm as a 17yo and very athletic, African background and that will complete that part of the ground for the foreseeable future.

 

[sharps24]

In the end the modern game needs runners with skill and lost of quality mids, but you also effectively need a decent 2m player at each end and a 2m++ ruckman (unless they have Nic's leap)

Bailey had the best running vertical in his draft year, not quite what Nic achieved but he's probably either top or top 2 for leap playing at the moment.

Both listed at 201cm Nic running vert 102cm Bailey 94cm, standing veriticle 74cm to 66cm or something like that. He's pretty close and you can see him leap over opponents in the centre bounce a lot. The timing and control is way off but the centre bounce nowadays is a completely different thing to when Nic played where half the ruckman don't even jump and there seems to be much less advantage to being more athletic in the air. All about standing your ground and being a fat arse now.

Edit: Not being a ruckman its hard to say but I'm guessing Nic had a bit of a reach advantage on Bailey despite being the same hight and the extra bit of leap combined to give him just that little bit of extra operating room in that rarefied air above your opponents reach, which probably helps a lot. Extra split second of working time maybe.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

In the end the modern game needs runners with skill and lost of quality mids, but you also effectively need a decent 2m player at each end and a 2m++ ruckman (unless they have Nic's leap)

Bailey offers a point of difference imo. I'd just hate to turf him out just when he's hitting his straps. Has been a frustrating player to watch at times, purely because we all know the potential he has.

I think he's better than steak knives in a deal to bring over a 30 something year old ruck. That's selling both him, and us short.

 

[Keys]

Logan Morris taken the pick after Archer Reid in the 2023 draft

This isn’t a knock on our recruiters though. In fact, it’s the opposite

It’s my recollection that Brisbane tried, and failed, to get pick 30 off us as the first pick on night two so they could get Reid. So they rated him above Morris which can only be seen as a good sign

 

[THE A5]

Bailey had the best running vertical in his draft year, not quite what Nic achieved but he's probably either top or top 2 for leap playing at the moment.

Both listed at 201cm Nic running vert 102cm Bailey 94cm, standing veriticle 74cm to 66cm or something like that. He's pretty close and you can see him leap over opponents in the centre bounce a lot. The timing and control is way off but the centre bounce nowadays is a completely different thing to when Nic played where half the ruckman don't even jump and there seems to be much less advantage to being more athletic in the air. All about standing your ground and being a fat arse now.

Edit: Not being a ruckman its hard to say but I'm guessing Nic had a bit of a reach advantage on Bailey despite being the same hight and the extra bit of leap combined to give him just that little bit of extra operating room in that rarefied air above your opponents reach, which probably helps a lot. Extra split second of working time maybe.

Bailey’s reach is quite poor for for a lot of AFL players his height. The most important thing he lack as a footballer is footy IQ. That said it’s good to see him doing well the last few weeks.

It’s a pitty Nic fell apart so quickly in 2022 cause it would have been fun watching him playing second fiddle to Nic for a few years.

 

[sharps24]

Bailey’s reach is quite poor for for a lot of AFL players his height. The most important thing he lack as a footballer is footy IQ. That said it’s good to see him doing well the last few weeks.

It’s a pitty Nic fell apart so quickly in 2022 cause it would have been fun watching him playing second fiddle to Nic for a few years.

There's still time. Now hear me out folks, if ruck trends continue a mostly stationary Nic at 140kgs could be the most devastating version we've seen yet. Worth that extra rookie spot the AFL is going to give us right? And they've always paid his salary for us so it could be quite a lucrative move for the big man.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

Bailey’s reach is quite poor for for a lot of AFL players his height. The most important thing he lack as a footballer is footy IQ. That said it’s good to see him doing well the last few weeks.

It’s a pitty Nic fell apart so quickly in 2022 cause it would have been fun watching him playing second fiddle to Nic for a few years.

New gameplan, perhaps we are beginning to see the best of him as a result. The ball is coming in a lot quicker (albeit from turnover and not necessarily center bounces), gives our forwards a better chance.

He's still the same as ever in the ruck, but that's just fine for a part timer. He competes well enough to my eye.

 

[eaglevision]

Logan Morris taken the pick after Archer Reid in the 2023 draft

This isn’t a knock on our recruiters though. In fact, it’s the opposite

It’s my recollection that Brisbane tried, and failed, to get pick 30 off us as the first pick on night two so they could get Reid. So they rated him above Morris which can only be seen as a good sign

Morris was always going to be the sugar hit, Archer the longer term prospect as he grows into his body. Was happy we took Archer then and still happy now although Morris has been exceptional for a young tall forward.

Richmond tried to trade up to take Archer, from memory Brisbane were just going to take whichever we didn’t.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

Not trying to pump the big man up too much, but just an interesting few points in bold from Baz's draft profile that hint at the reasons we're seeing some improvement in this quicker, front half high pressure gameplan;

Dandenong play with intense pressure and relentless attack, and this shines in Williams. For a tall, Williams boasted talent high and low with the football, with impressive speed and attack in the forward line. He was a big contributor in the Stingrays standout season and might just be their team’s best player.

Williams has long been praised for his athletic ability. In the National Draft Combine, and despite his size, he finished sixth in the 20-metre sprint (2.946 seconds) just behind Geelong Falcons defender, Connor Idun

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Connor Idun

Age

25

Ht

193cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

74.0

1star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

74.0

1star

(2.945 seconds) and ahead of highly-touted tall, Ben King

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Ben King

Age

25

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

(2.965 seconds).

STRENGTHS

Athleticism
Contested marking
Leading
Vertical leap
- Pressure
- Work-rate
Play-making

His speed and daunting presence also allow him to apply concentrated pressure as a forward, both trapping the football and chasing runners. Williams is not afraid to get low or take on the ball carrier as his athleticism and work-rate continues to offer him these opportunities.

He knows how to bring his teammates into the game, and that echoes true with the Stingrays’ recent success. He in the chaos, he seems to thrive, but his work when play has settled has more people talking though.

IMPROVEMENTS

- Set shot goalkicking
- Consistency

His draft range was a surprise to me, reading back...as low as 12, but as high as 40. I've always liked big Baz. Hope he makes the cut for us. Some players just take more time than others, looking at him from a glass half full perspective (as I do more often than not).

 

[Matele]

I’d heard Jobe absolutely loves it over here, so not concerned that he hasn’t signed an extension just yet.

It seems More than likely his extension will be longer, especially given the esteem he is held internally.

I heard the jury was still out on science

 

[briztoon]

Logan Morris taken the pick after Archer Reid in the 2023 draft

This isn’t a knock on our recruiters though. In fact, it’s the opposite

It’s my recollection that Brisbane tried, and failed, to get pick 30 off us as the first pick on night two so they could get Reid. So they rated him above Morris which can only be seen as a good sign

That is not correct at all.

As I’ve mentioned before, each year the Lions hold a live draft night event for members (it’s a ticketed event with limited seats), and the recruiters present give a run down of each pick and the players we hope to select.

The recruiting team were split on Reid and Morris, but knew we would take which ever player was left, after the WC pick.

We didn’t have the draft capital to trade up, as we had limited picks in the 2023 draft, and had already traded out our 2024 second round pick and needed to preserve the rest of our 2024 draft hand.

 

[bombard]

The Kraken, awakes.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Bailey Williams and pick 20 for Darcy Cameron and 36 I’m perfectly fine with.

And what if Darcy Cameron gets injured we are back to Matt Flynn.
Dumbest idea ever!