List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 3

[Keys]

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List Changes - 2025

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In:

• Brandon Starcevich arrives at West Coast in a three team deal
• Tylar Young (Richmond) arrived at West Coast in exchange for Pick 38.
• Deven Robertson (Brisbane) has agreed to join West Coast and will be signed on to the rookie list after being delisted by Brisbane

Out:

• Oscar Allen joins Brisbane as a FA - West Coast receive Pick 2 as compensation
• Liam Ryan and a 2027 R3 pick has been traded to St Kilda for a 2026 R2 pick
• Campbell Chesser has been traded to Carlton for Pick 41
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle, Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Coen Livingstone joins the list of players not offered a new contract

Players Out of Contract - 2025 (0)

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• Jamie Cripps and Malakai Champion seem to have been offered new contracts despite there being no official announcement. Means that all players out of contract for 2025 have been given new contracts despite or removed from the playing list

2025 Draft Order

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Current Draft Picks:
Round 1: 1, 2, 13
Round 2: 34, 41
Round 3: 53, 58 (These picks are in excess of available list spots so will be forfeited if we don’t consolidate our 2025 picks up the order or trade some for future picks)

List Spots Available (39 of 48):
• Main list (33 of 38) - 5* (in: Starcevich, Young out: Allen, Ryan, Chesser, Hunt, Petruccelle, Jamieson)
• Cat A rookie list (5 of 8) - 3* (in: Robertson (pending), out: Rawlinson)
• Cat B rookie list (1 of 2) - 2 (out: Livingstone)

* Based on Dewar being upgraded after the maximum 3 years on the rookie list. Hutchinson may also have been upgraded but this isn’t confirmed - if it is we will have 4 main and 4 rookie list spots open

* Matthew Clarke has stated we have 5 main list spots

Matt Clarke wraps up the trade period - 6PR

 

[Keys]

I did. Huge difference Rampe and Lolyd are being consiidered not being in top 25 where Cripps is.
There are worse players on our list to rookie and or delist rather than Cripps. Livingston, Barnett, Cole Bazzo and Johnson just to name a few.

Cripps would be the least likely to be poached. Cole would definitely have interest from other clubs if they could get him for free

Livingstone is already on the Cat B rookie list so delisting him has no bearing on main list spots. He may be delisted anyway though because his spot might be better filled with a mature aged rookie

The others you’ve named are all young and would become unrestricted free agents for life if delisted meaning they could walk to any club without us being able to force a trade if they do come good

 

[Mr Q]

I did. Huge difference Rampe and Lolyd are being consiidered not being in top 25 where Cripps is.

If you Jamie Cripps would be offended by that, it would be serious snowflake territory. He knows he's in the last year of two of a career, and that to play on, there are things that have to happen.

It's list management. No one is going to snatch these players from under their existing clubs (the players just say it's either this, or retire and the other clubs don't waste a list spot on it). If we need the main list spot Cripps is taking, then we have to make that decision. It's the lowest risk decision.

 

[squashface]

Absolutely we should be delisting Cripps and redrafting him as a rookie.

But I suspect he has been one of those quiet but not announced extensions and it probably happened months ago.

 

[Keys]

Absolutely we should be delisting Cripps and redrafting him as a rookie.

But I suspect he has been one of those quiet but not announced extensions and it probably happened months ago.

We can still delist him though

That article on the Swans states that Rampe and Lloyd have both signed new contracts for 2026

So it’s possible with Cripps even if he has already signed

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I did. Huge difference Rampe and Lolyd are being consiidered not being in top 25 where Cripps is.
There are worse players on our list to rookie and or delist rather than Cripps. Livingston, Barnett, Cole Bazzo and Johnson just to name a few.

There is no difference. It's purely a list management move. They still get the same money they would otherwise get.

If Cripps gets upset at such a move, after 270+ games, and at 33, then he can be on neither list. He won't though cause he knows the game.

You can't just delist Barnett, Cole and Bazzo and move them to the rookie list, as they are all under contract still. It needs to be someone who is off contract!

 

[Keys]

There is no difference. It's purely a list management move. They still get the same money they would otherwise get.

If Cripps gets upset at such a move, after 270+ games, and at 33, then he can be on neither list. He won't though cause he knows the game.

You can't just delist Barnett, Cole and Bazzo and move them to the rookie list, as they are all under contract still. It needs to be someone who is off contract!

I agree with what you’re saying overall but clubs can, and do, delist contracted players and redraft them as rookies

 

[Deepthroat]

Matthew Clarke should be taking notes

This is exactly what we should be doing with Jamie Cripps. I have no issue with him playing on even though i suspect at the end of next year the feeling will be he played one year too many

But to not open an extra main list spot to give us extra draft flexibility feels negligent. I don’t even mind if we don’t use the final pick on draft night but it would sure be nice to have in our back pocket

Having 6 spots would enable to add all of Williams, Banfield and Evans or use a 4th live pick and still have room for Williams and Banfield

With 5 picks we would be unable to match an Evans bid or potentially miss out on one of Williams or Banfield if we use a 4th live pick - there’s some handy players around where pick 34 likely falls

Missing out on Banfield or being reluctant to use a 4th live pick simply because we didn’t want to move Cripps to the rookie list just seems dumb

If this doesn't happen, I would be considering it the first mis-step of the offseason.

This should have been announced a week ago...

 

[twce13]

There is no difference. It's purely a list management move. They still get the same money they would otherwise get.

If Cripps gets upset at such a move, after 270+ games, and at 33, then he can be on neither list. He won't though cause he knows the game.

You can't just delist Barnett, Cole and Bazzo and move them to the rookie list, as they are all under contract still. It needs to be someone who is off contract!

clubs do it all the time. we have to.

 

[FatPizza]

If this doesn't happen, I would be considering it the first mis-step of the offseason.

This should have been announced a week ago...

Sydney only announced their changes today. If it gets to Thursday and we don't hear anything then yeah, I'd understand getting a little antsy.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Put together the following list of DFAs we either already have or could/should talk to as potential rookie list additions in order from oldest to youngest:

19/11/92- David Swallow (185cm, 249 games)
31/05/93- Tom Mitchell (182cm, 207 games)
21/02/01- Harry Schoenberg (180cm, 62 games)
01/05/01- Tom Berry (185cm, 43 games)
13/03/02- Fin Macrae (186cm, 21 games)
25/04/02- Elijah Hollands (189cm, 41 games)
22/05/02- Will Phillips (180cm, 50 games)
16/09/03- Ben Hobbs (183cm, 65 games)
06/09/04- Ted Clohesy (184cm, 12 games)
29/10/04- Jaxon Binns (183cm, 8 games)
28/03/05- Luamon Lual (181cm, 12 games)
26/10/05- Oskar Smartt (180cm, 4 games)

As you’d expect from a group of delisted players, it’s not a particularly inspiring list but when you’re looking to fill the final few spots on an extended list of 48 that’s what’s going to be left

With Robertson already guaranteed a contract, we have a total of 8 list spots to fill which could become 9 if Livingstone doesn’t get extended next week.

With our first 3-4 draft picks plus NGA and F/S additions 6-7 of those vacant spots will be filled across the primary and rookie drafts - which will leave two spots to be filled post draft via a train on process from the DFA pile or possibly mature aged state league players.

From that list, Hollands has the highest probability of becoming a regular AFL player and at 23 is in the right age demographic. Unfortunately he comes with significant off field baggage that saw Carlton delist him with a year remaining on his contract. He also seems determined to set things right with Carlton and will be granted a train on spot to earn back lost trust. So I don’t think he’ll be someone the club considers

Lual and Clohesy are at the younger end of the list but probably also gives them the highest scope for improvement. We’ve already reportedly approached Clohesy but I’m unaware if we’ve reached out to Lual who I must say seemed a bit of a surprise delisting. Binns and Smartt I don’t know much about although I think eaglespremiers is a Smartt fan and I value his judgment

The group in the middle of Berry, Schoenberg, Macrae, Phillips and Hobbs have shown themselves to be fringe AFL players only with limitations to their respective games. It’s unlikely any of them will suddenly transform themselves into regular best 23 players but they would each provide a mature body to help the WAFL side and competition for a place in the seniors. They’ve all at least shown a capacity to contribute at AFL level

Leaves Tom Mitchell (forget Swallow he’s proper cooked and about to turn 33). My first, and probably correct, thought was he’s too slow, a bit too old, a bit too injury prone and the type of player that doesn’t fit either McQualter’s game plan or, more broadly, the direction the game is moving in. We didn’t consider Jack Steele as an option for what I suspect were similar reasons

But after listening to his interview on SEN with Gossage my views changed a bit. Clearly he’s motivated to prove he still can play at AFL level so you’re going to get someone who’s totally committed and he’s set high standards across his career. He’s played at three successful clubs (although Hawthorn struggled a bit during his time there) and won himself a Brownlow along the way

Having an experienced player like Mitchell at the coalface giving support to our young mids at the Beagles would instantly make that side more competitive. As well as being a virtual onfield assistant coach giving them direction and education. His presence around the club with training standards and leadership would be invaluable

We would be giving a list spot to someone who’s probably not going to be playing much at AFL level and who’s best football is clearly behind him. But if we bring him across on the understanding that opportunities at AFL level will be limited then he’s worth considering at least. I think he’d offer more as an overall package than those other mid aged players

If we brought in Mitchell and Clohesy or Lual I wouldn’t be unhappy

Nice summary - thanks

Here are my wants

13/03/02- Fin Macrae (186cm, 21 games)
22/05/02- Will Phillips (180cm, 50 games)
06/09/04- Ted Clohesy (184cm, 12 games)

I’d also add in Stumpf - 196cm, 23-11-2006, KPD with real upside

 

[Mr Q]

We can still delist him though

That article on the Swans states that Rampe and Lloyd have both signed new contracts for 2026

So it’s possible with Cripps even if he has already signed

One thing I can't work out is whether, if you delist a player (ie Cripps), and commit to bringing them back in, if you can use the SSP to do so (rather than the rookie draft) even if they don't nominate for the draft. If you can do that, it derisks the process.

The AFL's rules state you either have to have been previously delisted OR have nominated for the last draft. If that's entirely accurate, the logical way to bring a player back on the rookie list would be the SSP.

With Cripps, I'd delist and redraft as a rookie to get a spot free in the main draft for possible bid matching, but if that spot is not required on the night, promote one of the existing rookies into that spot (probably Hutchinson given his contract, but possibly McCarthy).

The reality for Cripps is that he isn't going to be around when the AFL take back those extra rookie spots in a couple of years, so he's ideal for it.

 

[Farmer Lister]

Maybe to the casual. I’d argue of our 100,000 members you’d easily find a few hundred interested in the nitty gritty. How many people have posted in this thread alone?

People are engaged in wanting the club to get better, so as such many of us have an interest in the mechanisms and decisions that decide that fate.

I was chatting to a shop owner the other day and it turned out we were both Eagles fans. He was lamenting Chessers departure. Maybe 70 or 80 years old he still knew what was going on you might be surprised

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I was chatting to a shop owner the other day and it turned out we were both Eagles fans. He was lamenting Chessers departure. Maybe 70 or 80 years old he still knew what was going on you might be surprised

Well not really surprised cos Keys is pretty switched on too.

 

[tigger_ferret]

Cripps on 1 year deal vs pick 53 on 2 years.

I’d probably stay with Cripps.
I get we may miss out on an NGA kid, but if they are rated that low I don’t think we are actually missing much.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

One thing I can't work out is whether, if you delist a player (ie Cripps), and commit to bringing them back in, if you can use the SSP to do so (rather than the rookie draft) even if they don't nominate for the draft. If you can do that, it derisks the process.

The AFL's rules state you either have to have been previously delisted OR have nominated for the last draft. If that's entirely accurate, the logical way to bring a player back on the rookie list would be the SSP.

I think there must be a rule that you can’t delist your own player then sign them in the SSP, without them having gone through the draft. Otherwise everyone would just do that.

The rookie drafts lately have been filled with players who’ve been demoted - eg last year there was Pink, Schoenberg, Crouch, Markov, Keeffe, Joyce in the first round alone. Plus Knobel who would have been redrafted by Freo had Gold Coast not pinched him.

Meanwhile, the only player I can think of that signed as an SSP with the same club was Matt Carroll (Carlton), and he was brought back as a train-on player and eventually given one of the last spots, so I assume he had nominated for the drafts but been overlooked.

 

[Elite Pete]

Cripps on 1 year deal vs pick 53 on 2 years.

I’d probably stay with Cripps.
I get we may miss out on an NGA kid, but if they are rated that low I don’t think we are actually missing much.

But you can have both is the point?

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

If the only reason we are not putting Cripps on the rookie list is because we don't want to upset Cripps then we really need to have a good hard look at ourselves and how we are running the club. Nothing against Cripps. He has been a great servant for the club. But the club comes first before anybody's feelings. You just bottom line it for him and tell him it's either this and you get an extra year or two out of your career or you can retire now because we need the list spot. I am pretty sure he will get over his hurt feelings pretty quickly and get onboard with the plan to get the extra year or two.

 

[bzparkes]

If the only reason we are not putting Cripps on the rookie list is because we don't want to upset Cripps then we really need to have a good hard look at ourselves and how we are running the club. Nothing against Cripps. He has been a great servant for the club. But the club comes first before anybody's feelings. You just bottom line it for him and tell him it's either this and you get an extra year or two out of your career or you can retire now because we need the list spot. I am pretty sure he will get over his hurt feelings pretty quickly and get onboard with the plan to get the extra year or two.

1 random poster has suggested it.

Him being 'offended' is a ridiculous idea to begin with and one that wouldn't impact the club's decision making.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

If the only reason we are not putting Cripps on the rookie list is because we don't want to upset Cripps then we really need to have a good hard look at ourselves and how we are running the club.

It’s one random poster on here saying it’s disrespectful. There’s nothing from the club about what they’re doing with Cripps or why.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Glandular fever absolutely floored him early in his career. Maybe missed a bit of development and always playing catch up.

Well if you count that and Covid impacted u18 year. He's missed a fair chunk of development

 

[Mop]

I was chatting to a shop owner the other day and it turned out we were both Eagles fans. He was lamenting Chessers departure. Maybe 70 or 80 years old he still knew what was going on you might be surprised

Someone I work with - great guy, unassuming type - had a long WAFL career and played a few games for Hawthorn in the 80s. Looking at him you'd probably not expect it.

Superb football brain.

The point here is us nuffies are everywhere, in our wet sheet filled caves.

 

[tigger_ferret]

But you can have both is the point?

Yeah, I probably didn’t say it clearly. I don’t really think you are missing much by not having both, or the slight extra flexibility for an SSP, which we will already have a few.

Hasn’t it been said 45-50 live picks in this years draft.

It means you probably kicking the can down the road a little to next years draft with an additional late pick, and hope next year has a little more depth.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

I wonder if we really need Cripps to continue in any case. He has been a great player. He still works hard and has some skills. He is a pretty good set shot for goal. But he doesn't contribute much in the area where we are most in need in the forward line. We need somebody who can win the ball at ground level and snap goals, and also apply defensive pressure on the opposition to lock the ball in. Most of Cripps shots at goal come from set shots. And being over 30 he he has obviously slowed down and can't contribute much in the chasing and tackling department.

Maybe none of the young small forwards on the list are ready to make a contribution in these areas yet. I don't watch the WAFL games so i don't have an opinion on it. But as soon as they are they should replace Cripps. The list is young enough that we don't need to cut anybody purely based on age at this point. But i think we need to get a different type of small forward than Cripps into the 22 as soon as we can. The ball coming out of our forward line as easily as it does costs us goals at the other end.

 

[kane249]

I wonder if we really need Cripps to continue in any case. He has been a great player. He still works hard and has some skills. He is a pretty good set shot for goal. But he doesn't contribute much in the area where we are most in need in the forward line. We need somebody who can win the ball at ground level and snap goals, and also apply defensive pressure on the opposition to lock the ball in. Most of Cripps shots at goal come from set shots. And being over 30 he he has obviously slowed down and can't contribute much in the chasing and tackling department.

Maybe none of the young small forwards on the list are ready to make a contribution in these areas yet. I don't watch the WAFL games so i don't have an opinion on it. But as soon as they are they should replace Cripps. The list is young enough that we don't need to cut anybody purely based on age at this point. But i think we need to get a different type of small forward than Cripps into the 22 as soon as we can. The ball coming out of our forward line as easily as it does costs us goals at the other end.

After losing Ryan, having Cripps to mentor the young smalls will be great for them.

Especially when you consider the most senior players after them would be Owies and Brockman...

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Keen to make sure we don't miss out on:

• Williams
• Banfield
• Evans (less risky)

If we need to move some folk to the rookie list, just ****in' do it. It's a contrived arrangement that doesn't impact the players contract.

Cripps, Barnett, and/or Johnston are all no brainer candidates. No ones taking them.