Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 4.

[wallumi]

So they should. Why would you wait? Do you shop for your flu vaccine ? fu**en brain dead losers. Read the science.

Your response quality doesn't fill me with faith that you're reading the science.

 

[OneGreatClub]

If the vaxed immunity wanes significantly after 6 months (which Israeli studies make very clear it does) what was the point of getting the first two if you do not follow up with a third?

On the basis of this recent spike in vaxed infections, and the need to control it with a 3rd jab, Israeli authorities are preparing for a fourth jab.

People who do not keep up with the data should be more careful about adding their political weight to compulsory medications.

The ‘data’?
You are actually misrepresenting it at this stage.
Israel are NOT saying they WILL need a 4th booster in a few months time.
They don’t know at this time. At this stage the third booster is very effective.
They would just be being proactive as they were with their initial roll out and preparing themselves, getting ahead of the game, in case.
That’s the data.

As for the vaccines, there are still other types in trial and production.
It might turn out that the mRNA ones, and the viral vector ones are helping us over the first hurdles due to the timeliness of their availability but that other vaccine types or treatments will end the pandemic going forward and might not require boosters.
They are also looking carefully at the spacing of initial vaccine doses for improved immunity.

You seem to be panicking unnecessarily about ‘4 boosters a year’ imo as it is not set in stone.
At this stage it is not.

 

[OneGreatClub]

That's like 'US Intelligence sources say...(insert desired social belief here)"

Some prominent immunologists and virologists are saying otherwise. However their observations and concerns do not get blanket media coverage. Therin lies the public

The CDC made a very explicit statement regarding vax immunity vs infection immunity that was at odds with the latest published research on the matter. The CDC claimed to be based on the 'science', however it did not identify the specific science relied upon.

We are less than 2 years into this thing and already promises of resolution are being altered and slipped into shallow graves. A global experiment is being conducted whilst evidently false claims are asserted of it all being under control. Hopefully it will all turn out ok. The US might yet nuke everyone ahead of anything else going bad so maybe there's nothing to worry about.

Now I thought you weren’t into all the conspiratorial stuff.

 

[Lagooner]

Some prominent immunologists and virologists are saying otherwise. However their observations and concerns do not get blanket media coverage. Therin lies the public

The CDC made a very explicit statement regarding vax immunity vs infection immunity that was at odds with the latest published research on the matter. The CDC claimed to be based on the 'science', however it did not identify the specific science relied upon.

We are less than 2 years into this thing and already promises of resolution are being altered and slipped into shallow graves. A global experiment is being conducted whilst evidently false claims are asserted of it all being under control. Hopefully it will all turn out ok. The US might yet nuke everyone ahead of anything else going bad so maybe there's nothing to worry about.

Wait up that's like 'US Intelligence sources say...(insert desired social belief here) etc.

 

[wallumi]

Flu shots are mandatory for many industries.

You don't have to be a pin cussion but you also don't have a right to make others Ill with your choice either

Keep up with the data if you want to be taken seriously. The vaccines' capacity to prevent infection and prevent transmission wanes in the short term. That's why the booster shot regime is beginning. So to have any capacity to 'not make others ill', then you will need to become a pin cushion.

And we have no idea on the future curve of that dose-on-dose efficacy or its physiological impact. What if it gets shorter and shorter, and/or more harmful? It's a crap shoot from here on in.

The lack of foresight toward this waning vaccine efficacy indicates how little is precisely understood about the shots function upon cellular/immune response patterns. Or if this waning effect was known, it was covered up.

You seem well qualified as a crash test dummy. Enjoy the ride.

 

[bomberclifford]

So you're representing pedant's corner rather than attending to the actual point of the discussion?

The point being that there are already circumstances that certain vaccines are mandated to be employed in certain roles. We're not entering some 'new world order' by having a covid vax mandated for some industries/sectors.

 

[edgie]

You have to get a flu jab every year...

You really don't

 

[wallumi]

Yes as were smallpox vaccines to travel, and not a whimper of complaint.

Again, completely different scales and foci of application.

 

[edgie]

Flu jabs aren't mrna vaccines with absolutely zero data as to long term health effects. Flu jabs don't cause side effects like inflammation of the heart tissue.

They also aren't required for a person to be employed or just generally exist in society.

A couple of small details.

ITS THE EXACT SAME YOU MAGA NUFFIE

 

[edgie]

They are for some.

An estimated 75% of the workforce, as per WA's estimations for it's policy?

No? Maybe half of that?

Or even less?

 

[pastmyprimus]

That's like 'US Intelligence sources say...(insert desired social belief here)"

Some prominent immunologists and virologists are saying otherwise. However their observations and concerns do not get blanket media coverage. Therin lies the public

The CDC made a very explicit statement regarding vax immunity vs infection immunity that was at odds with the latest published research on the matter. The CDC claimed to be based on the 'science', however it did not identify the specific science relied upon.

We are less than 2 years into this thing and already promises of resolution are being altered and slipped into shallow graves. A global experiment is being conducted whilst evidently false claims are asserted of it all being under control. Hopefully it will all turn out ok. The US might yet nuke everyone ahead of anything else going bad so maybe there's nothing to worry about.

According to this study the US vaccine program saved some 279,000 lives and prevented 1.25 million hospitalisations. The vaccines are doing their job living up to the initial expectations following the CDC's authorisation for emergency use. An impressive result for a "global experiment".

U.S. vaccination campaign prevented up to 279,000 COVID-19 deaths

These gains, however, could be swiftly reversed by the Delta variant, which has the potential to unleash a surge of new cases among people who are unvaccinated.

news.yale.edu

 

[wallumi]

Sounds like good reason to get a third shot.

That's the program. Get a belt you can notch as you go and display in the main street with a proud swagger.

 

[edgie]

Potentual long covid after catching the disease once vs. potential side effects + unknown consequences of taking a newly developed drug every 6 months. Oh goodee, sign me up.

Option 3
Don't catch covid?

It's not that hard, unless you mental health has suffered and you simply have to be out and about in close proximity with other people all over the world all the time.

 

[wallumi]

Have fun enjoying the restrictions on your personal freedoms while the rest of us are out having fun

Although from reading your posts I doubt you get out much.

Enjoy the biscuit crumbs that lead you into an ultimately pointless situation. That you see such strategy as providing you with a comparative vantage point to crow from is telling.

 

[wallumi]

You have to get a flu vaccination in the sense that it only lasts 12 months, not that you are forced into it. Boring semantics.

Out of interest what is your stance on the common childhood vaccines?

Pretty crucial semantics given the topic being discussed. Without clarification your comment was at least ambiguous if not misleading.

 

[wallumi]

You have to get a flu vaccination in the sense that it only lasts 12 months, not that you are forced into it. Boring semantics.

Out of interest what is your stance on the common childhood vaccines?

The issue of childhood vaccines is not directly relevant and is too large a spread of topic to unpack here.

 

[wallumi]

You might be interested in this which is related: Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia

I'll advance the John Cleese maxim that "the problem with really stupid people is that they are too f**king stupid to be able to understand just how stupid they are". Moo!

 

[dav3]

I'll advance the John Cleese maxim that "the problem with really stupid people is that they are too f**king stupid to be able to understand just how stupid they are". Moo!

Says the guy quoting "Spartacus"

 

[Harlott]

You're right. I just checked the statement in its written form. However the verbal announcement of it was not so clearly delimited. This 'overstatement' was a complete announcement and not due to news editing. Was this clumsy, an action intended to gauge a reaction, a massaging technique?

Whichever, it illustrates an essential problem within the social warfare strategy that is being crudely and conveniently implemented. Social and political trust is being destroyed. A lot of this has nothing to do with 'conspiracy'. It stems directly from the generally dismal quality of our elected 'leaders'.

Did you get your information from your reliable non mainstream media sources or did you only hear what you wanted to hear in this instance?

For such a wordsmith you seem to lack in other areas. What I do like is how much your ability to try and sound super intelligent seems to seduce the usual suspects judging by who's liking your posts.

 

[Del165198]

You really don't

If you want it to be effective, yes you do.

 

[PAFC66]

Pretty crucial semantics given the topic being discussed. Without clarification your comment was at least ambiguous if not misleading.

You sound like a tangential robot. You actually make zero sense. Well played

 

[PAFC66]

Enjoy the biscuit crumbs that lead you into an ultimately pointless situation. That you see such strategy as providing you with a comparative vantage point to crow from is telling.

What are you on about you space cadet? Your word salad isn't fooling anyone ?

 

[EskimoPAFC]

I'll advance the John Cleese maxim that "the problem with really stupid people is that they are too f**king stupid to be able to understand just how stupid they are". Moo!

Its true.

I think the clearest example I've ever had of this was when I was first applying for office jobs back in my early 20s and they asked you to self-rate your Excel ability. I would always say Expert because I knew what Excel was.

Now I've been using Excel in my current role for the past 4 years and constantly use a bunch of stuff in it I'd never even heard of back then, yet if I was to self-rate now I'd put myself somewhere between Beginner and Average.

 

[wallumi]

Jesus. For the zillionth time since March 2020, covid poses a bigger threat than the flu ergo the management is different. It’s one thing to use big words like “comparative context” but another to actually understand what they mean.

Highly invasive? Seriously what are you on about? You don’t have to get vaxxed with a 10 inch needle up your arse ffs. It is in no way any more invasive than the flu shot or any other vaccination for that matter.

Stop talking garbage.

Covid19 IFR is <1%. It is not way above flu as was first being disseminated. The media have not duly distributed an understanding of these more competently assessed numbers. Their ongoing narratives proceed upon the silent foundation of those early horror perceptions.

A lot of those early round deaths were due to poor medical treatments which even now are only slowly being addressed. Oxygenating a person with advanced cellular oxidative sepsis is basically killing them. Also the proper control of at-risk groups remains an important but still under-done target for IFR reduction.

Predilection with vaccination as THE solution is a garbage narrative that is saturating the bandwidth at the expense of many other important responses.

To understand the invasiveness of the vaccine shot you need to understand more about its function and its limits of function in conjunction with the disease pathology. Covid19 is a circulatory disease, not a respiratory disease. Injecting a 'vaccine' into the bloodstream sets up cell/immune response well away from the primary infection sites upon the endothelial tissues along the respiratory tract. In very coarse terms it's a bit like invading Syria to conquer Russia. It certainly has a productive effect, but what could possibly go wrong in the broader scheme of things? Myocarditis for one. This damage can occur at levels not readily noticed within young males but which will lead to early onset heart disease in middle age. Another is the capacity for vaccine mRNA to be damaged by poor handling and then cause blockage on the ribosomes that convey them within cell function. Those 'stuck' ribosomes then have to be discarded and replaced. Some cell types, like nerve cells, are not geared up do this well. This presents another domain for longer-term impact. Ongoing booster shots certainly wouldn't be helpful.

I note again the failure of the vaccine developers to understand (or disclose) the short term lapse in its efficacy. What else aren't they aware of or not disclosing?

Have you pulled the pillow over your ears yet?

 

[bomberclifford]

You don’t?? sh*t, I fell for the old 10 inch needle up the backside trick again!!

What, did you say 'needle'?

I think my doctor has deceived me.