List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[Deepthroat]

Is he going to leave WA?

If he wants to continue earning a living through playing.

 

[pantskyle]

I wouldn't think Kelly will leave WA at all. He'll sign for at least another season with us or retire.

 

[Scotland]

He will probably play some statistically good games when Yeo is back so we'll re-sign him for 4 years.

 

[briztoon]

Is he going to leave WA?

He’s a restricted free agent.

You either offer him a contract or he walks as a delisted free agent.

 

[eaglevision]

He’s a restricted free agent.

You either offer him a contract or he walks as a delisted free agent.

No he’s not. Hasn’t given 8 years service.

 

[Scotland]

He’s a restricted free agent.

You either offer him a contract or he walks as a delisted free agent.

He's only played 6 seasons at West Coast. He does not have RFA status.

There is a possibility he will be delisted and will end up as a DFA. But he doesn't to leave WA.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

TK not wanting to leave WA and him needing to leave WA to provide for his family aren’t mutually exclusive.

 

[dajesmac]

There is zero chance a club would pay anything for a 31 year old Kelly. Even if there was some interest, he’d go for a very late pick. More likely delisted IMO.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

MSD rookie draft May 28th.

I know i've gone early, but who are the Humphries/Maric/durham/martin types available?

What/who are our needs?

Young 18yo who missed out last draft vs mature body.

Key defender vs midfielder

Clancy Dennis is my selection.

 

[sharps24]

Stats can tell you whatever you want them to.

He currently buys and sells our other small forwards Owies, Long, Brockman.

Long has missed a fair bit of footy granted.

This should've been the year where Cripps played some wafl games as the other took over.
That he is outperforming the others is damning.

And you can also ignore stats just because you don't want to lose the vibe you have on a player. For a start Liam Ryan is our best small forward and Jamie isn't out performing him. Long isn't a small forward at all is just called one, and Cripps isn't out performing Brockman by a lot, if at all. They are slightly different players playing different roles but:

After 4 games, with Cripps playing 33 minutes more time on ground [probably due to not being part of mid rotations].

Both had 7 possessions on the weekend.

Brockman leads Cripps for centre and stoppage clearances, contested marks, contested possessions, handballs, disposal efficiency, one %'s.

Cripps has kicked 5.1 from 8 shots on goal to Brockans 3.2 from 5 shots on goal. Leads Brockman by decent margin for for kicks and uncontested possessions, and then by small margins in marks, disposals, tackles. If not for Cripps career high goal conversion early, adjust for time on ground and Brockman is arguably ahead. On the eye test, Brockman is a significantly more skilled player than Cripps, particularly under pressure. Ryan is clearly better than both.

Anyway I would argue that Cripps should be in the side ahead of Long, but not Brockman or Owies because both of those guys are brining more defensive pressure or winning more contested ball which are two areas we desperately need to improve on.

I would further argue that once Long is out of the team [for Hewett perhaps] and Cripps is the next most vulnerable, then once Hutchinson and Yeo are back and that pushes the likes of Gross and Davis out of the side, then we would be better served playing both of those guys as small forwards in order to get their games in. Also if Hall is squeezed out of the middle then moving Kelly to half forward over Cripps would allow us to keep Hall in the side if he's behind Hutch and Yeo for midfield minutes. It's not about whether Cripps is still getting 7-10 possessions and game and contributing 1.3 goals a game for infinity. It's the opportunity cost of banking that ahead of getting games into Gross, David, Johnston, Allen, Greggo or indeed even my boy Rawlinson. Cripps is not setting a high bar. 10 possessions and a goal a game is not outside the ability of and of those 5 kids who aren't going to be playing once Yeo and Hutchinson are back.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

There is zero chance a club would pay anything for a 31 year old Kelly. Even if there was some interest, he’d go for a very late pick. More likely delisted IMO.

Yeah. One of those situations where if he was available for free somebody who sees themselves as being in flag contention would offer him a contract with the intention being for him to be the 7th or 8th midfielder in their midfield rotation and provide some depth. But nobody will pay us anything for him.

Can't see him voluntarily retiring. The bloke is dumb as a rock and has no skills. The only way he can earn an above average income is from footy so he will have to maximise what he can get out of it.

 

[Tugga27]

And you can also ignore stats just because you don't want to lose the vibe you have on a player. For a start Liam Ryan is our best small forward and Jamie isn't out performing him. Long isn't a small forward at all is just called one, and Cripps isn't out performing Brockman by a lot, if at all. They are slightly different players playing different roles but:

After 4 games, with Cripps playing 33 minutes more time on ground [probably due to not being part of mid rotations].

Both had 7 possessions on the weekend.

Brockman leads Cripps for centre and stoppage clearances, contested marks, contested possessions, handballs, disposal efficiency, one %'s.

Cripps has kicked 5.1 from 8 shots on goal to Brockans 3.2 from 5 shots on goal. Leads Brockman by decent margin for for kicks and uncontested possessions, and then by small margins in marks, disposals, tackles. If not for Cripps career high goal conversion early, adjust for time on ground and Brockman is arguably ahead. On the eye test, Brockman is a significantly more skilled player than Cripps, particularly under pressure. Ryan is clearly better than both.

Anyway I would argue that Cripps should be in the side ahead of Long, but not Brockman or Owies because both of those guys are brining more defensive pressure or winning more contested ball which are two areas we desperately need to improve on.

I would further argue that once Long is out of the team [for Hewett perhaps] and Cripps is the next most vulnerable, then once Hutchinson and Yeo are back and that pushes the likes of Gross and Davis out of the side, then we would be better served playing both of those guys as small forwards in order to get their games in. Also if Hall is squeezed out of the middle then moving Kelly to half forward over Cripps would allow us to keep Hall in the side if he's behind Hutch and Yeo for midfield minutes. It's not about whether Cripps is still getting 7-10 possessions and game and contributing 1.3 goals a game for infinity. It's the opportunity cost of banking that ahead of getting games into Gross, David, Johnston, Allen, Greggo or indeed even my boy Rawlinson. Cripps is not setting a high bar. 10 possessions and a goal a game is not outside the ability of and of those 5 kids who aren't going to be playing once Yeo and Hutchinson are back.

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[Jumpoff Joey]

This should've been the year where Cripps played some wafl games as the other took over.
That he is outperforming the others is damning.

I think the club is in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation for young players not being selected due to more experience players.

The options I see, and its frustrating because I prefer players earn their keep but we are now in situation that need a rethink, and just play kids, form or no form.

Stick with a hard rule: If there is a choice between a player who is under 24 and one who is over, the kid gets the selection. This doesn't help with selection integrity and doesn't reward form. I assume the public will blow up and threaten not to renew their membership (you know the typical), especially when players might be out of form and blowouts occur, but we will see very quickly which kids have it and who will not make it at this level.

Extending players like Cripps, McGovern, and even Kelly (I don't see him playing WAFL being an issue) should be on rookie contracts rolling every 12 months and told explicitly that if they want to continue playing, it will be in the WAFL.

McGovern is clearly one of our best players when playing, but with guys like Bazzo, Brock, Maric, etc., they just need games, and we can't fit them in without an honest conversation with the elder statesmen on the team.

 

[Tugga27]

I think the club is in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation for young players not being selected due to more experience players.

The options I see, and its frustrating because I prefer players earn their keep but we are now in situation that need a rethink, and just play kids, form or no form.

Stick with a hard rule: If there is a choice between a player who is under 24 and one who is over, the kid gets the selection. This doesn't help with selection integrity and doesn't reward form. I assume the public will blow up and threaten not to renew their membership (you know the typical), especially when players might be out of form and blowouts occur, but we will see very quickly which kids have it and who will not make it at this level.

Extending players like Cripps, McGovern, and even Kelly (I don't see him playing WAFL being an issue) should be on rookie contracts rolling every 12 months and told explicitly that if they want to continue playing, it will be in the WAFL.

McGovern is clearly one of our best players when playing, but with guys like Bazzo, Brock, Maric, etc., they just need games, and we can't fit them in without an honest conversation with the elder statesmen on the team.

Fair enough but Gov has signed a 1 year deal and is probably happy to keep doing so.

When you say "rookie contracts", I hope you don't mean rookie money, because if anyone at the club deserves decent coin, it's him.

 

[Coasters7]

Murphy Reid looking alright this year

Looking alright playing half forward for a top 8 list. Wouldn’t look half as good on our HFF or in the guts.

Just like Ashcroft, Langford, Lindsay look decent. It’s a lot easier when you have leaders and mature players ahead of you.

 

[WCEswift]

Zane cochrane could be a msd option, stoppage mid with a big leg

 

[PremiershipNo4]

He will probably play some statistically good games when Yeo is back so we'll re-sign him for 4 years.

God I hope not!

 

[eaglevision]

MSD rookie draft May 28th.

I know i've gone early, but who are the Humphries/Maric/durham/martin types available?

What/who are our needs?

Young 18yo who missed out last draft vs mature body.

Key defender vs midfielder

Clancy Dennis is my selection.

Posted this in another thread a little while ago:

Rucks and KPDs would be the obvious ones then after that best mature midfielders and over agers available. Would be great to see Brock at AFL level for a couple of games before the MSD but would probably mean we’ve had some injuries.

Mature players: Brayden Crossley, Dom Brew, Ajang Kol Mun, Kobe Ryan

Local over agers: Clancy Dennis, maybe Jaxon Artemis. Think we’re unlikely to look at Lucas Ravenhill with Livingstone on the list but other clubs might.

Best interstate over agers: Forwards Josh Murphy and Evan Bradley but neither are really a need, Zaydyn Lockwood but had a quiet game for Bendigo yesterday, Floyd Burmeister and then Nat Sulzberger from Tassie I thought was unlucky not to get picked up.

Stumpf with his athletic profile I’d love to see start the year well as a KPD. See him a little bit in the Zakostelsky mould that would take a few years but would suit our game style if he can show he can defend 1v1

 

[Elite Pete]

Zane cochrane could be a msd option, stoppage mid with a big leg

Where is he playing this year?

 

[WCEswift]

Where is he playing this year?

collingwood vfl i think, put up some monster games as a junior first game against men was ok

 

[WCE777]

Zane cochrane could be a msd option, stoppage mid with a big leg

do you have anymore about him?
only stuff I can find is he played in the Vic Metro team with Gross and co. and is a big bodied mid who can match it with most?

 

[WCEswift]

do you have anymore about him?
only stuff I can find is he played in the Vic Metro team with Gross and co. and is a big bodied mid who can match it with most?

He was the 4th mid in the team of FoS and jagga smith and Gross@ oakleigh chargers, I'd say very similar player to gross but a little more physically developed 21 disposals 4 marks 3 tackles a game average at 10 Coates talent league games

 

[eaglevision]

He was the 4th mid in the team of FoS and jagga smith and Gross@ oakleigh chargers, I'd say very similar player to gross but a little more physically developed 21 disposals 4 marks 3 tackles a game

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A few of the Oakleigh mids such as Cochrane and Grlj will surprise, hard to get time in there last year with FOS, Jagga and Gross.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

Fair enough but Gov has signed a 1 year deal and is probably happy to keep doing so.

When you say "rookie contracts", I hope you don't mean rookie money, because if anyone at the club deserves decent coin, it's him.

Why would we pay Gov decent money if we are making the conscious decision that he is there only to support the young guys coming through, and we will be going all in by selecting the likes of Brock, Bazzo, Hedwards, CJaimeson, etc.?

It's the nice guy attitude that has put us here. We have to move on sooner or later. It's going to be a tough pill to swallow and will get people offside but if we are to fast track the rebuild it needs to happen.

 

[WCE777]

He was the 4th mid in the team of FoS and jagga smith and Gross@ oakleigh chargers, I'd say very similar player to gross but a little more physically developed 21 disposals 4 marks 3 tackles a game

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thanks, looks a likely type and size.

Just looking through his draft year info and seems he is very versatile, inside outside mid, penetrating kick, prolific ball winner, great agility and workrate and could play on any line.
Your description of similar player to Gross but more physically developed seems very accurate.
Maybe you found 1 here, could do worse than MSD if there isn't a KDEF option out there.
Put him in the WAFL and see how he develops.