List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[Dom sheed pocket]

Can't trade a pick a club has traded to you directly back to them. Ward's value would be very close the WCE second rounder if we were to finish bottom 4.

You can do it if you trade it back the year after the initial trade.

Hawks trading the F1 last year means we can trade it straight back to them this year. We wouldn't have been able to trade it back last year.

 

[ghostbat12]

Problem is we lose Allan in that vic media will go full throttle on poor culture resulting in captain leaving.

Losing Allan means a must get of warner to dilute the hysteria.

Would be handy to get one or two other young players (not Darcy Cameron).

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Problem is we lose Allan in that vic media will go full throttle on poor culture resulting in captain leaving.

Losing Allan means a must get of warner to dilute the hysteria.

Would be handy to get one or two other young players (not Darcy Cameron).

We can't just hand out 6 year contracts to perm-injured guys because we're afraid of what the media says if we don't.

We are in a tricky spot. We need to keep Harley, and getting Warner will help with that, and can use Oscar's FA as leverage, but if we lose Oscar and don't get Warner it's not a particularly attractive proposition.

 

[WCE777]

Yes if we lose Allen we will be a bit short in the forward line for a couple of years, but we are waiting on the midfield and a new KPD to catch up anyway.

Finish 3rd last, get pick 3
We lose Allen for pick 4.
Trade 4 + f1 for Warner + swans f1 (or whatever, doesnt really matter)
Trade 3 for Curtin + Crows 1st - add some change either way depending where the Crows end up.

End up with the Crows and Hawks 1st rounders.
Draft Curtin and whichever outside mid we want

End up with Warner, Curtin x2 and an outside mid of choice.

Warner bolsters the midfield, the other kid adds to the roster of young mids we have.
Allen leaving means theres space for Shanahan to train as a forward again.

We have 2x Curtins to compete for KPD spots with Edwards/Brock/Barnett, including Dans nice left boot that could sit at half back for us. I have a lot more faith in the 2 Curtins to be good players long term than any of our other KPDs.

Just an example, but we would be far better off in every way except for the partner to Waterman, but between Shanahan, Reid and JWil im sure theyd be competent.

Disagree totally with losing Allen, until someone takes his spot from JW, Archer, Shanahan they are minimum 3 tears away from being number 1 KFWD's, if 1 of them knocks Allen out of best 23 then trade him then!

Finish 4th last, get pick 4, use this on an elite mid in Sharp, Greeves, Rodriguez.
Warner for Hawks 1st and WCF1st, elite mid, done deal.

Hawks 2nd for Josh Ward, as per WCE_Phil recommendation, very good well balanced mid, done deal.

Sydney slide to around 6th this year with a bit of inconsistency leaving them with pick 13 and they have 3 academy players rated between 15-25 at this stage that they need points for, trade WC 2nd round pick 22 and F2nd 24 for their pick 13 and draft C Curtin as KDEF option going forward, if they need more put a future 3rd in the deal.

Edwards/Brock/A Reid/Shanahan/Barnett are all potential KDEF options long term and probably only 2-3 make it long term, that's why Curtin in this draft is the completion of our KDEF stocks.

WC have then added Warner an elite mid, Ward a very solid well balanced mid who was a first choice mid before D'Ambrosio was drafted and would replace Chesser/Sheed.

Trade Petch, Chesser and get a 3rd and 4th round pick to cover drafting Walley and Banfield as WC FS/NGA.
Drafting elite top 5 draft mid, best available KDEF, Walley, Banfield drafting done.

Added through trade Warner and Ward, 2 best 23 mids to complement our young talent and fast track our rebuild.

 

[Elite Pete]

A full year of footy to go but if Warner does nominate the Eagles I reckon Swans will want one of the the young tall forwards included in the deal. (AReid, Shanahan or JWill) but that will go on how they look during the year

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

Maybe we reserve that judgement until we see, firstly how many games he plays this year ( hopefully his injury woes are behind him) and what his production looks like.

I like Oscar and what his “A game” can contribute, however it’s been too long for my liking, since he produced his “A game” consistently on a regular basis, be that him having been impeded by either injury or form.

For me the jury is very much still out on assigning a true value on Oscar.

At this point in time I find myself indifferent to his form, would love for him to convince me he is a genuine keeper going forward.
This comment is coloured significantly in the background that if he signed a long contract else where, this would lead to us getting a band 1 compensation pick.
Coupled with wanting to see how the following three youngsters perform this season:
A Reid
Shanahan
J Williams

Important start to the season for Oscar.

Yeah. I think it is hard to assign a value to Allen and decide how far we should be willing to go to keep him without knowing what the true state of his body is, how much longevity we think he will have and how likely he is to be impaired in the second half of his career (i.e. Will he be unable to jump or take overhead marks anymore ala Darling). Only the club knows that.

Where we finish on the ladder, which will obviously affect where the compo pick would fall, is obviously another important unknown factor.

 

[WCE777]

Can't trade a pick a club has traded to you directly back to them. Ward's value would be very close the WCE second rounder if we were to finish bottom 4.

Didn't know that, but still fair value at our second round pick.
I went and looked at Ward's games and he looks very impressive, been knocked down 1 spot in their midfield with arrival of D'Ambrosio and emergence of Newcombe.

 

[RanaNaved]

Problem is we lose Allan in that vic media will go full throttle on poor culture resulting in captain leaving.

Losing Allan means a must get of warner to dilute the hysteria.

Would be handy to get one or two other young players (not Darcy Cameron).

At the end of the day they're just words though. Give it a couple of days and people will get bored and move on to something else.

We can't let the media dictate what we do

 

[TOA.]

Can't trade a pick a club has traded to you directly back to them. Ward's value would be very close the WCE second rounder if we were to finish bottom 4.

Phil, is there any merit in even discussing Ward. Its nice to dream and i'd hope the club puts a call in, but he's the type of player that we speculate on but just wont happen surely? He's not from WA, we cannot even attract WA talent, if he was to leave he'd 100% have strong interest from big Vic clubs and go there.

I mean we couldnt even get near Peatling, who was more of a battler and leaving GWS for more opportunities and happy to play anywhere. Ward is a top Victorian kid and its just pie in the sky stuff to even think about for mine.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Phil, is there any merit in even discussing Ward. Its nice to dream and i'd hope the club puts a call in, but he's the type of player that we speculate on but just wont happen surely? He's not from WA, we cannot even attract WA talent, if he was to leave he'd 100% have strong interest from big Vic clubs and go there.

I mean we couldnt even get near Peatling, who was more of a battler and leaving GWS for more opportunities and happy to play anywhere. Ward is a top Victorian kid and its just pie in the sky stuff to even think about for mine.

If you believe the rumours from back in 2023 Ward was one player we had an eye on if Hawks made a serious play for pick 1, so it sounds like we like him as a player.

Also, this year is an important year for Ward, currently in his fourth year, coming out of contract without a clear spot in B23. He'd be able to have his head turned if he isn't in the Hawks lineup by mid season.

 

[Elite Pete]

Phil, is there any merit in even discussing Ward. Its nice to dream and i'd hope the club puts a call in, but he's the type of player that we speculate on but just wont happen surely? He's not from WA, we cannot even attract WA talent, if he was to leave he'd 100% have strong interest from big Vic clubs and go there.

I mean we couldnt even get near Peatling, who was more of a battler and leaving GWS for more opportunities and happy to play anywhere. Ward is a top Victorian kid and it’s just pie in the sky stuff to even think about for mine.

The Next 3-4 weeks could go a long way to decide his Hawks career with Worpel out.

Have heard him get interviewed somewhere and sounded very much like he loved Melbourne life. Times do change though

 

[Mattman93]

Can't trade a pick a club has traded to you directly back to them. Ward's value would be very close the WCE second rounder if we were to finish bottom 4.

Did we enquire about Ward during Barrass negotiations?

 

[PepperTom32]

If you believe the rumours from back in 2023 Ward was one player we had an eye on if Hawks made a serious play for pick 1, so it sounds like we like him as a player.

Also, this year is an important year for Ward, currently in his fourth year, coming out of contract without a clear spot in B23. He'd be able to have his head turned if he isn't in the Hawks lineup by mid season.

I do wonder about the allure of playing with Harley. Never heard of players wanting to move to a club to play with a certain player before. If it’s enticing players then we gotta harness it with speculative trades like Ward.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

I do wonder about the allure of playing with Harley. Never heard of players wanting to move to a club to play with a certain player before. If it’s enticing players then we gotta harness it with speculative trades like Ward.

Don't think the allure has much material impact while Harley remains unsigned beyond the end of next year... But as a general rule. Yes, having Harley could be an absolute recruiting boon for us.

We're seeing in general a broader set of factors come into decision making for players. "life style" and "out of the "fishbowl" in QLD/NSW, playing under x coach like at Hawthorn. Like Essendon we have previously put our eggs in the "best facilities" basked, but I'm not sure how much facilities factor in when most clubs have decent/quite good facilities.

 

[WCE_phil]

Did we enquire about Ward during Barrass negotiations?

Yes and I just really want to see the hawks ****ed over. I think he's quality and he's been knocked down a spot as he's a genuine inside mid (who can also play wing). He's another 1 or 2 preseasons from breaking out. I'd throw a 5 year contract at good coin at him and see if we can get it to stick. Worst case scenario is it drives up his price.

 

[PepperTom32]

Don't think the allure has much material impact while Harley remains unsigned beyond the end of next year... But as a general rule. Yes, having Harley could be an absolute recruiting boon for us.

We're seeing in general a broader set of factors come into decision making for players. "life style" and "out of the "fishbowl" in QLD/NSW, playing under x coach like at Hawthorn. Like Essendon we have previously put our eggs in the "best facilities" basked, but I'm not sure how much facilities factor in when most clubs have decent/quite good facilities.

Good point, if he re-signs then it’ll carry a lot more weight than his current status. Especially if we recruit Warner.

 

[WCE777]

Yes and I just really want to see the hawks ****ed over. I think he's quality and he's been knocked down a spot as he's a genuine inside mid (who can also play wing). He's another 1 or 2 preseasons from breaking out. I'd throw a 5 year contract at good coin at him and see if we can get it to stick. Worst case scenario is it drives up his price.

Great insight on negotiations.
I like the play for Ward, with Sheed & Chesser both done imo, Ward is that Shuey type who like you say can also play wing.
Using a second rounder for a known product 22yo with upside is much better business than a speculative 18yo.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I just really want to see the hawks ****ed over

We should incorporate this into the lyrics of the club song.

 

[ghostbat12]

We should incorporate this into the lyrics of the club song.

lol.

So they can think even more that they got inside our heads?

 

[FKASC]

We should incorporate this into the lyrics of the club song.

More than winning

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

lol.

So they can think even more that they got inside our heads?

I'm not opposed to name dropping all the clubs.

**** 'em.

 

[WA footy mad]

I'm with Cornes on the Allen issue, WCE should not buckle on there offer. We will end playing overs on a few players and losing our salary cap advantage. We will be needing as much as we can get to get a few quality players at the end of 2025

 

[Mattman93]

Yes and I just really want to see the hawks ****ed over. I think he's quality and he's been knocked down a spot as he's a genuine inside mid (who can also play wing). He's another 1 or 2 preseasons from breaking out. I'd throw a 5 year contract at good coin at him and see if we can get it to stick. Worst case scenario is it drives up his price.

Presumably it never got off the ground with a contracted player not keen to move. Which also makes me think, can't imagine him being keen a year later (unless we're way overpaying for a purely speculative acquisition).

Relatedly - what was the explicit reasoning for taking Hawthorn's picks over Carlton's?

 

[Elite Pete]

Agenda Setters on 7.

They were talking about JUH and possible clubs that should go for him. Nick Riewoldt had the Eagles as one of 5. Reasoning, Eagles need to get aggressive and not just wait for clubs to get Oscar and Harley (can’t remember the exact words he said).

Isn’t that what going after Warner, Starcevich and Cameron is?

Korn asked him why not Saints as they need a forward. His reason was they need mids…….. haha. Comical

 

[stallon]

Disagree totally with losing Allen, until someone takes his spot from JW, Archer, Shanahan they are minimum 3 tears away from being number 1 KFWD's, if 1 of them knocks Allen out of best 23 then trade him then!

We are wating for a KPD to announce themselves and for some of our young mids to get to that 22ish age where they can hold their own anyway, theres not a huge rush.
In 2 years, Archer will be in his 4th season and Shanahan in his 3rd, and we have JWil who will be big enough to fight any KPD.

Finish 4th last, get pick 4, use this on an elite mid in Sharp, Greeves, Rodriguez.
Warner for Hawks 1st and WCF1st, elite mid, done deal.

Hawks 2nd for Josh Ward, as per WCE_Phil recommendation, very good well balanced mid, done deal.

Sydney slide to around 6th this year with a bit of inconsistency leaving them with pick 13 and they have 3 academy players rated between 15-25 at this stage that they need points for, trade WC 2nd round pick 22 and F2nd 24 for their pick 13 and draft C Curtin as KDEF option going forward, if they need more put a future 3rd in the deal.

Edwards/Brock/A Reid/Shanahan/Barnett are all potential KDEF options long term and probably only 2-3 make it long term, that's why Curtin in this draft is the completion of our KDEF stocks.

WC have then added Warner an elite mid, Ward a very solid well balanced mid who was a first choice mid before D'Ambrosio was drafted and would replace Chesser/Sheed.

Trade Petch, Chesser and get a 3rd and 4th round pick to cover drafting Walley and Banfield as WC FS/NGA.
Drafting elite top 5 draft mid, best available KDEF, Walley, Banfield drafting done.

Added through trade Warner and Ward, 2 best 23 mids to complement our young talent and fast track our rebuild.

Just saying we can actually still get Ward with what I suggested with a 2nd rounder.
Add Warner, Curtin x2, Ward, and a pick in the teens for a mid along with our NGA and f/s

Id be pretty content with our midfield, and we would have our backline+ kpf replacement fully covered