List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 3

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List Changes - 2025

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In:

• Brandon Starcevich arrives at West Coast in a three team deal
• Tylar Young (Richmond) arrived at West Coast in exchange for Pick 38.
• Deven Robertson (Brisbane) has agreed to join West Coast and will be signed on to the rookie list after being delisted by Brisbane

Out:

• Oscar Allen joins Brisbane as a FA - West Coast receive Pick 2 as compensation
• Liam Ryan and a 2027 R3 pick has been traded to St Kilda for a 2026 R2 pick
• Campbell Chesser has been traded to Carlton for Pick 41
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle, Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Coen Livingstone joins the list of players not offered a new contract

Players Out of Contract - 2025 (0)

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• Jamie Cripps and Malakai Champion seem to have been offered new contracts despite there being no official announcement. Means that all players out of contract for 2025 have been given new contracts despite or removed from the playing list

2025 Draft Order

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Current Draft Picks:
Round 1: 1, 2, 13
Round 2: 34, 41
Round 3: 53, 58 (These picks are in excess of available list spots so will be forfeited if we don’t consolidate our 2025 picks up the order or trade some for future picks)

List Spots Available (39 of 48):
• Main list (33 of 38) - 5* (in: Starcevich, Young out: Allen, Ryan, Chesser, Hunt, Petruccelle, Jamieson)
• Cat A rookie list (5 of 8) - 3* (in: Robertson (pending), out: Rawlinson)
• Cat B rookie list (1 of 2) - 2 (out: Livingstone)

* Based on Dewar being upgraded after the maximum 3 years on the rookie list. Hutchinson may also have been upgraded but this isn’t confirmed - if it is we will have 4 main and 4 rookie list spots open

* Matthew Clarke has stated we have 5 main list spots

Matt Clarke wraps up the trade period - 6PR

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Surely we are not trading 33 for T.Young.

That's a pick in the 50s if ever I've seen one.
If Tigers disagree, take it to last day of trade. Get some balls Clarke and stop looking after your old club.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

The inclusion of pick 22 has swung this from a great result to a poor result for mine.

On paper it looks alright: upgrading pick 16 to pick 12 in exchange for downgrading 23 to 33 is a fair trade in isolation. Which means we’ve given up pick 22 to bring in Starcevich and pick 52. Again, probably fair on paper.

But it just feels like we’ve tried to be the nice guys again rather than try to press any leverage we might have had.

And that’s without raising any questions about Starcevich, like do we really need him, and how long will he last before he gets one head knock too many?

Anyway, see what the rest of the trade period brings but for the moment I’ve got one foot in the unhappy camp.

 

[TerryFilk]

Duursma lovers have such a hardon that they rate him somehow on the same realm as JHF and Harley.

Duursma may be pick 1 in this draft. But let's not overrate him. Hes alright

Haven’t seen any Duursma lovers suggest this.

As the #1 Willem Duursma lover, I’ve just said he’s clearly the best player in this pool and is perfect for what we need in the long term, I don’t think you’re comprehending how insane it is that he’s 193CM and moves like he does, is as athletic as he is and actually likes contact + can play in every area of the ground at a high level.

He has had a stellar junior career, probably the best resume in this draft behind only Sharp.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

No, you do a draft order, and stick to it though the first 10 picks at least, possibly longer.

Your approach to drafting is how blokes like Andrew McGrath go at pick 1 in front of Mcluggage or Taranto.

At pick 5 if consider Farrow, Grlj or Lindsay ahead of Sharp, personally.

But I’ve never rated Sharp (who is a divisive pick among draft watchers and recruiters).

Lindsay isn't a mid. Half back
Farrow half back
Grjl maybe a mid, likely a wing.

Here you are rating 2 of these three higher than sharp yet, there isn't a draft prediction by anyone that has Lindsay or farrow ahead of sharp.

So you've reached based on what. Like I said I'm glad your not the recruiter.

 

[Scotland]

To whinge, moan and shit on the club no matter what mate.
That's what they want.

Or they want the club to show some backbone.

We had picks 1, 16, 22, 23. We now have picks 1 and 12 and a free agent with serious concussion concerns. We may get pick 2 for Allen, but it remains to be seen. If it's band 2 compo and we push ahead with the Bris/Freo trade then what?

What are we getting for Ryan? What are we getting for Chesser? Not much I would imagine. Time will tell. What will we pay for Young and Robertson? Talk of 33 for Young. Madness. No other club would offer near that. Neal-Bullen under contract went for 28.

Can anyone keep a straight face and suggest that Starcevich is worth pick 18 to Geelong? Of course not. Even with no "PSD or GTFO" threat they would stand their ground, see how FA pans out and then go from there. That's a key reason they are where they are and we are where we are.

I grew up not really caring about WC list management. As a fan I always hated it when players I liked were traded or delisted but at the end of the day the club played finals for 7 years after the first flag, then for 6 years after the Judge years, then 8 years of the 2010s. It's been years since I had confidence the club actually knows what it's doing. Can't believe some people are high fiving like today's trade is good.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

So we'll have 1, 2, 12 (13), 33 (34), 37 (38), 50 (51) and 57 (58).
Only way we can salvage this trade period is if we can manufacture another decent pick with the later picks.
We're likely to only draft 4 players + match bids for Banfield and/or Williams if they happen.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Just out of interest, why's that mate?

I think in terms of his role (lockdown defender) he's in the top handful in the league.

A few things.

He is a good footballer but not the highest area of need. I would have preferred to spend pick 23 on a ruck that would give service to our midfield.

I think Lions are doing what Hawks and Lions did - selling out role players after a couple of flags. He looks good with the Lions midfield pressure is on the ball and he has the likes of Harris Andrew intercepting around him.

The concussion worries me.

Not a bad player to get, just not ticking my highest need as it stands. Not throw the toys out, and any difference is probably noise.

 

[TerryFilk]

The inclusion of pick 22 has swung this from a great result to a poor result for mine.

On paper it looks alright: upgrading pick 16 to pick 12 in exchange for downgrading 23 to 33 is a fair trade in isolation. Which means we’ve given up pick 22 to bring in Starcevich and pick 52. Again, probably fair on paper.

But it just feels like we’ve tried to be the nice guys again rather than try to press any leverage we might have had.

And that’s without raising any questions about Starcevich, like do we really need him, and how long will he last before he gets one head knock too many?

Anyway, see what the rest of the trade period brings but for the moment I’ve got one foot in the unhappy camp.

It’s a fine deal at best, the thing that annoys me is it’s yet another deal where we’ve made sure the other teams involved get to achieve their goals from the trade and we’re left just going yeah that’s okay.

 

[eaglevision]

Would be ideal, but I don’t think Carlton would include 41 there and they will want a F1, not to downgrade their pick and make it harder to get one.

They also have Chesser and Ainsworth to get in as well as Ison and Dean bids to match. GCS showed us to perfection what a slow slide looks like in 2023.

 

[Quinten Kennedy]

What has Clarke done wrong here?

Failed to massively ream everyone.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

Wait a minute, we are also giving up pick 22???
This is a ****ing disaster if that's the case.

If the trade didn’t include pick 22 then it was pretty much dead even in points, which was obviously not going to be the deal since we were also acquiring a player. When you include pick 22 we lost the points portion of the trade by 699 points - which is almost exactly the value of pick 22, which is the pick that everyone already assumed was going to be sent to Brisbane for Starcevich!

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Give me a spell.

I really don’t understand the concern by this board. We get a borderline AA defender. An upgrade on a pick to help ourselves with the minimal top line talent that is in this draft along with picks to match bids on our NGAs and Banfield and trade in Young.

What has Clarke done wrong here?

Nothing. The key here is to now cover off potential NGA bids and secure fair compensation for Chesser and Ryan.

To ease everyone’s suffering
Probably saved a couple marriages and a heart attack for WC members

To prevent a repeat of the Baker / Barrass deals.

 

[Smotie2]

What's everyone thoughts on the eagles reportedly talking to schoenberg and finn McRae delisted from Adelaide and Collingwood respectively?

Psd probably and a move to bolster the midfield.

 

[timeforanother22]

I am underwhelmed by the trade and underwhelmed by the lack of reaction to it.

C-

 

[Eastern Rangers]

If the trade didn’t include pick 22 then it was pretty much dead even in points, which was obviously not going to be the deal since we were also acquiring a player. When you include pick 22 we lost the points portion of the trade by 699 points - which is almost exactly the value of pick 22, which is the pick that everyone already assumed was going to be sent to Brisbane for Starcevich!

And points are still over rated. Pick 12 will be in a sweet spot in this draft.

 

[boondy]

Best post in the thread, reckon you're on the money here.

That guy hasnt read we threw in 22 and 23

 

[illegaleagle]

Haven’t seen any Duursma lovers suggest this.

As the #1 Willem Duursma lover, I’ve just said he’s clearly the best player in this pool and is perfect for what we need in the long term, I don’t think you’re comprehending how insane it is that he’s 193CM and moves like he does, is as athletic as he is and actually likes contact + can play in every area of the ground at a high level.

He has had a stellar junior career, probably the best resume in this draft behind only Sharp.

Would you say he’s un-Durrsma like in the way he plays then compared to the 2 bros

 

[amazingjoshy]

The inclusion of pick 22 has swung this from a great result to a poor result for mine.

On paper it looks alright: upgrading pick 16 to pick 12 in exchange for downgrading 23 to 33 is a fair trade in isolation. Which means we’ve given up pick 22 to bring in Starcevich and pick 52. Again, probably fair on paper.

But it just feels like we’ve tried to be the nice guys again rather than try to press any leverage we might have had.

And that’s without raising any questions about Starcevich, like do we really need him, and how long will he last before he gets one head knock too many?

Anyway, see what the rest of the trade period brings but for the moment I’ve got one foot in the unhappy camp.

So then we effectively gave up our free priority pick for Starcevich and pick 52?

Thats a better result than if the Afl had allowed us to bring in FA with the compo exemption that so many wanted

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Lindsay isn't a mid. Half back
Farrow half back
Grjl maybe a mid, likely a wing.

Here you are rating 2 of these three higher than sharp yet, there isn't a draft prediction by anyone that has Lindsay or farrow ahead of sharp.

So you've reached based on what. Like I said I'm glad your not the recruiter.

You’re the one who conditioned the pick based on them being a mid.

I dint subscribe to such a prescriptive view.

Farrow and Grlj are bolting based off combination of results in back end of the season and combine results, while sharp is sliding.

when EV was lauding sharp as the nominal number 1 pick back in April, I was able to see pretty clearly that he would slide.

And I think at least one, possibly both farrow and Grlj will likely be off the board before sharp on draft night.

Happy to revisit this on draft night if you’d like?

 

[Broken_Chairs]

I think this trade says pretty clearly that we don't rate pick 16+ in this draft.

Happy to move up and (perhaps split 1 or 2) so we can pick over the best talent & **** off early in the night.

 

[TerryFilk]

Would you say he’s un-Durrsma like in the way he plays then compared to the 2 bros

Yes

Xavier was always strictly an outside guy who was a great runner capable of hitting the scoreboard

Zane was such an obvious tweener, relies heavily on unsustainable flashy marking. I have no idea why he went as high as he did, his Coates League numbers were great but it was so obvious he wasn’t ever going into the middle at the next level. Still has plenty of time to turn it around but don’t think he’ll ever live up to being a top 4-5 pick

Willem’s different to them because he thrives in the contest both at stoppages and aerially, he’s defensively accountable whilst also being an incredible offensive weapon no matter where you put him. He’s a great mark and a good ball user, sometimes his kicks can drop 1-2 metres shot but his technique is great.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

What's everyone thoughts on the eagles reportedly talking to schoenberg and finn McRae delisted from Adelaide and Collingwood respectively?

Psd probably and a move to bolster the midfield.

More likely to be taken with the extra rookie spots we were given IMO.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

What's everyone thoughts on the eagles reportedly talking to schoenberg and finn McRae delisted from Adelaide and Collingwood respectively?

Psd probably and a move to bolster the midfield.

Probably fine if we only consider them after the draft, and seeing if all 4 NGA/FS occupy the extra rookie list spots, or if we have to match a bid on any of them and they end up going on the main list, meaning there will be rookie list spots still available.
With 3 players leaving and 3 players being added, we'll only have 4 main list spots free at the draft.
As it stands, we probably still need to delist a few more players to make room for potential bids, which is uncertain but we need to be prepared for.

 

[Tugga27]

In the “trade” not talking about the contract, if he gets knocked out in round 1 that trade is an abomination.

Of course it will.

But we don't have any idea if there's triggers for later years.

Hell, we don't much about the contract at all at the minute.

 

[bombard]

You have gained a quality defender and moved up the draft order. Lions got a few hundred more points of draft capital . I think it's a win win. Dev will be your real trade bargain. Hard at it extractor who will free up Harley to show his stuff. Both players are experienced in our system and have winning pedigrees. All the best

We are also swapping you into the board in exchange for sending briztoon back to yours as part of the trade.

Welcome to our community brother. Pick yourself out a jumper number and board nickname.