List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 3

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List Changes - 2025

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In:

• Brandon Starcevich arrives at West Coast in a three team deal
• Tylar Young (Richmond) arrived at West Coast in exchange for Pick 38.
• Deven Robertson (Brisbane) has agreed to join West Coast and will be signed on to the rookie list after being delisted by Brisbane

Out:

• Oscar Allen joins Brisbane as a FA - West Coast receive Pick 2 as compensation
• Liam Ryan and a 2027 R3 pick has been traded to St Kilda for a 2026 R2 pick
• Campbell Chesser has been traded to Carlton for Pick 41
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle, Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Coen Livingstone joins the list of players not offered a new contract

Players Out of Contract - 2025 (0)

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• Jamie Cripps and Malakai Champion seem to have been offered new contracts despite there being no official announcement. Means that all players out of contract for 2025 have been given new contracts despite or removed from the playing list

2025 Draft Order

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Current Draft Picks:
Round 1: 1, 2, 13
Round 2: 34, 41
Round 3: 53, 58 (These picks are in excess of available list spots so will be forfeited if we don’t consolidate our 2025 picks up the order or trade some for future picks)

List Spots Available (39 of 48):
• Main list (33 of 38) - 5* (in: Starcevich, Young out: Allen, Ryan, Chesser, Hunt, Petruccelle, Jamieson)
• Cat A rookie list (5 of 8) - 3* (in: Robertson (pending), out: Rawlinson)
• Cat B rookie list (1 of 2) - 2 (out: Livingstone)

* Based on Dewar being upgraded after the maximum 3 years on the rookie list. Hutchinson may also have been upgraded but this isn’t confirmed - if it is we will have 4 main and 4 rookie list spots open

* Matthew Clarke has stated we have 5 main list spots

Matt Clarke wraps up the trade period - 6PR

 

[Obeanie1]

The very same people will want Essendon to give us 5,6 for 1 or we have been shafted.

And also would have been complaining that pick 22 was worth nothing and will be 30 after academies and compo in a weak draft.

And ignore the fact that 33 and 52 will probably come in heavily on draft night with so many picks ahead of them packaged to match bids.

5 plus 6 for pick 1 is what we should get.

That's been explained several times.

That value was set in our 2022 trade with pick 2 landing 9 and 14.

We shouldn't need to give anything else up.

 

[FKASC]

McVee went backwards this year. He's a soft player, so he will fit right in at Fremantle.

Yeah I rated him highly based on 2023-24 but he looked pretty bad this year. In a strong team he can develop but don’t think he succeeds in a developing side.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

I would rather Mcvee than starcevich personally. Once again we've paid more than we should.

Well McVee nominated Freo so it doesn't really matter. Also, isn't McVee the type of half back flanker that everybody complains we have to many of on our list?

 

[eagles rule]

Why not at 1? Really make them pay up.

If we did go down that path Pick 1 would be where I’d bid and if that was not matched , we could still take our First choice player with Pick 2 ..

 

[Altum Volantes]

You right mate? Don't think you're going to pass any "Are you a robot" Captcha tests with that attitude.

Haha New phone!

You should see my screenshots.

 

[Obeanie1]

It's all relative right. The reigning premieres paid nothing for Oscar Allen and Draper. The wooden spooners paid 22 for Starcevich.

At the end of the day it is what it is, we didn't get fleeced but due to circumstances we walk away paying a fair price for a free agent when other clubs such as the reigning premiers pay nothing

Relative to what?

We got Starc for a 10 pick down grade in the 2nd round.

THATs what Starcevich cost. A pick downgrade. 23 to 33.

And also got pick 52 to trade or to match a bid or use.

So it didn't cost pick 23 to land him did it.

 

[FKASC]

Even though the deal is complex, the deal ultimately boils down to whether you think getting Starcevich is worth giving up pick 22.

yeah I guess my point is that pick 22 this year might not be the same as pick 22 in most other years. We have these preconceptions of inherent value of pick X but maybe we need to put them aside this year.

 

[Hasselhough]

Considering Flanders and McVee have been valued at pick 7 and 23 - I think it gives an indication of the worth of draft picks this year. Would be worth closer to 20 and 40 in a normal draft imo

Suggests 22 for Starcevich isn’t so bad

What is ryan worth then ?

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I’m hoping the Starcevich deal is more front ended. AFL give the most relief outside salary cap in year 1 then it diminishes. My concern on concussion somewhat helped by virtue it is 4 plus triggers

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Unless you are sitting in the room when the negotiation takes place, how would you know this ?

Right, so you think while the Eagles and Lions were discussing OA and Starce trades, that this was never brought up? I know Clarke is incompetent, but I find it hard to believe that this was never mentioned.

 

[Hasselhough]

Rookie list should be scrapped - it’s an irrelevance now and has been for some time

Why ? Its great to have the one year option instead of the minimum 2 in the national draft

 

[Hasselhough]

Relative to what?

We got Starc for a 10 pick down grade in the 2nd round.

THATs what Starcevich cost. A pick downgrade. 23 to 33.

And also got pick 52 to trade or to match a bid or use.

So it didn't cost pick 23 to land him did it.

Wait it was apparently pick 23 on points . Where is this downgrade shit coming from .

23 for starcivich

16 + 22 for 12 + 33 + 52

 

[new breed]

Pick 33 might be needed for T Williams NGA

Pick 52 for T Young from Richmond .

 

[Keys]

Why ? Its great to have the one year option instead of the minimum 2 in the national draft

Make it a one year deal if drafted in R4 or later then

There’s no practical distinction between the main and rookie lists so why keep it

 

[larrikin]

Rookie list should be scrapped - it’s an irrelevance now and has been for some time

It's a good point. It really serves no meaningful function any more, other than these mechanics and splitting up the draft. The Cat B's have effectively become the rookie list and even then there is so few limitations once someone is on that list - at least there is a different qualification criteria and it is giving players an opportunity who otherwise may not get it.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

2 year contract for all ND draftees should stay. Will only backfire if a late pick fires and wants to leave within a year.

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Make it a one year deal if drafted in R4 or later then

There’s no practical distinction between the main and rookie lists so why keep it

Exactly - we already have first round picks on the main list with 3 year contracts alongside the regular 2 years

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

2 year contract for all ND draftees should stay. Will only backfire if a late pick fires and wants to leave within a year.

A once in a billion year occurrence?

 

[larrikin]

Right, so you think while the Eagles and Lions were discussing OA and Starce trades, that this was never brought up? I know Clarke is incompetent, but I find it hard to believe that this was never mentioned.

Do you?

It's been a big couple of days but even these throw away lines I really find frustrating.

 

[Broken_Chairs]

A once in a billion year occurrence?

Also no difference to a rookie firing first year (e.g. McCarthy) and wanting to leave (thankfully not McCarthy)

 

[ThePuma #9]

Relative to what?

We got Starc for a 10 pick down grade in the 2nd round.

THATs what Starcevich cost. A pick downgrade. 23 to 33.

And also got pick 52 to trade or to match a bid or use.

So it didn't cost pick 23 to land him did it.

The way i'm breaking the trade down is

Pick 22
for
Starcevich & Dev (assuming they delist him)


Picks 16 and 23 (1577 points)
for
Picks 12, 33 & 52 (1564 points)



Once the picks slide due to Oscar we lose 32 points but

move up from 17 to 13
move down from 24 to 34
Gain an extra pick 53

When you look at it like this it was a very good deal for the club.

 

[Weshi]

Also about 80% of the Morton comparison comes from squashface saying the Duursma family remind him of the Mortons; a bit overrated due to being a group - kinda like the Cheerleader Effect from HIMYM.

Another comparison could be the Selwood's, not the hardness bit as they were all tough. The first 3 were all just good honest battlers and the 4th turned out to be the pick of the crop.

 

[Obeanie1]

Hang on

So we gave up 19 and around 22 for 12. We paid overs. Way overs

 

[archiemoses]

If the Lions were threatening band 2 compo for Oscar and requesting a pick for Dev BUT will now provide Band 1 compo and release Dev as DFA then I can live with the trade.

I still believe the Band 2 threat was an empty one and I dont believe Matt Clarke delivered value in the trade result but simply protected it.

Given what dockers gave for McVee id rather Starcevich for the same capital.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Another comparison could be the Selwood's, not the hardness bit as they were all tough. The first 3 were all just good honest battlers and the 4th turned out to be the pick of the crop.

Scott would be flattered to be considered the cream of the crop but I think Joel probably had him beat.