List Mgmt. Contracts. Trades. Draft. Other Assorted Crap. 2020 Edition

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

I believe it was peter sumich who said it who was his u18s coach .
He said it after he went undrafted

Cheers for that mate, beat me to it

 

[LittleGreekGod]

Should the 17 other AFL clubs hold the West Coast Eagles to ransom?

When West Coast traded away their 2019 and 2020 first-round draft picks to secure Tim Kelly from Geelong, they potentially traded their future for…

www.theroar.com.au

What a Joke

 

[Chris_6678]

Should the 17 other AFL clubs hold the West Coast Eagles to ransom?

When West Coast traded away their 2019 and 2020 first-round draft picks to secure Tim Kelly from Geelong, they potentially traded their future for…

www.theroar.com.au

What a Joke

Pretty sure that rule was for clubs who are rubbish at list management.

 

[Rowan18]

Should the 17 other AFL clubs hold the West Coast Eagles to ransom?

When West Coast traded away their 2019 and 2020 first-round draft picks to secure Tim Kelly from Geelong, they potentially traded their future for…

www.theroar.com.au

What a Joke

Is that article even accurate? I thought the only penalty for not using the required picks is that you can't trade future picks for a draft. Then again, both Cats and Hawks technically breached previous rules and AFL gave them an exemption.

 

[Chris_6678]

Is that article even accurate? I thought the only penalty for not using the required picks is that you can't trade future picks for a draft. Then again, both Cats and Hawks technically breached previous rules and AFL gave them an exemption.

Think the AFL said it was a case by case basis.

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

Jessie Hogan says hello

yeah forgot about Hogan, but it would appear that was a good decision as well.

 

[shooshka]

Is that article even accurate? I thought the only penalty for not using the required picks is that you can't trade future picks for a draft. Then again, both Cats and Hawks technically breached previous rules and AFL gave them an exemption.

That was my understanding as well, there is no penalty as such (I.e. fine or draft penalty), just that you are severely restricted in future trading until you correct the situation.

That said, if there is a penalty it would be completely counterintuitive to slap a draft-pick based penalty on a club (we want every club to have at least 2 high picks developing, as you don't have any we are going to push you further down the order in the future...) - so it would have to be financial. Pretty sure we can afford it!

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[eagles rule]

Hope this clears up the Grey talk ..

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[RanaNaved]

How Peter Sumich played a part in Sydney Stack's AFL initiation

“The recruiters had a lot of question marks on his off-field demeanour."

www.sen.com.au

From the horse’s mouth

Suma 'forgot' to mention he lost his licence for drink driving

 

[RanaNaved]

Interestingly Suma said it would be best for him to leave WA.....I wonder why.......?

Surely training is just as easy to get to in Perth as other cities?

 

[Dark Sharks]

I'm curious, which part of the salary cap/club expenses etc etc pays for the host family setup for interstate draftees?

For example, i'm presuming it's more expensive for the club to draft Mitch O'Neil and set him up in a host family for example, than a Perth kid?

Do the Perth kids get offered the host family option? Do the draftees themselves pay for the host family/food etc out of their wage? I mean someone has to.


Wonder if this shapes our draft strategy at all, clearly it has to be factored in



Might delete my account.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Is that article even accurate? I thought the only penalty for not using the required picks is that you can't trade future picks for a draft. Then again, both Cats and Hawks technically breached previous rules and AFL gave them an exemption.

Nope, Roar gets it wrong once again.

There is no penalty... other than you can't trade your next first rounder if you haven't satisfied the criteria in the previous four years.

Trading first-round picks: Misunderstood rule explained

Marc McGowan cuts through the confusion around a complex rule

www.afl.com.au

 

[shooshka]

Nope, Roar gets it wrong once again.

There is no penalty... other than you can't trade your next first rounder if you haven't satisfied the criteria in the previous four years.

Trading first-round picks: Misunderstood rule explained

Marc McGowan cuts through the confusion around a complex rule

www.afl.com.au

But that article is also clearly incorrect:

"The Bombers have transformed themselves into a premiership threat in the past year"

 

[RanaNaved]

The guy who wrote that is a Dockers fan, so maybe wishful thinking on his behalf

 

[Keys]

I'm curious, which part of the salary cap/club expenses etc etc pays for the host family setup for interstate draftees?

For example, i'm presuming it's more expensive for the club to draft Mitch O'Neil and set him up in a host family for example, than a Perth kid?

Do the Perth kids get offered the host family option? Do the draftees themselves pay for the host family/food etc out of their wage? I mean someone has to.


Wonder if this shapes our draft strategy at all, clearly it has to be factored in



Might delete my account.

Players drafted from interstate are paid a relocation allowance plus parents travel costs based on actual costs. They also have a living allowance (a bit over $10k) to reimburse actual costs

These expenses aren’t included in the salary cap but I can’t find if they’re included in the football department cap

At a guess I’d say the host family get the living allowance and that the costs are outside the football department spending cap

Anytime I’ve heard someone from the club talk about drafting players from outside WA they’ve said it isn’t a factor unless they’re deciding between two equally rated kids

Nothing in our draft history suggests we deliberately avoid players from outside WA

 

[DanWCE]

I'm curious, which part of the salary cap/club expenses etc etc pays for the host family setup for interstate draftees?

For example, i'm presuming it's more expensive for the club to draft Mitch O'Neil and set him up in a host family for example, than a Perth kid?

Do the Perth kids get offered the host family option? Do the draftees themselves pay for the host family/food etc out of their wage? I mean someone has to.


Wonder if this shapes our draft strategy at all, clearly it has to be factored in



Might delete my account.

So Mitch O'Neill is moving back to Tas because he's been eating too much food and the club can't afford it? Is that the rumour?

 

[Matera92]

So Mitch O'Neill is moving back to Tas because he's been eating too much food and the club can't afford it? Is that the rumour?

He was seen causing a ruckus in the Death Star Canteen.

 

[Keys]

Should the 17 other AFL clubs hold the West Coast Eagles to ransom?

When West Coast traded away their 2019 and 2020 first-round draft picks to secure Tim Kelly from Geelong, they potentially traded their future for…

www.theroar.com.au

What a Joke

The Roar publishes articles from a very broad range of people so there will be stuff that’s kinda stupid if it’s not written by one of their staff writers

This comment by Josh Elliot who’s a regular writer for the Roar is a pretty accurate summation

My understanding of these rules is that they only pertain to whether or not a club is allowed to trade their future picks, ie, if you haven’t used at least two first rounders in the last four years, you’re not allowed to then trade your future selections.

Even then the AFL will grant exceptions if clubs apply for them, and WCE, being a well-run and generally successful club, would almost certainly get one of they asked, I suspect.

Of course, this is only my understanding on the rules – the AFL has never really offered a great deal of clarity about how they work. At any rate, I doubt WCE would get into any kind of serious trouble.

If nothing else they could make the argument that they may not have used a first rounder in the 2019 draft, but did use four second-rounders, which should be considered more than equivalent.

 

[amazingjoshy]

The Roar publishes articles from a very broad range of people so there will be stuff that’s kinda stupid if it’s not written by one of their staff writers

This comment by Josh Elliot who’s a regular writer for the Roar is a pretty accurate summation

There is no punishment, just restrictions on trading first rounders. The author didn't even read his own link to the regulations...

Future trading given go-ahead but with restrictions

Clubs given ability to put future draft picks on trade table

www.afl.com.au

- Clubs must make at least two first-round selections in each four-year period. If they don't, they will face restrictions from trading any further first-round draft picks.

 

[RanaNaved]

Yeah that was a terrible article top to bottom

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

I think Sumich also said the so called "issues" with Stack were exaggerated as he said there was a minor problem with being late to training but that was it and was also understandable given his personal situation at the time.

Nah the players in the u18s WA team and many of the support staff thought that stacks position should go to someone else who was more committed to the team . So many very dedicated kids miss out .
Sumich overruled them and stack played for what ever reason . Prrobably due to his talent. More than just missing or being late to training

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Whilst having one of the older lists on average we have 24 players 24 years or younger .
This includes barrass rioli ryan sheed duggan and cole .

Then you have the young developing talls in allen brander williams rotham edwards and jamerson.

We have hardly neglected our list in the way of the next generation.

It would be nice to have another young gun mid on our list but they would seriously struggle to get game time atm

 

[Yoey]

Don't worry about our list yumumluv, its pretty well the best we've had on paper. Its all mental now, hope our psych's have their acts together.

 

[Cuzz09]

Agree.

Need the hunger from rd1 til October

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[FKASC]

McGovern has the hunger all year round