List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

[Keys]

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[Dom sheed pocket]

Not much difference this year imo. They probably stole 2 games they shouldn’t have won but they did. Wins change the views of which is the business they are in. I’m f we had of won those Richmond and Essendon games it’s a completey different view imo.

Not sure their 22yo and below are any better than ours atm. All their heavy lifting is done by the 25yo+. Plus they have been pretty lucky with injuries after last year.

I still don’t think he leaves to go to a rebuilding Richmond.

I think this is incredibly well thought out and entirely rational, which means you’re in the wrong place.

There’s a totally different conversation if we had won those two close games, but we didn’t and Richmond got on the board in r1 in a huge upset.

I agree that their senior players are doing more of the lifting.

On talent it’s an interesting one. Theyve certainly invested more in the top end of the draft (first round) then we have.

They still have Smillie and Hotton to come, and they’re debuting guys most weeks who all show something. It’s come very fast for Tiges.

By contrast we have been far more methodical, not selling the farm for draft picks, bringing in just 5 first round picks in 4 years, and only 2 in the top 10 with a lot of guys in the 30-40 range.

It’s a far less sexy way to do it, and hasn’t really done us any favour performance wise.

It’s fingernail deep analysis, but it definitely creates a perception they have gone past us, or more to the point have by-passed the really painful part of being old and bad while accruing talent through the draft.

I’d rather be a Richmond supporter than a west coast supporter right now. Even when they lose or lose badly they’re able to see the long term view becuase they’ve got 6-10 guys all coming through together.

 

[Donkers]

I think long term Richmond are going to have injury issues. They keep playing guys who aren't physically ready. It will come back to bite them eventually on at least 1-2 of their talls.

 

[Boohemian]

It’s a far less sexy way to do it, and hasn’t really done us any favour performance wise.

I don't think our position is as dire as a one win season (to date) would suggest. We have definitely have some green shoots coming through, some quality kids that really just need time to play more games, gain experience and work through a couple of preseasons together.

I'm feeling a hell of a lot better about our KPP stocks than I was 12 months prior, with AReid and JWilliams coming on, and the recruitment of Shanahan. AReid probably needs to make the switch down back.

Having those KPPs in place is a solid foundation to build upon, just to need hit this draft period and the next hard for elite midfield prospects.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I think this is incredibly well thought out and entirely rational, which means you’re in the wrong place.

There’s a totally different conversation if we had won those two close games, but we didn’t and Richmond got on the board in r1 in a huge upset.

I agree that their senior players are doing more of the lifting.

On talent it’s an interesting one. Theyve certainly invested more in the top end of the draft (first round) then we have.

They still have Smillie and Hotton to come, and they’re debuting guys most weeks who all show something. It’s come very fast for Tiges.

By contrast we have been far more methodical, not selling the farm for draft picks, bringing in just 5 first round picks in 4 years, and only 2 in the top 10 with a lot of guys in the 30-40 range.

It’s a far less sexy way to do it, and hasn’t really done us any favour performance wise.

It’s fingernail deep analysis, but it definitely creates a perception they have gone past us, or more to the point have by-passed the really painful part of being old and bad while accruing talent through the draft.

I’d rather be a Richmond supporter than a west coast supporter right now. Even when they lose or lose badly they’re able to see the long term view becuase they’ve got 6-10 guys all coming through together.

Nope, don't agree. A comparison

Top 10 possession per game, 22 or under
Eagles = 5, Tigers = 2.

Top 10 clearances per game, 22 or under
Eagles = 4, Tigers = 3.

Kicked 6 or more goals total, 22 or under
Eagles = 4, Tigers = 2

Top 15 in Supercoach Scores (i know, i know but it's a measurel, 22 or under
Eagles = 6, Tigers = 4

We have a stack coming through now as well, and they'd all look much better if they had Yeo fully healthy next to them, and even Sheed.

 

[eaglevision]

If there was a scratchie between our Under 23 squad vs Richmond’s Under 23 squad we would absolutely pummel them.

We’re ahead in the rebuild but Richmond’s leaders look like they actually give a shit. Whilst the W/L this year doesn’t reflect it I’d much rather have our list.

 

[WCE777]

If there was a scratchie between our Under 23 squad vs Richmond’s Under 23 squad we would absolutely pummel them.

We’re ahead in the rebuild but Richmond’s leaders look like they actually give a shit. Whilst the W/L this year doesn’t reflect it I’d much rather have our list.

Totally

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Nope, don't agree. A comparison

Top 10 possession per game, 22 or under
Eagles = 5, Tigers = 2.

Top 10 clearances per game, 22 or under
Eagles = 4, Tigers = 3.

Kicked 6 or more goals total, 22 or under
Eagles = 4, Tigers = 2

Top 15 in Supercoach Scores (i know, i know but it's a measurel, 22 or under
Eagles = 6, Tigers = 4

We have a stack coming through now as well, and they'd all look much better if they had Yeo fully healthy next to them, and even Sheed.

using CD AFL player ratings and filtering for both teams players u/22

5 of the top 7 are Richmond players.

And they have more on the bench too. Smillie, Hotton, Gibcus haven’t played this year.

For West Coast it’s Shanahan, Chesser, Grego Bazzo.




As I said there is no doubt that much of this is vibes and perceptions, but there is also the truth of the matter that we have been rebuilding from the bottom since 2021 and Tiges have bottomed out just last year and have accrued at least as much talent as us during that same 4 year window.

Richmond seemed to have avoided the very painful time at the bottom With no kids to look forward to that we experienced in 2022-2024.

 

[amazingjoshy]

using CD AFL player ratings and filtering for both teams players u/22

5 of the top 7 are Richmond players.


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Top 7 is a strange cut off point... 7 of the next 10 after that are WC players.

Almost as if it was to prove a point or something

 

[Donkers]

I think you should probably discount Fawcett as it's 1 game and then run an adjustment based on TOG to give a more realistic figure. Gross as an example is 44.7% TOG. I'm sure it wouldn't change much overall but would give a better picture.

The other thing for me to take into account is Richmond has still had close to it's best available midfield which makes a massive difference.

The difference between being the second or third mid in there with Flynn/Williams and Graham as opposed to being the 4th mid in the centre behind Nank, Hopper and Taranto is huge. Broad, Vlastuin, Balta (when playing), McKintosh, Lynch (when playing) and Short I think helps a lot as well.

If Allen was fully fit, McGovern and Yeo had played every game things would look very, very different.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Top 7 is a strange cut off point... 7 of the next 10 after that are WC players.

Almost as if it was to prove a point or something

We could say 6 of the top 10 are Tiges players, which would still be a very odd position to be in for a team that started the rebuild two years earlier than the tigers did.

If we started two years earlier you’d expect that west coast would have more than 4 of the top 10 rated players no?

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Totally agree.
It would be appropriate to have at least 2 more rookie spots for WA clubs because of the travel factor and it would totally increase the indigenous participation if we could choose to have them on either standard rookie or Cat B.
I agree Hunt would be the most vulnerable and then Chesser based on his second half of the season.
Bazzo deserves a 1 year extension to see what he has and we are short of defenders, Livingstone deserves another contract, has been improving rapidly for someone of his size.

More appropriately as keys has suggested, just get rid of a max list size and implement a minimum allowing clubs to manage how they please.

 

[amazingjoshy]

We could say 6 of the top 10 are Tiges players, which would still be a very odd position to be in for a team that started the rebuild two years earlier than the tigers did.

If we started two years earlier you’d expect that west coast would have more than 4 of the top 10 rated players no?

I don't really have a stake in this argument (other than being a WC supporter obviously)

But putting up a graphic of 20 players (split perfectly at 10 from each club incidentally) but then cutting off your stat at 7 because it made your point sound better i thought was interesting

Carry on

 

[Donkers]

More appropriately as keys has suggested, just get rid of a max list size and implement a minimum allowing clubs to manage how they please.

I honestly think this is the best 'lever' the AFL could pull without ****ing up the draft further to help poorly performing clubs on field help find those diamonds in the rough.

Well that and actually putting the soft cap not only back to where it was but then raising it in line with indexation to where it should be had covid not happened.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

If there was a scratchie between our Under 23 squad vs Richmond’s Under 23 squad we would absolutely pummel them.

We’re ahead in the rebuild but Richmond’s leaders look like they actually give a shit. Whilst the W/L this year doesn’t reflect it I’d much rather have our list.

You would expect that give we started rebuilding in 2021 and they started in 2024.

They have had access to better areas of the draft than we have had, have brought in more top 15 picks in the corresponding period, have more first round picks.

They’ve definitley completely bypassed the part of the rebuild when you are both bad and old that most teams go through, like we did in 2022-2023, which is the hardest part of a rebuild for fans and supporters and for attracting and retaining talent.

In that sense they’ve completely caught up to us.

That’s why the perceptions of both teams are wildly different.

Rather than being pig headed and doubling down, you could just say “you know richmond did well not to hang on to players for too long and cash in in players to get a good head start on their rebuild and it’s shown to be a smart decision”- instead in perfect eagle vision tradition you blindly make the point that our U23 would beat theres as if being at it for 2 years longer doesn’t count for anything.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

I don't really have a stake in this argument (other than being a WC supporter obviously)

But putting up a graphic of 20 players (split perfectly at 10 from each club incidentally) but then cutting off your stat at 7 because it made your point sound better i thought was interesting

Carry on

Sure.

So but placement of those players matters.

We’re two years ahead of them and yet we’re even Steven’s when it comes to comparing top 20 under 23 players and Richmond players dominate the top end of the list.

But that doesn’t matter becuase it’s 10-10.

It’s ok to say that our rebuild has been slow and painful and Tiges has Been fast and according to their fans quite enjoyable to be part of.

 

[eaglevision]

Rather than being pig headed and doubling down, you could just say “you know richmond did well not to hang on to players for too long and cash in in players to get a good head start on their rebuild and it’s shown to be a smart decision”- instead in perfect eagle vision tradition you blindly make the point that our U23 would beat theres as if being at it for 2 years longer doesn’t count for anything.

What a paragraph full of absolute bullshit. I’ve posted multiple times that Richmond did the right thing and traded out senior players of value, which is what we should have done when the writing was on the wall.

I made no comment that the extra two years doesn’t count for anything, I simply said I’d rather our current list than Richmond’s which is not blind at all.

You’re trying to extrapolate and say that because in my view our list is in better shape moving forward than Richmond’s, that somehow implies that I’d rather our rebuild strategy than theirs, which I don’t.

What an absolute load of shit you’ve written.

 

[Scotland]

Richmond's ins this week are Prestia, Lynch, Nankervis (and Sonsie).

Their outs include Samson Ryan and Maurice Rioli Jr omitted, with Lalor and Dow injured.

Just a lazy 600 games more experience added to the side.

Our 5 ins haven't played 50 games between them. But yes their rebuild is complete and it's the young players that have them flying*.

*16th with 3 wins and a percentage under 70.

 

[Elite Pete]

I think this is incredibly well thought out and entirely rational, which means you’re in the wrong place.

There’s a totally different conversation if we had won those two close games, but we didn’t and Richmond got on the board in r1 in a huge upset.

I agree that their senior players are doing more of the lifting.

On talent it’s an interesting one. Theyve certainly invested more in the top end of the draft (first round) then we have.

They still have Smillie and Hotton to come, and they’re debuting guys most weeks who all show something. It’s come very fast for Tiges.

By contrast we have been far more methodical, not selling the farm for draft picks, bringing in just 5 first round picks in 4 years, and only 2 in the top 10 with a lot of guys in the 30-40 range.

It’s a far less sexy way to do it, and hasn’t really done us any favour performance wise.

It’s fingernail deep analysis, but it definitely creates a perception they have gone past us, or more to the point have by-passed the really painful part of being old and bad while accruing talent through the draft.

I’d rather be a Richmond supporter than a west coast supporter right now. Even when they lose or lose badly they’re able to see the long term view becuase they’ve got 6-10 guys all coming through together.

They really only hit the draft this year. Now while where you were selected will for ever be if you were a 1st, 2nd 3rd round pick. The reality it means little. We got 4 players who were in a lot of ‘experts’ top 30-35s so could be nearly the equivalent of what Richmond got even more so as

Bo Allan in that 7-14 spot
Shanahan 12-30 spot.
Gross, Davis rated in that 20-35 spot.

Will be interesting to see how it all washes up. I’m happy with ours over Richmond’s if Harley signs. If not it really is a couple years back in the rebuild

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

What a paragraph full of absolute bullshit. I’ve posted multiple times that Richmond did the right thing and traded out senior players of value, which is what we should have done when the writing was on the wall.

I made no comment that the extra two years doesn’t count for anything, I simply said I’d rather our list than Richmond’s which is not blind at all.

You’re trying to extrapolate and say that because in my view our list is in better shape moving forward than Richmond’s, that somehow implies that I’d rather our rebuild strategy than theirs, which I don’t.

What an absolute load of shit you’ve written.

And, you’ve completely missed the point (again?) of the conversation that was why would Harley want to leave us for Tiges which was the perception and vibe that they’re ahead of us because they’ve gone heavily to the draft in the last year and out performe their expectations while we are last and arguably underperformed.

Saying “our under 23 would smash theirs” adds nothing of value.

 

[twce13]

Richmond are still a Year or two away from Thier bottom of the rebuild. I'd say we've been in ours this year and last.

 

[Tugga27]

What a paragraph full of absolute bullshit. I’ve posted multiple times that Richmond did the right thing and traded out senior players of value, which is what we should have done when the writing was on the wall.

I made no comment that the extra two years doesn’t count for anything, I simply said I’d rather our current list than Richmond’s which is not blind at all.

You’re trying to extrapolate and say that because in my view our list is in better shape moving forward than Richmond’s, that somehow implies that I’d rather our rebuild strategy than theirs, which I don’t.

What an absolute load of shit you’ve written.

The difference is, that their good players requested trades so it's not like Richmond pushed them out the door.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

They really only hit the draft this year. Now while where you were selected will for ever be if you were a 1st, 2nd 3rd round pick. The reality it means little. We got 4 players who were in a lot of ‘experts’ top 30-35s so could be nearly the equivalent of what Richmond got even more so as

Bo Allan in that 7-14 spot
Shanahan 12-30 spot.
Gross, Davis rated in that 20-35 spot.

Will be interesting to see how it all washes up. I’m happy with ours over Richmond’s if Harley signs. If not it really is a couple years back in the rebuild

The only real proxy indicator for talent is where you taken in the draft.

There’s little doubt that Richmind have had access to better talent just by virtue of the picks they had last year and in 2021 compared to what we have had over the same period.

Talent acquisition is the hardest part of a rebuild becuase you generally need to spend years at the bottom to get access to the top end of the draft.

The simple observation is Richmond has taken years off their rebuild by going all in on 2024 (and 2025) draft.

And that’s why perceptions of each club are different, despite reality that they’re not very far apart- mind you we should be streets ahead 4 years in.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

using CD AFL player ratings and filtering for both teams players u/22

5 of the top 7 are Richmond players.

And they have more on the bench too. Smillie, Hotton, Gibcus haven’t played this year.

For West Coast it’s Shanahan, Chesser, Grego Bazzo.


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As I said there is no doubt that much of this is vibes and perceptions, but there is also the truth of the matter that we have been rebuilding from the bottom since 2021 and Tiges have bottomed out just last year and have accrued at least as much talent as us during that same 4 year window.

Richmond seemed to have avoided the very painful time at the bottom With no kids to look forward to that we experienced in 2022-2024.

The tigers have a heap they have played 3 games or less. Let’s give them a few more games

 

[Scotland]

The difference is, that their good players requested trades so it's not like Richmond pushed them out the door.

And they also had players with currency.

Our players with trade currency last year were Waterman, Allen, Ryan and obviously Reid who was 19. We didn't have Bolton, Baker (do now, lol), Rioli in their prime that clubs would be willing to trade good assets for.

 

[eaglevision]

And, you’ve completely missed the point (again?) of the conversation that was why would Harley want to leave us for Tiges which was the perception and vibe that they’re ahead of us because they’ve gone heavily to the draft in the last year and out performe their expectations while we are last and arguably underperformed.

Saying “our under 23 would smash theirs” adds nothing of value.

I wasn’t commenting on why Harley would or wouldn’t leave us or perceptions or vibes, I was commenting on whose list as it stands is in better shape for a rebuilding side as there was conjecture about that. Assessment of the U23 talent on a list would be one of, if not the best metric to quantify that so it adds plenty of value.

What adds no value in making this assessment is saying “but, but we’ve been down for years and they haven’t”. If you want to make an argument about which club went about the rebuild the right way then sure, that’s an argument for the way Richmond is going about it. Quite frankly I agree they have nailed the process (not the picks) but that doesn’t change that as it stands, I’d rather our list than Richmond’s.