News Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread IV

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Nurses and doctors and healthcare will be smashed. Yet those man babies want their tea rooms.

Working class solidarity isn’t throwing a tantrum. It’s about getting the vaccine to not endanger your colleagues.

 

[Smoocher]

Oh pull your ******* head in. There are literal Nazis organising this protest.

Get the vaccine.

If not, stay home. There’s a safety net.

The optimist. Thinks we are on day 2 of a short sharp 7 day lockdown.

Thinks that lockdowns will end at 80%.

Calling it now that regardless of your vaccination status you will not be getting out of Melbourne for Xmas holidays.

Regional will be shut to everyone in Melbourne.


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[7577969923]

How can people still think QAnon is real when it’s been exposed as a fraud (as if it needed to be). Q was just some dork in a basement. There’s a documentary about it called “Q: into the storm”. The whole thing is just a troll.

That's just what they want you to think!

 

[Val Keating]

WOW.

Qld govt just announced regardless of hitting vax targets there borders will remain closed.

I’m calling it now. Footy hubs will be needed next year from round 1.

I can’t see players association agreeing to this as the impost on family will be too great for 3 years in a row.

Could be the first time an AFL season isn’t completed.

The problem with our overly compliant society is that our government will Continue to take advantage of us and impose stricter and harsher rules.

At how many days in lockdown (300,350,400,500) even with 80% vaccination will people still be happy with lockdowns and closed borders?
There’s a few in this thread that would be happy to hide under their doona the rest of their lives.


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If we’re still having hubs, boarder closures etc once we’ve reached 80% and have enough vaccines that not being vaccinated is just a personal choice I’ll really start to wonder wtf is going on.

 

[blackshadow]

anting them to be second class citizens and pariahs in their own country.

I don't want them to be pariahs I want them to be vaccinated.

The reality is though that choosing not to vaccinate will mean they are choosing to be pariahs. There will be restrictions on gatherings, entry to venues etc that exclude those who aren't vaccinated.

 

[Val Keating]

That's just what they want you to think!

 

[Swallow_Wood]

If we’re still having hubs, boarder closures etc once we’ve reached 80% and have enough vaccines that not being vaccinated is just a personal choice I’ll really start to wonder wtf is going on.

Yeah, I would like to think that the states are capable of strengthening the health services sufficiently to manage an increase in less severe cases. Hospitalisations will increase but statistically you would think that the pressure on ICU will not.

With that being said, lets see what the figures are like through December to February. If serious case figures are low then we need to not be risk averse. If high then we may need to modify behaviours to protect the system.

 

[giantroo]

 

[blackshadow]

The hundreds of millions of people who have acquired natural immunity already are done with covid. Right now, done. Can move on...if their governments allowed them to!

Why is it when I read this post that all I see in my mind is


Or perhaps that's a DesertRoo...

 

[Smoocher]

I don't want them to be pariahs I want them to be vaccinated.

The reality is though that choosing not to vaccinate will mean they are choosing to be pariahs. There will be restrictions on gatherings, entry to venues etc that exclude those who aren't vaccinated.

That’s why I’m interested to know at how many days will people finally say enough is enough.

Many people have reached their limit.

But will it take us to get to 350 or 400 days when people actually start making some noise.


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[Smoocher]

Yeah, I would like to think that the states are capable of strengthening the health services sufficiently to manage an increase in less severe cases. Hospitalisations will increase but statistically you would think that the pressure on ICU will not.

With that being said, lets see what the figures are like through December to February. If serious case figures are low then we need to not be risk averse. If high then we may need to modify behaviours to protect the system.

Doubt this will happen.
Victoria govt promised us 4000 icu beds at 1.3 billion cost.

Only 400 delivered after one year.

Can’t recall or can’t remember denies making this promise so I wouldn’t rely on our govt to help us out of this mess.

They are now doubling down to try not make themselves look corrupt.


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[7577969923]

Doubt this will happen.
Victoria govt promised us 4000 icu beds at 1.3 billion cost.

Only 400 delivered after one year.

Can’t recall or can’t remember denies making this promise so I wouldn’t rely on our govt to help us out of this mess.

They are now doubling down to try not make themselves look corrupt.


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He is a lying campaigner!

'Unprecedented' ICU expansion in Victoria dwarfs national capacity

The Victorian government will pump an extra $1.3 billion into the state's health system, after the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases rose by 51 overnight, to 968.

www.theage.com.au

 

[blackshadow]

the big problem with the jab polici from a publicans point of view (a mate) is that the onus ison him to make sure all staff are double jabbed and also patrons, of that’s the case then govt has obligation to make process as quick and easy as possible, you don’t want a situation where publicans could be fined for having the unvaxxed in their venues ☹

I think I know the publican you mean...

In reality though publicans already need to ensure people are over 18, many licensed premises check IDs at the door, when checking ID can just as easily check for vaccination - it's very easy to download from mygov and store on your phone.

I'm sure that it won't be too difficult for the mygov vaccine certification to be part of the checks for Covid checkins that are at all businesses now so this could conceivably be easier for checks than the current system for checking that patrons are over 18.

 

[giantroo]

Still some mixed messaging

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Covid sufferers caught in vax gap

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au

• 8:51AM September 20, 2021

Australians who have had coronavirus are receiving conflicting advice about whether to wait six months before getting vaccinated, prompting concern from some that following ATAGI advice will see them barred from activities that are only open to the fully vaccinated.

Glenn Whittenbury, 58, lives in Melbourne’s eastern suburbs with his 54-year-old wife, 17-year-old son and 12-year-old daughter.
The entire family had Covid in late July and early August, with his daughter the last to be declared to have recovered on August 10

Their cases varied from extremely mild illness in Mr Whittenbury’s daughter, to a week of cold and flu like symptoms for his son and two and five nights’ hospitalisation respectively for his wife and for him.

Both Mr Whittenbury and his wife were booked in for their vaccinations when the family were declared primary close contacts and forced to isolate in late July.

Having had a series of tests to ensure they were cleared of Covid, they were then advised by their GP to wait six months before getting immunised.

The Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation currently advises that: “Past infection with SARS-CoV-2 is not a contraindication to vaccination; however, it is recommended that vaccination be deferred for up to six months after the acute illness in those who have had PCR-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection. Evidence suggests that past infection reduces the risk of reinfection for at least 6 months.”

In contrast, the Victorian vaccination guidelines currently advise that people “should be vaccinated once their Covid-19 acute illness has resolved, and they have been cleared from isolation”.

On Friday, Covid logistics chief Jeroen Weimar suggested people whose GPs recommended waiting six months should “find a different GP”.

Federal government vaccination certificates are only available to people who have had both doses, so former Covid patients with high immunity face being barred from activities closed to the unvaccinated.

Mr Whittenbury said the situation was confusing and frustrating.

“We really want to get vaccinated if its safe,” he said.

“I just want someone to tell me it’s safe to get vaccinated, or if it’s not, here’s this piece of paper that says you’ve got enough antibodies to go out until the six months is up.”

ATAGI co-chair and former Victorian deputy chief health officer Allen Cheng tweeted late last week that the ATAGI advice was “being reviewed now and may be updated soon”.

Numerous GPs have expressed frustration about the lack of clarity on social media.

Dr Paula Leach, who works as a GP in Melbourne’s northern suburbs, said it was “difficult to find clear advice about how long to wait.”
“I’ve seen ‘few weeks’ to 6 months. And I’ve also seen ‘ask your GP’!” Dr Leach tweeted.

“I guess what I need to know is — if I give a patient a letter confirming they have recovered from Covid-19 infection, does that put them in the category of a vaccinated person for work requirements and socialising?”

A federal health department spokesman indicated those who had immunity as a result of a recent Covid infection could not currently access certification giving them access to activities only open to vaccinated people.

“Currently, individuals are only able to access a Covid-19 Digital Certificate after they have received all required doses of a vaccine as approved for use in Australia,” the spokesman said.

“The Australian Immunisation Register (AIR) system rules for determining an individual’s Covid-19 vaccination status are based on the ... (ATAGI) clinical guidance on use of Covid-19 vaccines in Australia 2021.”

 

[Forever North]

This is how I see the it playing out the next 12 months.
We will be the most lockdowned state in the world, will be well over 80% double vaxxed, will still be living with the real threat of lowdowns as a first resort, will still be living with some of the more mindless bureaucratic rules and restrictions imposed anywhere, Dan will still blame everyone and everything but himself and will still have people out there applauding this.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Angry right wing white guys yelling at their phones in a car is the funniest genre.

 

[Go_Roos!]

This is how I see the it playing out the next 12 months.
We will be the most lockdowned state in the world, will be well over 80% double vaxxed, will still be living with the real threat of lowdowns as a first resort, will still be living with some of the more mindless bureaucratic rules and restrictions imposed anywhere, Dan will still blame everyone and everything but himself and will still have people out there applauding this.

If the hospitals become overwhelmed with covid 19 patients, what do you think should happen, lockdown and try and slow down the cases, or just stack them up on the footpaths outside the hospitals? Very hard job that all our leaders have.

 

[Shinboner1]

WOW.

Qld govt just announced regardless of hitting vax targets there borders will remain closed.

I’m calling it now. Footy hubs will be needed next year from round 1.

I can’t see players association agreeing to this as the impost on family will be too great for 3 years in a row.

Could be the first time an AFL season isn’t completed.

The problem with our overly compliant society is that our government will Continue to take advantage of us and impose stricter and harsher rules.

At how many days in lockdown (300,350,400,500) even with 80% vaccination will people still be happy with lockdowns and closed borders?
There’s a few in this thread that would be happy to hide under their doona the rest of their lives.


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I dont see it lasting tbh.
QLD stayed open for majority of NSW outbreak even with the risks involved.
I'd be more worried about WA not opening up.

 

[Go_Roos!]

Angry right wing white guys yelling at their phones in a car is the funniest genre.

haha . . . by the way , does anyone know of a reasonably priced denture clinic?

 

[Themanbun]

This is how I see the it playing out the next 12 months.
We will be the most lockdowned state in the world, will be well over 80% double vaxxed, will still be living with the real threat of lowdowns as a first resort, will still be living with some of the more mindless bureaucratic rules and restrictions imposed anywhere, Dan will still blame everyone and everything but himself and will still have people out there applauding this.

As a side note I feel that 80% of adults was always a target that was going to lead to disappointment.

Was reading earlier that we had a severe polio outbreak in 1961-62 when we had 74% of the entire population (including children).

 

[Gasometer]

I dont see it lasting tbh.
QLD stayed open for majority of NSW outbreak even with the risks involved.
I'd be more worried about WA not opening up.

A year without those two crap football songs?
Can live with that.

 

[Val Keating]

Yeah, I would like to think that the states are capable of strengthening the health services sufficiently to manage an increase in less severe cases. Hospitalisations will increase but statistically you would think that the pressure on ICU will not.

With that being said, lets see what the figures are like through December to February. If serious case figures are low then we need to not be risk averse. If high then we may need to modify behaviours to protect the system.

If the worst part happens and the serious case numbers are up with a vaccination percentage of 70+ then we have a real problem and have been sold a pup.

Israel is always pointed to because of their high percentage of vaxxed people but also high case numbers. Any idea what the situation is with the serious cases over there?

 

[Val Keating]

I dont see it lasting tbh.
QLD stayed open for majority of NSW outbreak even with the risks involved.
I'd be more worried about WA not opening up.

Don’t they rely heavily on tourism?

 

[Shinboner1]

Angry right wing white guys yelling at their phones in a car is the funniest genre.

Andrews is a coward so he's trying to shut down the protests?
I dont see the connection between the two things.

 

[Shinboner1]

Don’t they rely heavily on tourism?

Western australia?
I think there's some but they've been almost self reliant in the last 2 years with most eastern states under lockdown.
QLD relies a lot on tourism.