Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 4.

[Del165198]

The issue of childhood vaccines is not directly relevant and is too large a spread of topic to unpack here.

So you're an anti vaxer. Cool.

 

[wallumi]

Pray tell how would you suggest they address the co-morbidity casual factors?

In ways they won't because of powerful economic interests. Think about why obesity and Type 2 diabetes are so prevalent? This about things that might systemically reduce the incidence of these social endemic conditions. If authorities really cared about public health they would act in these directions due to the impact of those actual conditions. Covid19 should be the nail in the coffin of a whole range of socially destructive 'norms'.

Clustering the aged into for-profit, cost rationalised enclaves won't stop either.

To put it metaphorically, people are being sold a vaccine on the promise and expectation of resuming their routine heroin habits.

 

[edgie]

If you want it to be effective, yes you do.

If you're worried about keeling over from influenza, suit yourself. You best stay in though cause the vax rates would be a lot lower than would covid ones are.

 

[Del165198]

Enjoy the biscuit crumbs that lead you into an ultimately pointless situation. That you see such strategy as providing you with a comparative vantage point to crow from is telling.

Not really, just a bit of good old fashioned schadenfreude

 

[Del165198]

If you're worried about keeling over from influenza, suit yourself. You best stay in though cause the vax rates would be a lot lower than would covid ones are.

I'm not, for **** sake. I don't usually get a flu jab. I got it once because my mum was sick with cancer and I didn't want to risk infecting her during chemo.

THE POINT WAS that it was being argued that getting covid "booster" jabs was somehow unusual, when I'm fact it's standard practice for the flu and has been for decades.

 

[wallumi]

I think he means that instead of vaccines during a raging pandemic governments immediate find miracle cures for those immunocompromised, a dietary program to help the morbidly obese lose 200kg over the next two years and also reverse their diabetes whilst hiding them away somewhere to avoid the circulating virus whilst immediately building for them and the poor new spacious dwellings, properly ventilated to address overcrowding, oh and fix poverty .
Could work.

So because some will take a while we ignore any progress on all of them?
In fact the aged care horror show could be fixed forth with, but it won't be.

Bear in mind the narrative that we're in this for the long haul, which albeit the same sources mix liberally with the narrative that we'll get through this soon.

Maybe a wake up call that some pretty basic things aren't working well?
Nup. VACCINE!

 

[Del165198]

That's the program. Get a belt you can notch as you go and display in the main street with a proud swagger.

I hear they're going to throw in a free upsize at kfc for the 5th booster shot.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Covid19 IFR is <1%. It is not way above flu as was first being disseminated. The media have not duly distributed an understanding of these more competently assessed numbers. Their ongoing narratives proceed upon the silent foundation of those early horror perceptions.

A lot of those early round deaths were due to poor medical treatments which even now are only slowly being addressed. Oxygenating a person with advanced cellular oxidative sepsis is basically killing them. Also the proper control of at-risk groups remains an important but still under-done target for IFR reduction.

Predilection with vaccination as THE solution is a garbage narrative that is saturating the bandwidth at the expense of many other important responses.

To understand the invasiveness of the vaccine shot you need to understand more about its function and its limits of function in conjunction with the disease pathology. Covid19 is a circulatory disease, not a respiratory disease. Injecting a 'vaccine' into the bloodstream sets up cell/immune response well away from the primary infection sites upon the endothelial tissues along the respiratory tract. In very coarse terms it's a bit like invading Syria to conquer Russia. It certainly has a productive effect, but what could possibly go wrong in the broader scheme of things? Myocarditis for one. This damage can occur at levels not readily noticed within young males but which will lead to early onset heart disease in middle age. Another is the capacity for vaccine mRNA to be damaged by poor handling and then cause blockage on the ribosomes that convey them within cell function. Those 'stuck' ribosomes then have to be discarded and replaced. Some cell types, like nerve cells, are not geared up do this well. This presents another domain for longer-term impact. Ongoing booster shots certainly wouldn't be helpful.

I note again the failure of the vaccine developers to understand (or disclose) the short term lapse in its efficacy. What else aren't they aware of or not disclosing?

Have you pulled the pillow over your ears yet?

I will give you credit for livening up the thread a bit but…
Why are you quoting ‘Spartacus’ verbatim?
Who is he really?
Why is he anonymous?
Anyone can post reams of conflated scientific terminology to attempt to sound impressive and knowledgeable.
What is your profession?
Can you review and critique scientific articles adequately?
Do you ACTUALLY understand what you are writing.
Do you understand epitopes?

You only want to hear what you want to hear.

 

[OneGreatClub]

So because some will take a while we ignore any progress on all of them?
In fact the aged care horror show could be fixed forth with, but it won't be.

Bear in mind the narrative that we're in this for the long haul, which albeit the same sources mix liberally with the narrative that we'll get through this soon.

Maybe a wake up call that some pretty basic things aren't working well?
Nup. VACCINE!

Look we all understand the social and health issues but something had to be done to try to stop the amount of virus spread and deaths now, not in five years time.

 

[wallumi]

So Walluminati isn’t quite as all knowing as he purports to be…shocked

Walluminati can only go on what is pronounced. The spoken announcement was delivered without the delimitations later provided in written form, which I now had the opportunity to see and have alleys noted that to the poster you've replied to. This pretty significant discrepancy was either ineptly clumsy or made for intentional impact. Who knows anymore.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Walluminati can only go on what is pronounced. The spoken announcement was delivered without the delimitations later provided in written form, which I now had the opportunity to see and have alleys noted that to the poster you've replied to. This pretty significant discrepancy was either ineptly clumsy or made for intentional impact. Who knows anymore.

So you are alluding to some conspiracy due to the fact that you didn’t get your ducks in a row before posting?
And you like my nickname for you, cool.
Apologies for the simple wording of a lesser mortal. I hope you can follow my gist.

 

[Del165198]

What 'research', or interpretation of the research do we use, especially when making mandates?
The video linked below is by a doctor who is very clearly not an 'anti-vaxxer'. His outline of the research data concerning vax immunity vs infection immunity very clearly demonstrates the capacity of a primary Government Health agency to make position statements that they flatly proclaim to be based on the 'science', when in fact the best available research very clearly and distinctly says otherwise.



It should not be controversial to observe that all Government agencies are highly politicised and highly influenced by commercial interest. Sadly, it is evident that many academic faculties are similarly affected. This is simply endemic of post-modern, late-stage capitalism. Reality has moved beyond the surreal.

This is where you're farking full of shit.

There are a lot of doctors in the world. A lot of scientists too. When you pick an outsider position against the balance of probabilities when you have 99% of the experts saying the opposite, you're full of shit. The same thing happened with climate change. A few dodgy researches out there and the denialists hone in on those 1% and not the 99%.

Scientists and doctors are for the most part apolitical. The very people that you're advocating we should listen to however are almost exclusively linked to far right trump types. You've decided these people are to be trusted, because you think somehow government, big pharma and the rest have influenced 95% of the globe's health professionals and immunologists.

There's room for a nuanced debate about the efficacy of vaccines and other early intervention treatments, but you've destroyed all your credibility by hitching your wagon to one view. That you accuse other people of not being open minded when you're so dead set against the idea of vaccines being effective is laughable.

 

[wallumi]

I will give you credit for livening up the thread a bit but…
Why are you quoting ‘Spartacus’ verbatim?
Who is he really?
Why is he anonymous?
Anyone can post reams of conflated scientific terminology to attempt to sound impressive and knowledgeable.
What is your profession?
Can you review and critique scientific articles adequately?
Do you ACTUALLY understand what you are writing.
Do you understand epitopes?

You only want to hear what you want to hear.

Have you read the references attached to those descriptions, which are mostly if not all published medical papers? Have you found anything that varies from or debunks that description of pathological events? Or are you simply resonating comfortably familiar thought forms?

I did not post 'reams of conflated scientific terminology'. I posted as short a summary of the relevant conditions as would adequately illustrate the basis of of the reply I posted. Do you want to progress this whole conversation in a completely grunt and bash fashion? Vaccination isn't invasive because the needle isn't 10 foot long. Is that your preferred threshold of understanding? Really?

 

[wallumi]

So you are alluding to some conspiracy due to the fact that you didn’t get your ducks in a row before posting?
And you like my nickname for you, cool.
Apologies for the simple wording of a lesser mortal. I hope you can follow my gist.

I heard exactly what I heard and commented on that basis. Do I intake not trust any Government announcement that's not in writing?

No allusion toward anything. The discrepancy between the two forms of the announcement was either an error or intentional. There is no possible third dimension. Either way it is a grievous event given the import of the matter. Basic logic should not be interpreted as conspiracy allusion unless you've got an agenda or a brain defect.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Have you read the references attached to those descriptions, which are mostly if not all published medical papers? Have you found anything that varies from or debunks that description of pathological events? Or are you simply resonating comfortably familiar thought forms?

I did not post 'reams of conflated scientific terminology'. I posted as short a summary of the relevant conditions as would adequately illustrate the basis of of the reply I posted. Do you want to progress this whole conversation in a completely grunt and bash fashion? Vaccination isn't invasive because the needle isn't 10 foot long. Is that your preferred threshold of understanding? Really?

Wot?

 

[wallumi]

Inoculate the world to save the 200 kilo folks.

Jab kids quarterly forever to protect the nearly already dead people.
(public service announcement proudly sponsored by Maccas)

Apologies for the harsh imagery, but a spade remains in essence a spade regardless that some may demand it be called a leveraged manual remote excavation device.

 

[wallumi]

Wot?

Seriously?
You directly condemn my alleged repetition of medical descriptions published in the Spartacus document and then when I query your understanding of those descriptions and their supporting references you go, 'Wot?"

You seem to be displaying effects consistent with the described post-vaccine neurone damage. Better get that checked.

 

[wallumi]

We have a choice
Woolies for me.

That branding makes a good fit with your thinking.

 

[wallumi]

You sound really scared.

Not especially. Just generally disturbed by the utter shit-show in charge of things.

 

[wallumi]

What are you on about, bozo?
I didn't use it as justification, I responded to a statement that was not entirely correct.

Do you even read anything or do you just get urges to antagonise?

I presumed you were engaged in the point of the matter and not just making peripheral noise. My mistake.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Oh and did you look at his list of links.. a scrambled mess of all the anti vax arguments he could find, some totally unrelated to his article, and conveniently not clickable. In fact I have read and heard of many of those before. The stuff he writes about ventilators was well known last year, it’s not some brilliant hidden insight he alone has. Doctors publicly started questioning the over use of ventilators after the initial phases of ventilating too many and too early likely resulted in extra deaths. As for his other stuff.. he has a theory, that’s all.
Also the fact that the virus causes inflammation and micro clotting is well known by all medicos.
Look some of his stuff might be based in fact but it looks like a bit of fear mongering to me.

Again..Can you explain who he is, his credentials, why does he want to be anonymous?

 

[OneGreatClub]

Not especially. Just generally disturbed by the utter sh*t-show in charge of things.

Look we all know pollies are often corrupt and often incompetent but you have come up with no better suggestions to what they are doing from what I can see.

 

[bomberclifford]

I presumed you were engaged in the point of the matter and not just making peripheral noise. My mistake.

So you clearly don't read anything because I'd already responded to your pedant jibe.

Go hard, trollumi. Go hard.

 

[Lagooner]

Covid19 IFR is <1%. It is not way above flu as was first being disseminated. The media have not duly distributed an understanding of these more competently assessed numbers. Their ongoing narratives proceed upon the silent foundation of those early horror perceptions.

A lot of those early round deaths were due to poor medical treatments which even now are only slowly being addressed. Oxygenating a person with advanced cellular oxidative sepsis is basically killing them. Also the proper control of at-risk groups remains an important but still under-done target for IFR reduction.

Predilection with vaccination as THE solution is a garbage narrative that is saturating the bandwidth at the expense of many other important responses.

To understand the invasiveness of the vaccine shot you need to understand more about its function and its limits of function in conjunction with the disease pathology. Covid19 is a circulatory disease, not a respiratory disease. Injecting a 'vaccine' into the bloodstream sets up cell/immune response well away from the primary infection sites upon the endothelial tissues along the respiratory tract. In very coarse terms it's a bit like invading Syria to conquer Russia. It certainly has a productive effect, but what could possibly go wrong in the broader scheme of things? Myocarditis for one. This damage can occur at levels not readily noticed within young males but which will lead to early onset heart disease in middle age. Another is the capacity for vaccine mRNA to be damaged by poor handling and then cause blockage on the ribosomes that convey them within cell function. Those 'stuck' ribosomes then have to be discarded and replaced. Some cell types, like nerve cells, are not geared up do this well. This presents another domain for longer-term impact. Ongoing booster shots certainly wouldn't be helpful.

I note again the failure of the vaccine developers to understand (or disclose) the short term lapse in its efficacy. What else aren't they aware of or not disclosing?

Have you pulled the pillow over your ears yet?

IFR hey? Fancy! How’s that R number compare though?

Whoopsie.

 

[GoTheMightyCrows]